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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 10, 2021 15:10:33 GMT -5
I sort of don't mind it being mostly YT exclusive because it depends on where it's filmed. Like, if it was filmed in a separate area and not, say, a DDT crowd or something, I can get why putting that on Dynamite might put off the regular viewer.
Like, none of this has been easy to set up and it doesn't solve all the problems with the women's division but with something like this, you at least set up a few people you can bring in for shows when it's safe to do that and expose people to a different kind of wrestling.
Also, the card feels STACKED. I don't see a weak pairing on the American side and I'm excited to see some of the people on the Japan side I've only heard or seen in GIFs.
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Post by toodarkmark on Feb 10, 2021 15:20:43 GMT -5
I feel like Rosa and Baker cost each other victories, and Tay Conti makes it to the finals, but then again she could lose to Rose in the first round, in a re-match. This may be a Rose push. It very well could be Riho as well, lot's of ways it can go.
On the Japanese side I can't see Yuka Sakazaki losing to anyone, but maybe. Itoh losing to Sakazaki in the Japanese finale is just such a good match.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Feb 10, 2021 15:25:16 GMT -5
I’m surprised so many here aren’t picking Maki to win the Japanese side. AEW would be dumb not to capitalize on her popularity and following.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 15:27:58 GMT -5
Huh, you could argue everybody on the top half of the bracket our faces, and everybody the the bottom bracket are heels for the US side. Kind of funny how it ended up being drawn that way. I’m fine with the Japan side being a YouTube exclusive. Lot of “unknowns” and if it’s happening in an empty arena it’ll be tough to plan on Dynamite.
As for predictions, the easiest storyline final is Yuka/Britt. But I have a weird feeling it will be Tay vs Yuka, with Tay wining (possibly due to Britt interference). I feel like Tay has been on fire, and had a great “arrival” match against Deeb. She’s earned a real shot at Shida
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Post by toodarkmark on Feb 10, 2021 15:34:42 GMT -5
I’m surprised so many here aren’t picking Maki to win the Japanese side. AEW would be dumb not to capitalize on her popularity and following. In watching her matches, a short documentary, and reading about her, winning isn't her "thing". She's meant to lose, it's part of her gimmick. She's somebody who loses, loses, loses, then wins. If she won her first time out, which she might go to the finals, it would go against the spirit of her gimmick.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Feb 10, 2021 15:36:48 GMT -5
I’m surprised so many here aren’t picking Maki to win the Japanese side. AEW would be dumb not to capitalize on her popularity and following. In watching her matches, a short documentary, and reading about her, winning isn't her "thing". She's meant to lose, it's part of her gimmick. She's somebody who loses, loses, loses, then wins. If she won her first time out, which she might go to the finals, it would go against the spirit of her gimmick. She obviously wants to work for AEW, what would be the plausible explanation if they sign her if she just loses all the time?
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Post by markymark on Feb 10, 2021 15:38:49 GMT -5
Sounds like confirmation that the Japan side is Youtube-only, the US side is Dynamite, but like, weirdly not actually stated in those terms. Interesting that Mei Suruga was singled out by Schivaone. She has probably the most clear path to a climactic bracket win - beating Yuka and Emi to establish her to the AEW fanbase, then beating a powerhouse like Ryo or Aja in the tournament finals. That gives her a solid base of having beaten names established in AEW. I'm also wondering now if the real purpose of the Deadly Draw was just to test what numbers they would get with an unannounced women's card, as a baseline for what numbers they would get with a tournament filled with wrestlers who haven't been introduced to the AEW audience yet. Deadly Draw felt like they did a women tourney for the sake of doing it since they didnt bother bringing up competent indy talent outside of Sicarias,Tay and maybe Savoy and Ellering, and the winners got put into nothing feuds.
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 10, 2021 15:41:28 GMT -5
In watching her matches, a short documentary, and reading about her, winning isn't her "thing". She's meant to lose, it's part of her gimmick. She's somebody who loses, loses, loses, then wins. If she won her first time out, which she might go to the finals, it would go against the spirit of her gimmick. She obviously wants to work for AEW, what would be the plausible explanation if they sign her if she just loses all the time? They've signed a lot of people who lose a lot but look impressive in defeat. Hell, they were able to turn Cutler vs. Avalon into a compelling feud on Dark over who would get their first win. If she's popular with the fans and gets a lot of buzz from people in the company, W-L record be damned.
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Post by toodarkmark on Feb 10, 2021 15:42:40 GMT -5
In watching her matches, a short documentary, and reading about her, winning isn't her "thing". She's meant to lose, it's part of her gimmick. She's somebody who loses, loses, loses, then wins. If she won her first time out, which she might go to the finals, it would go against the spirit of her gimmick. She obviously wants to work for AEW, what would be the plausible explanation if they sign her if she just loses all the time? What do you mean? She's not a jobber, she just has a nuanced gimmick that involves her losing a lot in life, outside the ring as well, including her career as an idol. You asked why people weren't picking her, and I explained that her gimmick isn't about winning, it's about losing until she wins, building on her losses. That could be a reason why even though she though she is popular, she's not being picked. She will most likely work for AEW in the future.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Feb 10, 2021 15:46:50 GMT -5
Sounds like confirmation that the Japan side is Youtube-only, the US side is Dynamite, but like, weirdly not actually stated in those terms. Interesting that Mei Suruga was singled out by Schivaone. She has probably the most clear path to a climactic bracket win - beating Yuka and Emi to establish her to the AEW fanbase, then beating a powerhouse like Ryo or Aja in the tournament finals. That gives her a solid base of having beaten names established in AEW. I'm also wondering now if the real purpose of the Deadly Draw was just to test what numbers they would get with an unannounced women's card, as a baseline for what numbers they would get with a tournament filled with wrestlers who haven't been introduced to the AEW audience yet. Mei is one of the most fun and innovative wrestlers around in terms of ring awareness. I'd love to see her get far.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Feb 10, 2021 15:48:36 GMT -5
Maki in stateside AEW is absolutely going to happen, it seems, but I doubt it happens as a result of a tournament win...or even happens at all before she is able to split time between countries post-pandemic. Coming in as a tournament winner just doesn't fit her unless the Japan bracket is extremely shenanigans-filled.
...that said, I would love it if she came in making a big Thing of it being her foreign excursion, playing it up like the Florida Brothers did back in the day with their (as far as I can tell, fictional) excursion to the US.
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Post by Kalmia on Feb 10, 2021 16:32:37 GMT -5
I can understand why the Japanese side is on YouTube as it being filmed in a totally different arena and atmosphere from the rest of the show might not translate well to TV. But, I do hope they show a highlights package of each match/round and give the matches a showcase on Dynamite. The little results ticker at the bottom of the screen like they use for Dark isn't going to cut it.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 10, 2021 16:37:56 GMT -5
I can understand why the Japanese side is on YouTube as it being filmed in a totally different arena and atmosphere from the rest of the show might not translate well to TV. But, I do hope they show a highlights package of each match/round and give the matches a showcase on Dynamite. The little results ticker at the bottom of the screen like they use for Dark isn't going to cut it. Oh yeah, if they build it across 4 weeks, you could have 4 highlight packages before matches or a brief rundown. I’d say that’s a reasonable compromise.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 10, 2021 16:53:40 GMT -5
The big upset I want here is Conti beating Rose. They've had two confrontations together and Rose has already beatenher when she was more new on Dynamite. She has vastly improved since. I know Nyla's heavily protected but Conti is someone who can believably break her down and beat her.
I'm excited about the Japan side and am curious how they roll it out. I can see it getting good viewership, deadly Draw got about 30K, I can see these doing better potentially.
Really hoping for Aja Kong vs Maki Itoh simply for the story that match could tell...
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Feb 10, 2021 16:56:36 GMT -5
The big upset I want here is Conti beating Rose. They've had two confrontations together and Rose has already beatenher when she was more new on Dynamite. She has vastly improved since. I know Nyla's heavily protected but Conti is someone who can believably break her down and beat her. Seconded. Hell, Conti's debut match was her getting the better of Nyla Rose, so it would feel like a great moment of her transcending adversity. This seems pretty likely, too, since otherwise that part of the bracket lands a heel vs. heel match between Nyla and Britt...and Conti beating Nyla seems like a better fit than Anna Jay beating Britt right now, especially if they want to at least tease a Britt/Rosa face-off.
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Post by markymark on Feb 10, 2021 16:57:16 GMT -5
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 10, 2021 16:59:52 GMT -5
Red Velvet has been improving a ton on DARK. Really excited to see her get a big match in a few weeks.
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Post by toodarkmark on Feb 10, 2021 17:10:17 GMT -5
Red Velvet has been improving a ton on DARK. Really excited to see her get a big match in a few weeks. Me too. I think she's such a star in the making. I don't know too much about her promo skills, but if she learns to cut a good one, and continues to put it together in the ring, she's champion material IMO.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 10, 2021 17:14:12 GMT -5
The big upset I want here is Conti beating Rose. They've had two confrontations together and Rose has already beatenher when she was more new on Dynamite. She has vastly improved since. I know Nyla's heavily protected but Conti is someone who can believably break her down and beat her. Seconded. Hell, Conti's debut match was her getting the better of Nyla Rose, so it would feel like a great moment of her transcending adversity. This seems pretty likely, too, since otherwise that part of the bracket lands a heel vs. heel match between Nyla and Britt...and Conti beating Nyla seems like a better fit than Anna Jay beating Britt right now, especially if they want to at least tease a Britt/Rosa face-off. It depends. If Rosa gets screwed by Britt, I could see her doing something like scaring Rebel off when Britt's trying to get the glove, and Anna using the Queenslayer on Britt to take her out during the confusion. If that happens, I can see Nyla beating Tay.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 10, 2021 18:10:35 GMT -5
Red Velvet has been improving a ton on DARK. Really excited to see her get a big match in a few weeks. Me too. I think she's such a star in the making. I don't know too much about her promo skills, but if she learns to cut a good one, and continues to put it together in the ring, she's champion material IMO. I just wish she had a better finish because that kick to the side of the head looks more like a setup move or a secondary finish. A Submission might do her a world of good in the future. On her improvement though? Definitely agree, she has come a very long way from her matches with the likes of... Mel...
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