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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2021 18:48:05 GMT -5
The numbers this does is almost irrelevant unless it's a complete disaster. The point that people are missing is that Tony has enough faith in Riho and Rosa to use them for cross-promotional purposes for their major media partner. That's symbolically a lot more important than being in the last quarter for their weekly TV show. People are missing the forest for the trees being so fixated on timeslots. No one will talk about a random match streamed on Bleacher Report a month after the fact, probably not even a week. I mean we might because we’re hardcore fans on a message board discussing minute details who’d probably be able to recall random Al Snow Sunday Night Heat segments from 1999…but the average fan won’t. In fact the average fan probably won’t even watch this. If even a tenth of the 600-800,000 AEW fans stream this live I’d be shocked. Dark gets less than 100,000 live viewers each week. Riho v Rosa being the first women’s main event on Dynamite though would literally be historic and be remembered for however many years the show/company exists. Trish v Lita is still celebrated 17 years later for breaking that barrier on Raw. It’s not just the main event, even opening the show is a prestigious spot. There’s been 73 episodes of Dynamite so between the opening and closing that’s 146 opportunities to give the women a key spot on TV. By the law of averages alone they should have done it by now. If there were some hard rule that only our top draw is allowed to get those spots it would be one thing but look at some of the matches that have main evented Dynamite. Joey Janela’s done it more than once. Kip Sabian, Marko Stunt, Shawn Spears, Scorpio Sky, Jungle Boy, Private Party, Darby Allin/Sammy Guevara in the early days before they were stars. Here’s a challenge, go look at the entire male AEW roster and find me someone who isn’t a complete jobber or Dark regular (and even some of those have done it) who hasn’t main evented Dynamite at least once. It’s not exactly a super exclusive club so every week/month that passes without women doing it it becomes more glaring. They’ll probably have Shaq’s match main event and some will say, hey, the women got a main event! But that’s like Trish or Lita when they main evented Raw/Smackdowns teaming with Rock to face HHH and Stephanie. Rock was the reason it main evented, just like Shaq will be. There’s a reason the Trish/Lita singles match years later is the one that’s considered historic. I’ll go back to what I said months ago in the opening post of this thread, if this was 15-20 years ago hardly anyone would consider it an issue. It had been beaten into our heads by WWF and WCW for years that the women’s division didn’t matter. It’s 2021 though. It isn’t acceptable for women’s wrestling to be treated like a nuisance/sideshow. Stuff like the women's tourneys being 95% on Dark rather than Dynamite wouldn't even be an issue either if they did it with the guys too but they've done about 4-5 men's tournaments for either the World/TNT/tag titles or contendership and the matches all aired on Dynamite. Why is it only the women who get shifted to Youtube and end up being watched by less than half of the Dynamite audience? During AEWs very first press conference they made a point to promise they would have the best women’s division on the planet. They don’t even have a “division” on TV yet. They have a champion who appears once every 4-6 weeks, tournament winners who’ve made two appearances in half a year and Britt Baker, who actually gets her screentime. Oh yeah and Nyla who gets pushed for a month then disappears for months and rinse and repeat. And just to clarify, no one’s saying (well I’m not) to hand women these spots just to check a box so that you can say you did it. It has to be earned. Riho/Rosa is legit bigger than anything announced for Dynamite next week and would be a more than suitable main event. There have been times when Shida has defended her (supposedly World) title on TV in the cooldown segment before the main event which was a random tag match with no stakes. They would never do that to the men’s World or even TNT titles.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 20, 2021 20:54:55 GMT -5
The numbers this does is almost irrelevant unless it's a complete disaster. The point that people are missing is that Tony has enough faith in Riho and Rosa to use them for cross-promotional purposes for their major media partner. That's symbolically a lot more important than being in the last quarter for their weekly TV show. People are missing the forest for the trees being so fixated on timeslots. During AEWs very first press conference they made a point to promise they would have the best women’s division on the planet. They don’t even have a “division” on TV yet. They have a champion who appears once every 4-6 weeks, tournament winners who’ve made two appearances in half a year and Britt Baker, who actually gets her screentime. Oh yeah and Nyla who gets pushed for a month then disappears for months and rinse and repeat. Nyla has disappeared off TV because due to COVID she opted out as champion for weeks, and then had to quarantine due to COVID again later. So she's had some rotten luck Otherwise, I need to remind people that the AEW Women's Division was hit hardest in the pandemic, and yes it's returning to full form now, but do people really remember the summer months? Shida, Penelope Ford, Big Swole, Nyla, Brandi, Allie an Injured Britt Baker, and Anna Jay who had like 10 matches to that point, WERE the division. They ran through every possible thing they could have for months and it lead to storylines stagnating until the likes of Rosa, Deeb, Hirsch, and La Sicaria's started to come in. They lost their Joshi, they lost Statlander, they lost Baker for months as a wrestler. I don't know what company is supposed to have the "Best Women's Division on the Planet" that goes through this shit, and I'm sick of it being overlooked as a means to just shit on the booking and AEW "not doing enough" Yes they need to do more, by the sounds of things TNT are the ones that need to get their heads out of their asses with it. I hope the fan support is enough to get this to happen. Khan seems to be trying his damndest to get the girls on screen and focused which is why Bleacher Report's special seems to be happening. The obvious endgame would be more women's matches on TV, and more showcasing of them, opening and main eventing the show. But the division had major setbacks, and I can see TNT being worried about featuring them. But now with the likes of Riho back, Rosa being a stalwart pillar, and the likes of Statlander and Ryo Mizunami on the horizon, the division is only going to get more depth and get more undeniable. It's why the demand is getting louder. As the pandemic lessens, more talent could also arrive and make that more a reality, an that's not even factoring in the up and comers like Jade, Abadon, Velvet, Gracia, Jordyn, King, Havok? There's just a ton of potential. It feels like it's on the verge of becoming that kind of division and what AEW wanted it to be all along. I just hope the patience of going through the shit this year brought to it can inevitably pay off, and that this Bleacher Report show also pays dividends.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 20, 2021 21:35:07 GMT -5
That Trish vs. Lita match that main evented some Raw was so historic I forgot it existed until you brought it up just now. And that was followed by over a decade of the women being treated like a complete afterthought and mainly there for horny teenagers to ogle at until WWE finally started to get its act together. Much history.
You want actual gamechangers in American women's wrestling? SHIMMER, which treated its all women's roster as serious athletes instead of pieces of meat for the male gaze. Hell, TNA beat WWE to the punch with its Knockouts Division, even though it went down the toilet when Bruce Prichard took over. Some Trish vs. Lita match on a mid 00's Raw that didn't lead to any change which WWE doesn't even acknowledge that strongly in its revisionist history? That's an aberration.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2021 22:10:20 GMT -5
That Trish vs. Lita match that main evented some Raw was so historic I forgot it existed until you brought it up just now. And that was followed by over a decade of the women being treated like a complete afterthought and mainly there for horny teenagers to ogle at until WWE finally started to get its act together. Much history. You want actual gamechangers in American women's wrestling? SHIMMER, which treated its all women's roster as serious athletes instead of pieces of meat for the male gaze. Hell, TNA beat WWE to the punch with its Knockouts Division, even though it went down the toilet when Bruce Prichard took over. Some Trish vs. Lita match on a mid 00's Raw that didn't lead to any change which WWE doesn't even acknowledge that strongly in its revisionist history? That's an aberration. It’s not the women’s fault they were treated like shit for years until like 2015. Luckily it’s a normal thing now with women main eventing TV and even PPVs but back then it was still absolutely massive for two females to main event a mainstream TV show with no outside/male help and get 5 million viewers and if you’ve heard even a single interview from Lita or Trish over the years you’d know how special it is to them and how proud they are of it, just like I’m sure Riho and Rosa would be to headline Dynamite, even if the overall division is not in good shape. And you really don't remember that spot where Lita almost broke her neck doing a suicide dive to the guard rail? The moonsault? The shot of her in tears of joy holding the title at the top of the ramp? I feel like those clips have been shown over and over throughout the years.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Feb 20, 2021 23:49:07 GMT -5
Shida needs to make this what she wears for interviews and such, she looks hella rad. ![](https://i.imgur.com/C3METaL.png)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 0:08:57 GMT -5
That Trish vs. Lita match that main evented some Raw was so historic I forgot it existed until you brought it up just now. And that was followed by over a decade of the women being treated like a complete afterthought and mainly there for horny teenagers to ogle at until WWE finally started to get its act together. Much history. You want actual gamechangers in American women's wrestling? SHIMMER, which treated its all women's roster as serious athletes instead of pieces of meat for the male gaze. Hell, TNA beat WWE to the punch with its Knockouts Division, even though it went down the toilet when Bruce Prichard took over. Some Trish vs. Lita match on a mid 00's Raw that didn't lead to any change which WWE doesn't even acknowledge that strongly in its revisionist history? That's an aberration. You want to heard something that mess up. The precursor to Shimmer was an IWA MS event called Volcano Girl which was mostly an all girl wrestling event outside of two matches. Without that, there weren't be a Shimmer today. Ian f***ing Rotten can be considered as one of the people that kick started the true women revolution in North America.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 21, 2021 5:46:27 GMT -5
That Trish vs. Lita match that main evented some Raw was so historic I forgot it existed until you brought it up just now. And that was followed by over a decade of the women being treated like a complete afterthought and mainly there for horny teenagers to ogle at until WWE finally started to get its act together. Much history. You want actual gamechangers in American women's wrestling? SHIMMER, which treated its all women's roster as serious athletes instead of pieces of meat for the male gaze. Hell, TNA beat WWE to the punch with its Knockouts Division, even though it went down the toilet when Bruce Prichard took over. Some Trish vs. Lita match on a mid 00's Raw that didn't lead to any change which WWE doesn't even acknowledge that strongly in its revisionist history? That's an aberration. You want to heard something that mess up. The precursor to Shimmer was an IWA MS event called Volcano Girl which was mostly an all girl wrestling event outside of two matches. Without that, there weren't be a Shimmer today. Ian f***ing Rotten can be considered as one of the people that kick started the true women revolution in North America. A Pizza Oven and a Dream...
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 21, 2021 8:57:18 GMT -5
That Trish vs. Lita match that main evented some Raw was so historic I forgot it existed until you brought it up just now. And that was followed by over a decade of the women being treated like a complete afterthought and mainly there for horny teenagers to ogle at until WWE finally started to get its act together. Much history. You want actual gamechangers in American women's wrestling? SHIMMER, which treated its all women's roster as serious athletes instead of pieces of meat for the male gaze. Hell, TNA beat WWE to the punch with its Knockouts Division, even though it went down the toilet when Bruce Prichard took over. Some Trish vs. Lita match on a mid 00's Raw that didn't lead to any change which WWE doesn't even acknowledge that strongly in its revisionist history? That's an aberration. Have to disagree strongly. WWE has mentioned that Trish vs. Lita main event tons of times, especially in docs. It’s been beaten into viewers’ heads as much as “big bad WCW raiding WWF’s talent” has been in documentaries and look-backs.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 21, 2021 9:22:22 GMT -5
Shida needs to make this what she wears for interviews and such, she looks hella rad. ![](https://i.imgur.com/C3METaL.png) Man Shida should totally pull of some of Kiryus moves.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Feb 21, 2021 9:42:02 GMT -5
That Trish vs. Lita match that main evented some Raw was so historic I forgot it existed until you brought it up just now. And that was followed by over a decade of the women being treated like a complete afterthought and mainly there for horny teenagers to ogle at until WWE finally started to get its act together. Much history. You want actual gamechangers in American women's wrestling? SHIMMER, which treated its all women's roster as serious athletes instead of pieces of meat for the male gaze. Hell, TNA beat WWE to the punch with its Knockouts Division, even though it went down the toilet when Bruce Prichard took over. Some Trish vs. Lita match on a mid 00's Raw that didn't lead to any change which WWE doesn't even acknowledge that strongly in its revisionist history? That's an aberration. Have to disagree strongly. WWE has mentioned that Trish vs. Lita main event tons of times, especially in docs. It’s been beaten into viewers’ heads as much as “big bad WCW raiding WWF’s talent” has been in documentaries and look-backs. I haven't seen it in full in 10 years or more and I still remember bits from it cause of how much WWE talked about it.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Feb 21, 2021 9:52:37 GMT -5
Just as a point of order, Trish vs Lita wasn't the first women's match to main event Raw. That's just WWE history at its finest. Lita vs Stephanie McMahon main-evented Raw in 2000.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 10:05:58 GMT -5
Just as a point of order, Trish vs Lita wasn't the first women's match to main event Raw. That's just WWE history at its finest. Lita vs Stephanie McMahon main-evented Raw in 2000. The Rock was the special guest referee though and there was copious amounts of run-ins from HHH, Angle and the Hardys. Plus the last thing JR hyped up as the show was going off the air was will Rock be able to retain his title against HHH and Angle at Summerslam. Every time a woman was in the main event during that era there was always some kind of male involvement. I wouldn't be mad if someone considers that one more important but to me Trish/Lita was a way bigger deal. I also wouldn't consider Jade and Velvet main eventing with Shaq/Cody involvement to be as important as a straight up match with no guys out there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 10:16:56 GMT -5
Shida needs to make this what she wears for interviews and such, she looks hella rad. ![](https://i.imgur.com/C3METaL.png) Between how badass this looks and Sonya too it's surprising that wrestling has never run the "female in a suit" trope into the ground like they did with every male heel coming out in them at one point for years.
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Post by markymark on Feb 21, 2021 16:52:18 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 21, 2021 16:57:07 GMT -5
All respect to Swole, nothing is going to main event over an "Exploding Barbed Wire Deathmatch", and frankly... nothing should. The women should definitely main event a Dynamite though in the future.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Feb 21, 2021 16:58:34 GMT -5
Shida needs to make this what she wears for interviews and such, she looks hella rad. ![](https://i.imgur.com/C3METaL.png) Man Shida should totally pull of some of Kiryus moves. I would mark so hard if Shida just pulled off a Tiger Drop on someone.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 21, 2021 17:04:39 GMT -5
All respect to Swole, nothing is going to main event over an "Exploding Barbed Wire Deathmatch", and frankly... nothing should. The women should definitely main event a Dynamite though in the future. Yeah, if they didn’t already have the title match confirmed for Revolution, I’d have the finals on the PPV and the title match main event the next Dynamite and build the show around it.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 21, 2021 17:12:11 GMT -5
Alvarez and Lance Storm brought up a good point recently where they said that the spot Riho/Deeb were in is where they should be aiming right now because almost all major wrestling shows right now see the audience trickle off throughout the night with rare exceptions. So if you want to get the most eyes on them, that 8:30 slot could work well. Obviously if you have a well built program that is main event worthy, put them there. But that won't necessarily get them the most eye balls.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 17:42:24 GMT -5
That's what I was saying. Even if the division's in a bad spot, getting a main event is still always going to mean a lot to them. No one's dreaming about or mentioning in interviews how they've always wanted a Youtube/Bleacher Report special or a random 8.30 spot on TV but main eventing an actual mainstream TV show or PPV is a legit goal a lot of wrestlers aspire to do and could be a career highlight.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 21, 2021 18:00:00 GMT -5
Alvarez and Lance Storm brought up a good point recently where they said that the spot Riho/Deeb were in is where they should be aiming right now because almost all major wrestling shows right now see the audience trickle off throughout the night with rare exceptions. So if you want to get the most eyes on them, that 8:30 slot could work well. Obviously if you have a well built program that is main event worthy, put them there. But that won't necessarily get them the most eye balls. Sorta related, but it reminds me of Wrestlemania where as prestigious as it should've been for Becky Lynch, Charlotte, and Ronda Rousey to be the last match of the night, everyone was absolutely wiped because of the marathon of wrestling beforehand. Fortunately, it does seem like two night Wrestlemanias are going to be a thing going forward, which should help out a lot if WWE ever wants to do anything like that again.
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