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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Feb 16, 2021 15:35:46 GMT -5
There's honestly no reason at all to not have the us side on tv. You can do more than one women's match on tv. Hell it shouldn't take a special tourney like this to make it happen.
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Post by chrom on Feb 16, 2021 15:50:42 GMT -5
There's honestly no reason at all to not have the us side on tv. You can do more than one women's match on tv. Hell it shouldn't take a special tourney like this to make it happen. Gotta make room for a terrible celebrity angle
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 16, 2021 20:11:15 GMT -5
There's honestly no reason at all to not have the us side on tv. You can do more than one women's match on tv. Hell it shouldn't take a special tourney like this to make it happen. Gotta make room for a terrible celebrity angle That loses a ton of merit when the big focus of that match is Jade/Red Velvet workrate wise.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 16, 2021 20:21:47 GMT -5
I think it's time we stop treating AEW's women's division as significantly below that of other major companies. Is it perfect? Nope, and that applies both to the talent pool and the booking. But they've made great strides recently so I hope the discourse reflects that and doesn't reflect where they were back in the summer. It's why I moved to request the name change after all and make this a general hub for discussion. It had a bad year, and the Joshi being locked out on top of injuries definitely were why. It's also indiciative of showing why they didn't sign everyone not nailed down... they wanted to wait for the opportunity for Joshi to return, call it stubborn if you want, that was Kenny's biggest vision when making the division, a Joshi focus. Now with Joshi able to be featured more, Riho back, maybe getting Ryo on a full time basis, Statlander returning soon, and when pandemic restrictions lessen, maybe even more Josji like Yuka, Emi Itoh, VENY and such being seen more? The women's division is quickly going to get more and more quality, which will frankly compliment the likes of Shida, Deeb, Baker, Swole, La Sicria's, Ford, Velvet, Jade, Tay, Anna, Abadon, Hirsch, Leva, Nyla and the upcoming Young Lionesses who frankly all got thrown into a fire, but are coming out the other end better for it. You will be hard pressed to see a women's division go through the amount of SHIT that the AEW Women's Division had to, and survive, and now start to thrive again. You’re giving them way too much of a pass. The biggest criticisms were not the lack of talent but the lack of effort and airtime being put into the division. That part has gotten slightly better but it’s still lacking in many respects.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 16, 2021 20:53:56 GMT -5
It's why I moved to request the name change after all and make this a general hub for discussion. It had a bad year, and the Joshi being locked out on top of injuries definitely were why. It's also indiciative of showing why they didn't sign everyone not nailed down... they wanted to wait for the opportunity for Joshi to return, call it stubborn if you want, that was Kenny's biggest vision when making the division, a Joshi focus. Now with Joshi able to be featured more, Riho back, maybe getting Ryo on a full time basis, Statlander returning soon, and when pandemic restrictions lessen, maybe even more Josji like Yuka, Emi Itoh, VENY and such being seen more? The women's division is quickly going to get more and more quality, which will frankly compliment the likes of Shida, Deeb, Baker, Swole, La Sicria's, Ford, Velvet, Jade, Tay, Anna, Abadon, Hirsch, Leva, Nyla and the upcoming Young Lionesses who frankly all got thrown into a fire, but are coming out the other end better for it. You will be hard pressed to see a women's division go through the amount of SHIT that the AEW Women's Division had to, and survive, and now start to thrive again. You’re giving them way too much of a pass. The biggest criticisms were not the lack of talent but the lack of effort and airtime being put into the division. That part has gotten slightly better but it’s still lacking in many respects. Im not giving them a pass, I'm just trying to remain positive on the trajection of the division and hoping things can continue in that direction.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 16, 2021 21:13:59 GMT -5
I also think that more of the issues before were the talent as opposed to the time. Swole and Ford are great to have around but they're definitely a notch below the average Dynamite match. They now have the talent to give fresh matchups every week that will also give us a high quality match. I'd love more time as much as the next guy and I think we'll get that soon.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 16, 2021 21:39:01 GMT -5
You’re giving them way too much of a pass. The biggest criticisms were not the lack of talent but the lack of effort and airtime being put into the division. That part has gotten slightly better but it’s still lacking in many respects. Im not giving them a pass, I'm just trying to remain positive on the trajection of the division and hoping things can continue in that direction. For sure it’s good to remain positive and hope for better for the division. I hope for better too. But you seemed to be saying the joshis being away and the injuries were “definitely why” the division was criticized and struggled. A lot of the struggle has been the lack of effort and time.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 16, 2021 22:42:20 GMT -5
Im not giving them a pass, I'm just trying to remain positive on the trajection of the division and hoping things can continue in that direction. For sure it’s good to remain positive and hope for better for the division. I hope for better too. But you seemed to be saying the joshis being away and the injuries were “definitely why” the division was criticized and struggled. A lot of the struggle has been the lack of effort and time. It factored into the time and effort they could put in at the time too, they were so short changed that they tried to stretch things out and it just wasn't working. There was no balance to the division and now, with that balance returning and returning hard, we can only hope that they invest more and more time into them.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Feb 16, 2021 22:51:44 GMT -5
Im not giving them a pass, I'm just trying to remain positive on the trajection of the division and hoping things can continue in that direction. For sure it’s good to remain positive and hope for better for the division. I hope for better too. But you seemed to be saying the joshis being away and the injuries were “definitely why” the division was criticized and struggled. A lot of the struggle has been the lack of effort and time. I mean, at one point the women's division was Britt, Swole, Shida, Ford, Brandy, and Allie. Even then Baker got injured and Rebel had to be used. After that dip, they've had to build up a new crop of of women, introduce them to the audience, and then find where to piece them into the division. I'm not absolving AEW of their overall usage and effort but let's not pretend them losing the Joshi's and injuries haven't played a part in the division being weak for so long either.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 17, 2021 20:23:22 GMT -5
The WINNERS face at Revolution, Shida's title match is not at Revolution like some thought
That gives the Tournament time to play out
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Post by Duke Cameron on Feb 17, 2021 20:57:32 GMT -5
I wish they would have just done two tournament matches per Dynamite instead of sticking the last two first round matches on YouTube. Just put Conti/Rose on last week and Jay/Baker on tonight’s show.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 17, 2021 21:12:43 GMT -5
I get being on youtube, you wanna give then time and neither matches really advance any stories right now.
Better being on youtube than a 1 minute squash on dynamite.I do feel like there is ana rgument to cut a match or another.
You could easilt cut FTR vs Sydels for one of the matches
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Feb 17, 2021 21:23:39 GMT -5
I wish they would have just done two tournament matches per Dynamite instead of sticking the last two first round matches on YouTube. Just put Conti/Rose on last week and Jay/Baker on tonight’s show. Agreed, and given how padded certain feuds are, it would have been a much better use of the last two cards...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 17, 2021 21:42:48 GMT -5
I don't mind it as much if it means we get to the semi-finals this week which it seems we are.
At least Conti/Rosa has already happened multiple times, I would have liked to see Jay/Britt on Dynamite, but by the looks of things, one of Conti or Anna is winning, and I would assume Conti is finally gonna get up one on Rose...
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Feb 17, 2021 21:47:05 GMT -5
Nah.
Dudes like the other Ziggler, the other Sydal, Luther, and now, Cutler, are all getting on Dynamite....
While the tourney for supposedly a major title is being regulated onto YouTube. Usually I don’t complain, but this is getting annoying.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 17, 2021 22:08:43 GMT -5
Nah. Dudes like the other Ziggler, the other Sydal, Luther, and now, Cutler, are all getting on Dynamite.... While the tourney for supposedly a major title is being regulated onto YouTube. Usually I don’t complain, but this is getting annoying. Those matches were all fairly quick, but I do agree they need to start thinking they can have more than one women's match. I hope this isn't something TNT is afraid of doing.
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Post by markymark on Feb 17, 2021 22:28:51 GMT -5
Nah. Dudes like the other Ziggler, the other Sydal, Luther, and now, Cutler, are all getting on Dynamite.... While the tourney for supposedly a major title is being regulated onto YouTube. Usually I don’t complain, but this is getting annoying. Seems that Rosa is stuck in Texas, and considering tomorrow they are taping next weeks show, I guess Rosa vs Riho will be on youtube which really really sucks.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 17, 2021 22:37:55 GMT -5
Nah. Dudes like the other Ziggler, the other Sydal, Luther, and now, Cutler, are all getting on Dynamite.... While the tourney for supposedly a major title is being regulated onto YouTube. Usually I don’t complain, but this is getting annoying. Seems that Rosa is stuck in Texas, and considering tomorrow they are taping next weeks show, I guess Rosa vs Riho will be on youtube which really really sucks. If that's the case you really can't blame AEW here, because the Semi's were set to happen in this block of time, the weather has prevented several wrestlers from showing up.
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Post by markymark on Feb 17, 2021 22:39:02 GMT -5
Indeed.
Again like I said in the other thread, they should have US vs Japan finalists at the Revolution buyin, the winner faces Shida in the main show.
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 18, 2021 3:02:11 GMT -5
Indeed. Again like I said in the other thread, they should have US vs Japan finalists at the Revolution buyin, the winner faces Shida in the main show. Eh, that puts the winner of the tournament at a severe disadvantage. Working a possibly grueling final match of the tournament only to face a fresh Shida a couple of hours later? That'd suck. I'd also like to see them get a chance to actually build some kind of storyline between Shida and the tournament winner instead of rushing to the match.
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