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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 13, 2020 12:42:16 GMT -5
They've f***ed it up, but when they f*** things up, they've made an effort to fix it. I think we should give them a month or two to course correct and see who else they bring in, even temporarily. I actually don't want to see them overload on talent because there will be a time when Baker, Statlander, Hayter and others come back.
I think they have a larger talent utilization problem at times. The women's division is a symptom of a larger challenge, IMO. When your secondary show is 9 matches long, I don't know...
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 13, 2020 12:59:24 GMT -5
As brought up before, this would be a nice way to assuage some fears: EDIT: And Cody has an early response... I saw the eyes emoji from him and thought Priscilla Kelly was finally getting signed, but that didn't happen. However, her divorce from Darby Allin may have put that on hold for a while anyway.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 13, 2020 13:01:51 GMT -5
Yeah, Cody has made these kinds of tweets toward Kelly and LuFisto so far. It would be great if that materializes into something, but after two months of token three minute segments and squashes, it's at a point where only genuine change can foster optimism.
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Post by holyshida on Aug 13, 2020 13:36:19 GMT -5
I'd be completely on board with Shida/Thunder Rosa at All Out. That match would kick ass.
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Post by darbus alan on Aug 13, 2020 14:21:07 GMT -5
They really do. While a part of me thinking the tournament is the reason, but its been going on for a while, the they get one short mid 00s levels Divas match. They deserve better than that. If Omega is the brainchild behind this divison, he's failing. I get the pandamnic as limited some of women's wrestlers from being her but that shouldn't stop from having someone have a long good match with Shida. OMEGA NEVER WAS THE BRAINCHILD OF THE DIVISION.Sorry,not lashing at you but people keep saying this stupid rumour. At the start of AEW he said he was in charge of MATCH PRODUCTION and of course dealing with the relation with TJPW(with Nakazawa) for the Joshi talent ,he simply helped with the matches. All of the division are in the end a group effort as Cody has again confirmed recently. Its not Brandi's fault,or Kenny's,its all of them together as a group. Brandi isn't involved with booking the division at all. She's said that multiple times. I think at most she scouted talent along with Leva Bates, but she didn't sign anyone and isn't even part of the group booking.
Tony Khan has the final say in all booking decisions so he ultimately bears that responsibility.
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Post by markymark on Aug 13, 2020 16:45:19 GMT -5
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 13, 2020 16:49:49 GMT -5
"Brandi reached out" does not mean "Brandi booked this" or "Brandi arranged contracts".
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 13, 2020 16:52:45 GMT -5
Eh, it was striking while the iron was hot with #GiveNaoimiAChance. They grabbed someone Naomi-adjacent, and it seemed to draw a little interest - not bad for a non-committal spot, much as I was skeptical of the choice ahead of time.
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Post by jimmyjames on Aug 14, 2020 3:39:17 GMT -5
If they give Heather Monroe a more extended look, that's at least something. But man, she is good enough to have gotten a full match instead of getting jobber'ed. EDIT: Like seriously, she came all the way out from California for that? This was not a QT student or local wrestler thing. I agree with you but I also wonder if Heather took this to actually work and get paid as well as to perform in actual matches. California banned all combat sports the last week of March (although I think they're slowly starting again). On her instagram she had a post were she said she missed beating people up. I wished she had done more, but a chance to work, get paid, get more exposure and connections isn't bad, especially in these times.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Aug 15, 2020 7:57:58 GMT -5
I am not going through the whole thread so forgive me if it has been brought up but it seems the poor AEW womens division comes down to them not having a proper developmental system.
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Post by moxfan1 on Aug 15, 2020 8:16:30 GMT -5
Updated: 8/5 - Swole v Reba (less than 2 minutes) 8/12 - Shida match (2 minutes) I actually think on average the Divas division circa late 2000s got more time than this. Oh good lord. Seeing it laid out like that. Eesh. When you got 4 healthy woman signed who are ready for tv in Nyla, Shida, Penelope Ford and Big Swole. It limits what you can do. So cause them to have a lot of squash matches. Since you don't want dame girls wrestling each other every week. While you don't want to job out girls too much that they might sign. People would be more upset if Shida or Nyla had 10-12 minute matches with Allie or Brandi. The issue is just not having enough talent in US to use right now. That's not going to change anytime soon. So they need to cut some of those woman and sign a few others. Pre pandemic the woman's match of the show usually got 10 plus minutes and they would have other Britt Baker segments etc.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 15, 2020 8:17:05 GMT -5
I am not going through the whole thread so forgive me if it has been brought up but it seems the poor AEW womens division comes down to them not having a proper developmental system. No? There were plenty of experienced workers that became available in the last year and a half that they just failed to sign.
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Post by moxfan1 on Aug 15, 2020 8:24:22 GMT -5
I am not going through the whole thread so forgive me if it has been brought up but it seems the poor AEW womens division comes down to them not having a proper developmental system. No? There were plenty of experienced workers that became available in the last year and a half that they just failed to sign. I guess you can't predict pandemics. But situation they are in now. Is due to signing too many international talent that Omega wanted. Or people like Kong who Brandi wanted who's beat up and washed up or poor worker in Allie. Tony Khan needs to step up now and take over and bring in new talent to fix the division. Which I think he's in the process of doing. But we won't see anything really change to after All Out. Because obviously if they had Riho, Shanna, Bea Priestley and others with healthy Statlander and Baker. Well they wouldn't be doing these short Dynamite matches and segments. Given their situation there's no reason why they didn't sign Deonna Purrazzo when she came available. I guess there is some heat there but they should have tried to work it out given issues with the division.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 15, 2020 11:09:06 GMT -5
I am not going through the whole thread so forgive me if it has been brought up but it seems the poor AEW womens division comes down to them not having a proper developmental system. Guess on my part: the original plan was "lean on international talent early/use joshi wrestling to distinguish ourselves from WWE, sign less experienced women and train them up at the schools and indies we're associated with and give them spots on Dark and other shows until they're ready for Dynamite", obviously mixing that up with a few established domestic women, as well. Needless to say, the original plan went out the window, and the current tag tournament is likely at least in part being done to change course while travel remains an issue.
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Post by Shark on Aug 15, 2020 19:52:41 GMT -5
No? There were plenty of experienced workers that became available in the last year and a half that they just failed to sign. I guess you can't predict pandemics. But situation they are in now. Is due to signing too many international talent that Omega wanted. Or people like Kong who Brandi wanted who's beat up and washed up or poor worker in Allie. Tony Khan needs to step up now and take over and bring in new talent to fix the division. Which I think he's in the process of doing. But we won't see anything really change to after All Out. Because obviously if they had Riho, Shanna, Bea Priestley and others with healthy Statlander and Baker. Well they wouldn't be doing these short Dynamite matches and segments. Given their situation there's no reason why they didn't sign Deonna Purrazzo when she came available. I guess there is some heat there but they should have tried to work it out given issues with the division. I really don't know if Tony Khan is really a proper authority on evaluating talent and deciding who is best to fit in for the roster or gauging who will connect with audiences. What I think AEW really should have enforced on their international talent is getting them to make AEW their priority. I get wanting to give your talent freedom, but most of all, you need to take care of yourself. I think they should have gotten those international talents, where possible, to relocate to the US at the end of last year/beginning of this year so that AEW is their top priority. I'm not talking limiting where they work, but I mean putting your foot down and saying that if they want to work for you and be a top draw for your division, then it's time to relocate and work for us. I'm not even saying this with hindsight of the pandemic. This should have really been something they thought about a year ago when they began running shows.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 15, 2020 20:18:32 GMT -5
I am not going through the whole thread so forgive me if it has been brought up but it seems the poor AEW womens division comes down to them not having a proper developmental system. The company has been alive for just over a year. How do you exactly have a proper developmental system in that span? That being said, with the help of QT and their own upcoming school, they seem to be focusing on training quite a few girls up. Skyler Moore, Dani Jordan, Anna Jay, and Kenzie Paige are just a few girls who I believe they are focusing on developing for the future. Kenzie literally just turned 18. On top of that Abadon who is already getting pushed and is definitely character ready for TV, is only a year and a half into wrestling. If AEW has done something right with the girls, it's stockpiling and developing for the future, they have a ton of youth. They have a lot of girls who can turn into gold. The problem they've obviously had thanks to injuries and travel is the here and now, and hopefully they are making strides soon to fix it. Conti, Ellering, Chanel, Diamante, Ivelisse, Savoy? If they sign those girls, they could solve this problem pretty quickly.
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Post by moxfan1 on Aug 16, 2020 12:10:38 GMT -5
I guess you can't predict pandemics. But situation they are in now. Is due to signing too many international talent that Omega wanted. Or people like Kong who Brandi wanted who's beat up and washed up or poor worker in Allie. Tony Khan needs to step up now and take over and bring in new talent to fix the division. Which I think he's in the process of doing. But we won't see anything really change to after All Out. Because obviously if they had Riho, Shanna, Bea Priestley and others with healthy Statlander and Baker. Well they wouldn't be doing these short Dynamite matches and segments. Given their situation there's no reason why they didn't sign Deonna Purrazzo when she came available. I guess there is some heat there but they should have tried to work it out given issues with the division. I really don't know if Tony Khan is really a proper authority on evaluating talent and deciding who is best to fit in for the roster or gauging who will connect with audiences. What I think AEW really should have enforced on their international talent is getting them to make AEW their priority. I get wanting to give your talent freedom, but most of all, you need to take care of yourself. I think they should have gotten those international talents, where possible, to relocate to the US at the end of last year/beginning of this year so that AEW is their top priority. I'm not talking limiting where they work, but I mean putting your foot down and saying that if they want to work for you and be a top draw for your division, then it's time to relocate and work for us. I'm not even saying this with hindsight of the pandemic. This should have really been something they thought about a year ago when they began running shows. Guys like Brian Cage and Lance Archer were Tony Khan signings. Cody Rhodes has even went on record saying they were two guys he didn't want but surprised him. At end of the day he's the boss so he's gonna pick who they sign or don't sign. I get what your saying but there's nothing wrong with doing what they were doing. Wrestling company shouldn't decided where people want to live. While these wrestlers knew availability would likely impact how they were pushed. Outside of Pac none of the talent living outside the country needed to be on the show every week.
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Post by darbus alan on Aug 16, 2020 13:28:00 GMT -5
I do kinda wonder how PAC ended up in the UK at the time. He was a regular on AEW so I figure he'd have a residence in the US, at least. Maybe it was just bad timing.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 16, 2020 13:30:15 GMT -5
I do kinda wonder how PAC ended up in the UK at the time. He was a regular on AEW so I figure he'd have a residence in the US, at least. Maybe it was just bad timing. I thought he was injured at the time? Which would make sense to go back to the publically funded NHS then take the risk with the American health service.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 16, 2020 16:33:55 GMT -5
I do kinda wonder how PAC ended up in the UK at the time. He was a regular on AEW so I figure he'd have a residence in the US, at least. Maybe it was just bad timing. I thought he was injured at the time? Which would make sense to go back to the publically funded NHS then take the risk with the American health service. PAC moved back to the UK when his WWE run imploded. He does not have a US residence AFAIK. He was taking international flights to Dynamite every week, so it would have been impossible for him to remain in the US when the borders closed.
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