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Post by chrom on Jun 14, 2021 18:47:17 GMT -5
Not to mention Ryo or Abadon as well Not sure but I think Ryo maybe went back to Japan She had a match she had to fulfill there and should be back soon
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 14, 2021 18:47:27 GMT -5
Jesus christ can this thread get any more negative when one week on a 10PM show some girls aren't featured?
It's a 10PM Show. Who the hell cares? If this consistently begins to happen week in and week out then we have a problem. As it stands a match to re-establish Ford in the division isn't the worst idea in the world to do. Plus this might not even be the only thing we see of the girls this week.
They have a second show coming soon. The girls are going to get more time to shine and showcase their talents. Stop pressing the panic button and showing an Omega Tweet from FEBRUARY and let things play out.
And we especially need to not pull the "Britt's gonna pull a Cena on the women's division" card or that her as champion is going to kill the division and send it backwards like... what? She's held the belt f***ing two weeks after Shida held it an entire year and beat the entire division to defend it. Like think of Baker all you want but we just came OFF a dominant championship reign.
Let the show get past these awkward dates and get back on touring before you start crying death and doom. The crowds LOVE the girls. That's what matters.
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Post by holyshida on Jun 14, 2021 18:50:09 GMT -5
Not sure but I think Ryo maybe went back to Japan Yeah Ryo will still be in Japan this month. Remember how Emi wanted Shida to main event a show and the result was main eventing....Elevation. Shida hasn't been on Dynamite at all since double or nothing.
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Post by chrom on Jun 14, 2021 18:56:22 GMT -5
Penelope cant carry anyone, imagine someone who is very raw like Julia. Shouldve bothered establishing RSK, what about giving Kilynn a win on Dynamite already? I agree, she's head and shoulders better than she was a year ago
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 14, 2021 19:00:14 GMT -5
I get wanting development for certain girls but these last like three Dynamites are clearly in a holding pattern
They aren't wasting huge storylines or big talent matches on either division on a show that is literally being watched live by half their normal viewing audience.
If they're gonna do stuff with the women's division like they had been before then it should be when the Saturday Show happens and when touring begins again. Till then showcase and re=establish talent and let the girls get reps on Elevation and DARK.
I really think this outrage is so incredibly pre-mature. If we're getting this shit when we're getting back to business with big crowds then sure I can understand it. Julia Hart vs Penelope Ford airing at 11PM? I'm really not sweating that whatsoever or upset about other girls not getting this spot... Dynamite's on cruise control right now.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jun 14, 2021 20:05:44 GMT -5
Honestly, Ford/Hart as the only women's match for Dynamite this week hurts because Elevation has usually been where AEW is good about providing a decent women's wrestling fix. Even when it's a squash or a glorified enhancement match featuring Diamante, there's generally something there to like, or at least some variety. Not so this week, with Nyla doing her NXT Ascension/Baron Corbin routine and the extremely green Julia Hart getting carried by the charismatic woman that she was defeating. I've been critical of AEW slotting the women into a "carry the web shows" spot, but like, at least it is a spot.
Plus...what exactly is Hart/Ford going to accomplish? Is Ford going to bully Hart and prompt Shida to make a big save? That would be alright, but it doesn't feel especially likely...nor would it really mean much if it happened besides maybe a more substantial feud than their thrown-together title program. Is Ford just going to get a win for the sake of getting one? If so, why is this the match that goes on Dynamite this week - is tomorrow's Dark card going to be just that dire? Or, maybe most likely - is this match just a prop for a feud between Kip Sabian and the Varsity Blondes, with 100% of the women's wrestling on this week's top show dedicated to kicking off a men's feud? The best case scenario is just sort of OK, the worst case scenario is one where women technically appear on the show, but women's wrestling does not matter at all.
Given they could have done, say, Penelope Ford vs. Ashley Vox and at least given the audience a decent match out of it, it's a downer to see this positioned as the best thing AEW's giving their women all week. Again, unless Dark's card is doing something really cool with the Sea Stars, Willow, and Aminata - and if something sufficiently cool is happening there, given how meh Elevation was this week, it again raises the question of why Hart/Ford for Dynamite.
It also really doesn't help that Hart is, um, not ready. It's like AEW got drunk on the successes of Jade and Anna Jay out of training and are ignoring that Hart does not have the qualities that helped either of them make such a splash with so little experience. It hurts that the only women's match on the card is one that would be well served by ending in seconds.
The thing is, AEW has kept their women's wrestling in a constant state of delay. Pre-pandemic, they had to wait around when Riho and Sakazaki had commitments in Japan. During the pandemic, they had to wait for Baker and Statlander to get healthy while also waiting for the various joshi to come back. Then there was a wait until Baker could win the title. And now a wait until we're out of the Friday doldrums to so much as have a match worth seeing on paper? What next, is there going to be another delay until someone from the last round of WWE releases can debut? Then another for the next round of WWE releases? Then another for Rosa's NWA contract to run out? Then another for Emi Sakura to finally come back to a midcard spot that's been reserved for her for two years at that point?
And that's why I, at least, am unsatisfied with the idea that it's all going to be peachy once we're past the reason du jour to delay literally anything of substance happening for over a dozen individual wrestlers that I care about.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 14, 2021 20:43:09 GMT -5
Honestly, Ford/Hart as the only women's match for Dynamite this week hurts because Elevation has usually been where AEW is good about providing a decent women's wrestling fix. Even when it's a squash or a glorified enhancement match featuring Diamante, there's generally something there to like, or at least some variety. Not so this week, with Nyla doing her NXT Ascension/Baron Corbin routine and the extremely green Julia Hart getting carried by the charismatic woman that she was defeating. I've been critical of AEW slotting the women into a "carry the web shows" spot, but like, at least it is a spot.Plus...what exactly is Hart/Ford going to accomplish? Is Ford going to bully Hart and prompt Shida to make a big save? That would be alright, but it doesn't feel especially likely...nor would it really mean much if it happened besides maybe a more substantial feud than their thrown-together title program. Is Ford just going to get a win for the sake of getting one? If so, why is this the match that goes on Dynamite this week - is tomorrow's Dark card going to be just that dire? Or, maybe most likely - is this match just a prop for a feud between Kip Sabian and the Varsity Blondes, with 100% of the women's wrestling on this week's top show dedicated to kicking off a men's feud? The best case scenario is just sort of OK, the worst case scenario is one where women technically appear on the show, but women's wrestling does not matter at all. Given they could have done, say, Penelope Ford vs. Ashley Vox and at least given the audience a decent match out of it, it's a downer to see this positioned as the best thing AEW's giving their women all week. Again, unless Dark's card is doing something really cool with the Sea Stars, Willow, and Aminata - and if something sufficiently cool is happening there, given how meh Elevation was this week, it again raises the question of why Hart/Ford for Dynamite. It also really doesn't help that Hart is, um, not ready. It's like AEW got drunk on the successes of Jade and Anna Jay out of training and are ignoring that Hart does not have the qualities that helped either of them make such a splash with so little experience. It hurts that the only women's match on the card is one that would be well served by ending in seconds. The thing is, AEW has kept their women's wrestling in a constant state of delay. Pre-pandemic, they had to wait around when Riho and Sakazaki had commitments in Japan. During the pandemic, they had to wait for Baker and Statlander to get healthy while also waiting for the various joshi to come back. Then there was a wait until Baker could win the title. And now a wait until we're out of the Friday doldrums to so much as have a match worth seeing on paper? What next, is there going to be another delay until someone from the last round of WWE releases can debut? Then another for the next round of WWE releases? Then another for Rosa's NWA contract to run out? Then another for Emi Sakura to finally come back to a midcard spot that's been reserved for her for two years at that point? And that's why I, at least, am unsatisfied with the idea that it's all going to be peachy once we're past the reason du jour to delay literally anything of substance happening for over a dozen individual wrestlers that I care about. Kip is injured right now so that can't be it either. I really don't know what the purpose of the match is going to be. Penelope it feels like hasn't been on TV in months unless I missed something, and it will be interesting to see what the direction is for her going forward. Going by the match announced for Dynamite I guess she's still a heel however with Kip likely going to be a face when he comes back due to Miro turning on him, I don't know how that's going to work. I agree about Hart not being ready. She adds a lot to the Varsity Blonde act but in ring she really shouldn't be wrestling on TV at this point. Even though she's athletic and has a couple of nice flashy moves, everything she does is so slow and tentative and looks really bad due to how inexperienced she is. Even in her match today it looks like she doesn't really even know how to pin someone properly as she just kind of laid on opponent without hooking anything or pressing down on the shoulders. She literally looks like someone who is like a week into wrestling school.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Jun 14, 2021 20:59:47 GMT -5
Yeah it's getting really frustrating at this point. People will make excuse after excuse though.
Where is Riho? She moved to the US. Shida revealed a new look...on Dark.
10pm is the problem? A holding pattern? Pinnacle and Inner Cirlcle can get 20 minutes of promo time though? Cody can get time, Bucks can get time, Miro can get time, Archer, Pac etc. They make time for all of them.
The women though? Nah it's a holding pattern on a shit time so it's ok. I'm sure we'll see plenty of time for them when we are back on Wednesdays.
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Post by markymark on Jun 14, 2021 21:15:01 GMT -5
Honestly, Ford/Hart as the only women's match for Dynamite this week hurts because Elevation has usually been where AEW is good about providing a decent women's wrestling fix. Even when it's a squash or a glorified enhancement match featuring Diamante, there's generally something there to like, or at least some variety. Not so this week, with Nyla doing her NXT Ascension/Baron Corbin routine and the extremely green Julia Hart getting carried by the charismatic woman that she was defeating. I've been critical of AEW slotting the women into a "carry the web shows" spot, but like, at least it is a spot.Plus...what exactly is Hart/Ford going to accomplish? Is Ford going to bully Hart and prompt Shida to make a big save? That would be alright, but it doesn't feel especially likely...nor would it really mean much if it happened besides maybe a more substantial feud than their thrown-together title program. Is Ford just going to get a win for the sake of getting one? If so, why is this the match that goes on Dynamite this week - is tomorrow's Dark card going to be just that dire? Or, maybe most likely - is this match just a prop for a feud between Kip Sabian and the Varsity Blondes, with 100% of the women's wrestling on this week's top show dedicated to kicking off a men's feud? The best case scenario is just sort of OK, the worst case scenario is one where women technically appear on the show, but women's wrestling does not matter at all. Given they could have done, say, Penelope Ford vs. Ashley Vox and at least given the audience a decent match out of it, it's a downer to see this positioned as the best thing AEW's giving their women all week. Again, unless Dark's card is doing something really cool with the Sea Stars, Willow, and Aminata - and if something sufficiently cool is happening there, given how meh Elevation was this week, it again raises the question of why Hart/Ford for Dynamite. It also really doesn't help that Hart is, um, not ready. It's like AEW got drunk on the successes of Jade and Anna Jay out of training and are ignoring that Hart does not have the qualities that helped either of them make such a splash with so little experience. It hurts that the only women's match on the card is one that would be well served by ending in seconds. The thing is, AEW has kept their women's wrestling in a constant state of delay. Pre-pandemic, they had to wait around when Riho and Sakazaki had commitments in Japan. During the pandemic, they had to wait for Baker and Statlander to get healthy while also waiting for the various joshi to come back. Then there was a wait until Baker could win the title. And now a wait until we're out of the Friday doldrums to so much as have a match worth seeing on paper? What next, is there going to be another delay until someone from the last round of WWE releases can debut? Then another for the next round of WWE releases? Then another for Rosa's NWA contract to run out? Then another for Emi Sakura to finally come back to a midcard spot that's been reserved for her for two years at that point? And that's why I, at least, am unsatisfied with the idea that it's all going to be peachy once we're past the reason du jour to delay literally anything of substance happening for over a dozen individual wrestlers that I care about. If they want Julia to get experience, why not have her face Diamante(who is a better worker than Penelope), its also frustrating how Diamante hasnt been on Dynamite for a long time yet Penelope has had more matches than her.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jun 14, 2021 21:27:05 GMT -5
If they want Julia to get experience, why not have her face Diamante(who is a better worker than Penelope), its also frustrating how Diamante hasnt been on Dynamite for a long time yet Penelope has had more matches than her. Diamante is such an actively bizarre part of the roster right now. Is she signed? Is she per appearance? She loses to every signed wrestler. She gets more promo time - by which I mean any - than almost all of the signed wrestlers. She's shaped up her game and become a perfectly fine wrestler who could be slotted into almost any role. Certainly, the middle-tier of babyfaces have needed somebody of substance to get wins over, but that doesn't work out so well when Diamante is the only such heel in that role. She's like the default enemy that you hit on bad turns in a deck building game. The optimist in me could see this being a developmental run for her where she jobs a few more times before she gets a tag partner and gets a firm push. But it really feels like any time I wonder where AEW is going with a woman, the answer turns out to be "nowhere particular" - if she's actually going somewhere, the answer will be telegraphed in 20-foot-high neon letters.
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Post by chrom on Jun 14, 2021 21:32:46 GMT -5
If they want Julia to get experience, why not have her face Diamante(who is a better worker than Penelope), its also frustrating how Diamante hasnt been on Dynamite for a long time yet Penelope has had more matches than her. Diamante is such an actively bizarre part of the roster right now. Is she signed? Is she per appearance? She loses to every signed wrestler. She gets more promo time - by which I mean any - than almost all of the signed wrestlers. She's shaped up her game and become a perfectly fine wrestler who could be slotted into almost any role. Certainly, the middle-tier of babyfaces have needed somebody of substance to get wins over, but that doesn't work out so well when Diamante is the only such heel in that role. She's like the default enemy that you hit on bad turns in a deck building game. The optimist in me could see this being a developmental run for her where she jobs a few more times before she gets a tag partner and gets a firm push. But it really feels like any time I wonder where AEW is going with a woman, the answer turns out to be "nowhere particular" - if she's actually going somewhere, the answer will be telegraphed in 20-foot-high neon letters. This last month she's lost to Kris, Rosa, Velvet, Hirsch and Shida. Can't tell if they are settling her in a role of gatekeeper or if they are giving her tryouts like they do.
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Post by pippen94 on Jun 14, 2021 21:45:52 GMT -5
Diamante is such an actively bizarre part of the roster right now. Is she signed? Is she per appearance? She loses to every signed wrestler. She gets more promo time - by which I mean any - than almost all of the signed wrestlers. She's shaped up her game and become a perfectly fine wrestler who could be slotted into almost any role. Certainly, the middle-tier of babyfaces have needed somebody of substance to get wins over, but that doesn't work out so well when Diamante is the only such heel in that role. She's like the default enemy that you hit on bad turns in a deck building game. The optimist in me could see this being a developmental run for her where she jobs a few more times before she gets a tag partner and gets a firm push. But it really feels like any time I wonder where AEW is going with a woman, the answer turns out to be "nowhere particular" - if she's actually going somewhere, the answer will be telegraphed in 20-foot-high neon letters. This last month she's lost to Kris, Rosa, Velvet, Hirsch and Shida. Can't tell if they are settling her in a role of gatekeeper or if they are giving her tryouts like they do. Is she transitioning to back stage? Saw picture of her & Dustin at gorilla
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Post by Convoy on Jun 14, 2021 21:46:18 GMT -5
Diamante has been seen learning in Gorilla (or whatever AEW calls it) alongside Billy and Dustin. So chances are she’s educating herself on multiple areas, which will give her longevity in the company away from the ring.
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Post by mystermystery on Jun 14, 2021 21:50:56 GMT -5
Julia Hart is the defacto manager of The Varsity Blondes who have now have the Top Tag Contender spot again, so that might open doors for the Dynamite appearance. The match allows for them to be there supporting her, potentially on commentary building to a match or having a confrontation while she competes.
Is this Penelope's first appearance since Miro shattered her husband's hand and caused him to get career stalling surgery? Seems like an opportunity for her to have a moment with Miro after or before her match. A chance for him to encourage her to find her inner-self and abandon her husband's weakness so she can become strong like him.
I see story possibilities but we're left waiting to see what is the plan. I mean, chances are it could be a filler match on a filler episode on a filler night that exists to not lay too much blame on the female performers for lower ratings (of course, I was reading a Twitter discussion earlier on how two or three female based action movies bombed [Elektra, Aeon Flux], therefore the studios reversed course to the point that we're just now starting to get some more serious efforts but not even getting a Black Widow movie until her character is canonically dead from being in all the other people's films).
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Post by Blade on Jun 14, 2021 21:52:46 GMT -5
Like, I get the frustration when it's always wait wait wait for AEW to push the women and give them consistent spots (that aren't Britt Baker). Absolutely. They have the talent, there is no reason for them not to be given spots on Dynamite and storylines every week.
But with that being said, that was some weird jumping to conclusions based on a single announced match that we don't even know the reason for yet, and drawing any conclusions on Baker at this point is pretty immature given we have no idea if she's staying heel or going face, fighting Nyla solo or in a three-way, or really... anything at all yet.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 14, 2021 21:54:36 GMT -5
Diamante has not been announced as a regular contracted roster member, so she's probably on a similar type deal to the Varsity Blondes or some of the Wing Men group.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 14, 2021 21:59:32 GMT -5
Yeah it's getting really frustrating at this point. People will make excuse after excuse though. Where is Riho? She moved to the US. Shida revealed a new look...on Dark. 10pm is the problem? A holding pattern? Pinnacle and Inner Cirlcle can get 20 minutes of promo time though? Cody can get time, Bucks can get time, Miro can get time, Archer, Pac etc. They make time for all of them. The women though? Nah it's a holding pattern on a shit time so it's ok. I'm sure we'll see plenty of time for them when we are back on Wednesdays. I like to think I gave a pretty level headed response to the overall aspect of Hart/Ford being a match on a holding pattern Dynamite instead of jumping on the train that AEW just doesn't care about the women. They have proven time and again they clearly do want the women to be a focus and want to showcase them but why the hell would they put big matches on right now? Like really? They're not even doing that on the mens side. I get the notion of being pissed but we could just do without people not seeing this shit as a big deal as "Excuses" when I'd just like to see how things keep being presented when touring begins again before jumping on a hate/frustration wagon let alone to see what Ford/Hart leads to in terms of a match or story. The women's roster is stacked, it has so much talent, I'm just not worried about it especially not after last year. I think they have something great here and live crowds LOVE the girls. That's gonna matter.
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Post by markymark on Jun 14, 2021 22:00:46 GMT -5
I feel the only reason Penelope is back on Dynamite is to have her be Nyla stepping stone before Nyla meets Britt, Britt and Penelope had history together back when the Swole feud was on going, kinda expecting Nyla vs Penelope at the Saturday show.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 14, 2021 22:02:08 GMT -5
I feel the only reason Penelope is back on Dynamite is to have her be Nyla stepping stone before Nyla meets Britt, Britt and Penelope had history together in the past, kinda expecting Nyla vs Penelope at the Saturday show. If that turns out to be the case then at least it's building storyline to an inevitable clash. But I guess we'll have to see.
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Post by toodarkmark on Jun 15, 2021 0:05:16 GMT -5
Happy to see Penelope back on Dynamite!
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