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Post by Dub H on Jul 30, 2020 23:29:42 GMT -5
Yeh they already didnt have a stacked roster but they ate missing most of their top female wrestler ( britt,kris,yuka,riho among a few others)
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 31, 2020 2:07:19 GMT -5
Yeh they already didnt have a stacked roster but they ate missing most of their top female wrestler ( britt,kris,yuka,riho among a few others) They are and were literally without these people for periods of time: - Riho - Yuka Sakazaki - Shojo Nakahima - Bea Priestley - Big Swole (Was gone an exended period due to COVID) - Nyla (Out an extended period due to COVID) - Kris Statlander (Injury) - Britt Baker (Injury, but remains on screen) - Shanna Like do people realize for the onset Pandemic and Georgia tapings it was f***ing Shida soloing on her back pretty much with just Baker and Ford also around with a bunch of trainee/jobber girls? Like the women's division is still feeling the effects of the pandemic and injuries now, but holy shit it's a miracle the division even kept going in any capacity for the last few months, and now that they're trying to do something with it peeps are still finding ways to pick it apart. I get people being mad that the Tag Tourney is on Youtube but AEW is ALL ABOUT pushing Social Media as a big deal and getting those viewers, the Finals should be on TV I would think but the opening matches and such being a streaming special for me feels no different than the Mae Young Classics imo.
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Post by 4real on Jul 31, 2020 4:50:47 GMT -5
It seems AEW are still trying to figure the division out and as said have had a lot of injury problems & Covid hasn’t helped.
I still think they need a big marquee star as well. WWE has the monopoly on those though.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 31, 2020 6:51:07 GMT -5
They definitely need to do it better.
WWE may often have shitty booking but their women get way more TV time.
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Post by eJm on Jul 31, 2020 6:57:45 GMT -5
What I will say, and always say, about WWE's women's division is this;
Just yesterday, we found out the company made $44m in profit. All from doing 99% of shows in one location.
They have deals out the wazoo worth about $3bn over 5-10 years.
They're worth $5.4bn.
If they didn't have the best women's division in the world, they'd be doing something dramatically f***ing wrong.
"Why did Mercedes Martinez choose WWE over AEW?"; Read the above. They have the resources to counter literally every offer anyone else would make.
But on the flip side, and where I agree with others is looking at Impact's women's division.
Anthem doesn't have the same resources, TV deals and merchandise sales but what they DO have is a better structure to make sure all the women get on the show or at least have a presence over weeks.
Thus, I'd argue they're the second best women's division in North America if not the world.
So honestly, they're a much fairer comparison to make because, well, they aquired (and are still aquiring) talent that by all accounts WWE would probably grab in a heartbeat if they could and there's a damn good reason for it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 31, 2020 8:04:28 GMT -5
On the issues AEW hasn't had control over, it's certainly pretty notable how many of their women have been impacted by the pandemic, whether due to health issues or travel restrictions, including a decent slice of their upper card women and quality part-timers who could be relied on to put on solid matches or be good one-off challengers for the title (off the top of my head: Riho, Priestly, Shanna, Hayter, Yuka, Sakura). This undoubtedly undid a lot of possible booking/story ideas, then got combined with injuries to Baker and Statlander and extended absences for Swole and Nyla to make for a rough time for them. They signed Anna Jay and Abadon presumably to try and make up some of the difference, but if I had to guess they probably want a story to start for each of them before pushing either towards Shida; both of them being back on programming this week hopefully bodes well on that front.
I'll also give them this: despite the reduced roster, they actually do have multiple storylines for people who aren't just challenging the champion going on in the division, mainly the Swole/Baker feud, the Allie/Brandi tension, and making a point of promoting Nyla getting a manager, which potentially dovetails into storylines of Vickie looking for other talent to sign. Doing this while Shida acts as the "open challenge" workhorse champion is at least a decent holding pattern until the roster numbers get back up, and admittedly it's not easy to dedicate a ton of ring time to it when you still have so many people missing and when the biggest story of those three, Swole/Britt, involves one participant who's injured right now and another who could have to step back at a moment's notice due to her immune system issues. Lot of tough luck, here, to be sure, since I think you're basically left with Shida, Penelope, Nyla, Brandi, and Allie as the full-time available women who don't need to be built up too much before getting them into storylines and who can go without restrictions in the ring.
All of that said I do think questions need to be asked, and where it sticks out the most is how successful Impact's been in recent months with bringing in some quality women to their roster, including notable names like Purrazzo and Kimber Lee as well as up and comers like Tasha Steelz. Even ROH was starting to get their women's roster into a better place before the pandemic hit, and their division couldn't have gotten much lower than where it was around the end of 2019. If promotions with fewer resources than AEW can pull that off, why can't they? As mentioned previously, nobody's doubting that AEW faces a tough challenge in trying to compete with WWE for upper echelon female talent, but if the other companies can bring some names in, then what's the holdup with AEW?
It's possible that some women just aren't looking to sign for whatever reason; I imagine some will go with a smaller promotion where they feel there's more a guarantee they'll get featured in a top spot, thus building up their asking price next time they're in the market for a new contract and might have the bigger companies knocking, for example, something plenty of guys do, as well. But it's still curious how it's panned out this way when AEW is one of the few companies currently running regular shows and hiring while being capable of spending more money than the smaller promotions. I'm interested in hearing if there's something driving that, whether it's bad luck, down to individual business choices, or if there's some kind of perception built up about signing there at this stage.
Basically, I doubt there's ill intent on AEW's part, and there's been a lot of rotten luck for them given world circumstances, too, but the numbers are the numbers and it still stands out. Again, I think at least some of this comes down to the individual talent; like, I have a hard time imagining that there isn't a contract waiting for Priscilla Kelly, yet she remains unsigned. But again, when Impact's able to rebuild their women's division pretty quickly during the pandemic it does raise an eyebrow.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 31, 2020 9:12:03 GMT -5
There is only so much they can do right now. It’s been said: WWE has all the women worth wanting. The best ones they had all got injured. And travel restrictions mean they can’t bring in very many fresh faces. They are just improvising until they have more available.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 31, 2020 9:22:24 GMT -5
What I will say, and always say, about WWE's women's division is this; Just yesterday, we found out the company made $44m in profit. All from doing 99% of shows in one location. They have deals out the wazoo worth about $3bn over 5-10 years. They're worth $5.4bn. If they didn't have the best women's division in the world, they'd be doing something dramatically f***ing wrong. "Why did Mercedes Martinez choose WWE over AEW?"; Read the above. They have the resources to counter literally every offer anyone else would make. But on the flip side, and where I agree with others is looking at Impact's women's division. Anthem doesn't have the same resources, TV deals and merchandise sales but what they DO have is a better structure to make sure all the women get on the show or at least have a presence over weeks. Thus, I'd argue they're the second best women's division in North America if not the world. So honestly, they're a much fairer comparison to make because, well, they aquired (and are still aquiring) talent that by all accounts WWE would probably grab in a heartbeat if they could and there's a damn good reason for it. I dont think you can say Impact has second best of the world when Japan has f***ing amazing women wrestling companies.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jul 31, 2020 9:36:54 GMT -5
What I will say, and always say, about WWE's women's division is this; Just yesterday, we found out the company made $44m in profit. All from doing 99% of shows in one location. They have deals out the wazoo worth about $3bn over 5-10 years. They're worth $5.4bn. If they didn't have the best women's division in the world, they'd be doing something dramatically f***ing wrong. "Why did Mercedes Martinez choose WWE over AEW?"; Read the above. They have the resources to counter literally every offer anyone else would make. But on the flip side, and where I agree with others is looking at Impact's women's division. Anthem doesn't have the same resources, TV deals and merchandise sales but what they DO have is a better structure to make sure all the women get on the show or at least have a presence over weeks. Thus, I'd argue they're the second best women's division in North America if not the world. So honestly, they're a much fairer comparison to make because, well, they aquired (and are still aquiring) talent that by all accounts WWE would probably grab in a heartbeat if they could and there's a damn good reason for it. I dont think you can say Impact has second best of the world when Japan has f***ing amazing women wrestling companies. I think that’s probably why he specified “division”
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Post by Dub H on Jul 31, 2020 9:38:13 GMT -5
I dont think you can say Impact has second best of the world when Japan has f***ing amazing women wrestling companies. I think that’s probably why he specified “division” Does a company being women-only not make it a division? Legit asking because I didn't think it did
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jul 31, 2020 9:43:53 GMT -5
I think that’s probably why he specified “division” Does a company being women-only not make it a division? Legit asking because I didn't think it did I mean I don’t know the technical answer lol but I just assumed division meant something designated/separated, so a promotion without more than one wouldn’t need the distinction (I guess tags still are) but now that I think of it I’m not sure lol
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Post by eJm on Jul 31, 2020 10:31:01 GMT -5
For the record, I meant division as in part of a company.
An all women’s company has different divisions within it rather than a segregated one so that’s why I didn’t count them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 22:07:10 GMT -5
Another week, another sub-two-minute women’s match on Dynamite. It’s so jarring because every men’s match gets plenty of time, sometimes too much. They all went close to 15 or 20 minutes.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 5, 2020 23:05:11 GMT -5
Seriously. Like I said in the Dynamite thread (it was the last post of a page so probably buried a bit) - the bit with Rebel and Swole would, in the context of a healthy division, feel like a creative swerve that did something funny with Britt's personality. But, well, since the division feels like it is funded with the scraps of the company's budget and time, it felt like the whole thing was a desperate attempt to make time that wasn't meaningless or blowing a worthwhile match. That could have been a debut for someone with a good look and brutal offense - and there are several women on the indies who would absolutely fit that bill. What could have been a triumph for Swole on her way to fighting Britt was instead a punchline about Britt, and while that was entertaining, I question if it was the best choice or just the choice that was available to make.
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Post by Celgress on Aug 5, 2020 23:08:03 GMT -5
It is their greatest current weakness. The women are consistently presented as an afterthought on the A Show, IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 23:09:07 GMT -5
It’s like Kenny lost interest in booking the division.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 5, 2020 23:09:52 GMT -5
Khan's getting a lot of heat for next weeks card not having a women's match announced again. The Deadly Draw's been a good start but he really needs to start announcing a women's match in advance because I think it's wearing on some people even with the circumstances of the division as they are.
Guess we'll see. They definitely didn't get much time this week and Shida desperately needs a feud for All Out. With the likes of Allison Kay, Thunder Rosa, and Ashley Vox no longer attached to NWA, they really need to pull a trigger imo.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 5, 2020 23:11:23 GMT -5
It’s like Kenny lost interest in booking the division. Kenny, Brandi, and others book and oversee the girls, it's just a matter of the talent they currently have and building them up the best they can. It's a matter of "Do they really wanna do Shida/Nyla 2 so soon again?" because that's what it feels like, otherwise they really need to dig out a talent and soon to jumpstart things.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 5, 2020 23:16:33 GMT -5
It’s like Kenny lost interest in booking the division. That's the one thing I wouldn't say. It feels like there is engagement there, because there is still good content. The thing is that that content has to be warped and stretched in these tiny little bite size pieces in order to make sure that the worthwhile matches don't happen before the big shows. Britt/Swole is legitimately a fantastic feud where every beat is creative and interesting, but it's also got a month left until it produces an actual match. That wouldn't be bad, if it weren't the only thing happening for the women besides a tournament relegated to Youtube and the occasional title matches. But the budget...they sure seem to have money for every huge white guy that becomes available to add to their beyond stacked men's roster, but not for enough women to actually fill out a roster? The tag tournament is absolutely helping, because both matches so far have had great booking and interesting seeds for the future, but they really won't solve the issues with the roster unless they commit however many million more dollars per year it'll take to fill out the numbers to where Penelope Ford has something, anything to do on a given week besides beat up Kenzie Paige or whatever.
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Post by Celgress on Aug 5, 2020 23:18:43 GMT -5
....Guess we'll see. They definitely didn't get much time this week and Shida desperately needs a feud for All Out. With the likes of Allison Kay, Thunder Rosa, and Ashley Vox no longer attached to NWA, they really need to pull a trigger imo. Shida's open challenge has been utterly pointless thus far. Cody's weekly challenger and Shida's non-existent challengers send the message the Women's Title doesn't matter unlike the TNT Title, which is a secondary men's title to boot, sorry AEW but the optics are terrible on this.
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