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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 6, 2020 23:00:34 GMT -5
I honestly feel at this point that saying something like "But the pandemic wrecked their roster" is giving them a pass that isn't being given to other companies or even elsewhere in AEW. The pandemic has effected everybody, but they made adjustments for it. It can be argued that AEW hasn't made the most of their adjustments. Shida is champion, but does she really feel like the most important woman on the roster? The pass isn't being made for WWE because the vast majority of their roster lives in the US. Hell, quite a few of them live in Florida. Not saying it has impacted AEW more than most would be patent dishonesty. As for the Shida thing, I do wonder. Hikaru Shida's very good, but outside of the Britt feud, she hasn't really had an angle. Even the Nyla feud was a feud, sure, but not really an angle, exactly. I know that they probably wanted to get something going with the challenge, and Diamante was not impressive for that, but that whole challenge thing works with Cody because he's already firmly established. I'd like to see Shida getting something going because, yeah, she's their champion, but she could be getting more shine than she's getting.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 6, 2020 23:02:03 GMT -5
I don't buy that at all. Today's wrestling audience is vastly different. They want badass women's wrestling, they want those larger than life female heroes. And what are you basing the idea on that showcasing the women more would be detrimental, after you noted how their ratings have been rising? The audience who already likes wrestling wants that. That audience is also incredibly shrinking. The casual fan, the ones who they have to attract to the product, do not. As if newer fans don't like bell-to-bell wrestling? They certainly do, at least way more than many of us diehards assume. If you give newcomers charismatic performers, and the bookers put them into roles on the show in good narratives that showcase their abilities, then it's easy to attract fresh wrestling fans of any gender spectrum.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 6, 2020 23:08:01 GMT -5
The audience who already likes wrestling wants that. That audience is also incredibly shrinking. The casual fan, the ones who they have to attract to the product, do not. As if newer fans don't like bell-to-bell wrestling? They certainly do, at least way more than many of us diehards assume. If you give newcomers charismatic performers, and the bookers put them into roles on the show in good narratives that showcase their abilities, then it's easy to attract fresh wrestling fans of any gender spectrum. Seriously. Every time I show a Shida match to a friend who has never even considered watching wrestling, the response is overwhelmingly positive.
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Post by flowercity on Aug 6, 2020 23:12:12 GMT -5
The audience who already likes wrestling wants that. That audience is also incredibly shrinking. The casual fan, the ones who they have to attract to the product, do not. As if newer fans don't like bell-to-bell wrestling? They certainly do, at least way more than many of us diehards assume. If you give newcomers charismatic performers, and the bookers put them into roles on the show in good narratives that showcase their abilities, then it's easy to attract fresh wrestling fans of any gender spectrum. I agree 100%. That’s what wrestling fans want. As you put it, they want bad asses. Where we disagree is that the audience is desperately wanting women heroes they can get behind. They want any hero.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 6, 2020 23:22:05 GMT -5
I think it's a mistake to think that women's wrestling only appeals to men or that women only want to watch women's wrestling. It's a diverse audience that likes women's wrestling and lots of women love watching men wrestle if certain sectors of the wrestling fandom are to be believed. Ultimately though, if you're going to have women's wrestling, make it respectable. While good women's wrestling may or may not be a specific draw for women, I'd be willing to bet that outright bad women's representation on the product (like, we're talking about 2000's WWE levels of bad) is a huge turnoff. I don't think AEW's come close to that point, but last night's 2 minute squash was closer than should be comfortable for them.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 6, 2020 23:45:36 GMT -5
As if newer fans don't like bell-to-bell wrestling? They certainly do, at least way more than many of us diehards assume. If you give newcomers charismatic performers, and the bookers put them into roles on the show in good narratives that showcase their abilities, then it's easy to attract fresh wrestling fans of any gender spectrum. I agree 100%. That’s what wrestling fans want. As you put it, they want bad asses. Where we disagree is that the audience is desperately wanting women heroes they can get behind. They want any hero. Okay, so what do you feel a newcomer to AEW, women especially, would need to see in particular- outside of basically great wrestling and exciting feuds- to make them a devoted fan?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 7, 2020 0:23:01 GMT -5
I think it's a mistake to think that women's wrestling only appeals to men or that women only want to watch women's wrestling. It's a diverse audience that likes women's wrestling and lots of women love watching men wrestle if certain sectors of the wrestling fandom are to be believed. Ultimately though, if you're going to have women's wrestling, make it respectable. While good women's wrestling may or may not be a specific draw for women, I'd be willing to bet that outright bad women's representation on the product (like, we're talking about 2000's WWE levels of bad) is a huge turnoff. I don't think AEW's come close to that point, but last night's 2 minute squash was closer than should be comfortable for them. I feel like this week they were held to time constraints from all the promos and the debate getting a good 15 minutes plus of time. I mean before this Shida/Diamante and Diamante/Ivelisse got some good TV time, they just really need to give Shida more spotlight and a feud, they've done a good job of building up Baker/Swole like every week but she's the champ. Even if the title match at All Out is an open challenge, make it so, and maybe the opponent is a surprise and reveals themselves to start a couple weeks of build like a Sienna. That'd be huge for them. But we'll see what they do.
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Post by Shark on Aug 7, 2020 1:37:54 GMT -5
The pass isn't being made for WWE because the vast majority of their roster lives in the US. Hell, quite a few of them live in Florida. Not saying it has impacted AEW more than most would be patent dishonesty. As for the Shida thing, I do wonder. Hikaru Shida's very good, but outside of the Britt feud, she hasn't really had an angle. Even the Nyla feud was a feud, sure, but not really an angle, exactly. I know that they probably wanted to get something going with the challenge, and Diamante was not impressive for that, but that whole challenge thing works with Cody because he's already firmly established. I'd like to see Shida getting something going because, yeah, she's their champion, but she could be getting more shine than she's getting. the roster was wrecked but thats because of how many women they were relying on are international. Riho, Shida,Yuka, Shanna, Gibbs, and Priestley. That is 6 women that were international .. and that doesn't include Jayme Hayter and Emi Sakura that were used on Dynamite as well. Now Shida did come over full time so we will put that at 5 women that were lost... 7 if you want to include Emi and Jayme. Now that being said, if you want to argue that AEW ignored domestic talent to showcase international talent with international commitments that would prevent full time exposure in AEW? That is a very valid conversation that I agree to since it became very evident way before the pandemic that AEW would not have several women they clearly wanted to showcase full time at least for awhile... that was poor planning and they do deserve flak for that. Now the division is not completely lost. They have a couple pieces that are good building blocks especially since Britt Baker found her groove as a heel. But they gotta add depth. As I mentioned earlier, use the Deadly Draw and fill out the division Difference is, their talent was overseas when it happened. WWE keeps everyone in Florida and moves them there frankly. They didn't lose any girls, Impact's girls were also living in the states for the most part, so they didn't lose anyone either. AEW has a thing where their foreign talents could still live and compete overseas, and of course nobody planned for a global pandemic, so all the Joshi were over in Japan as was Bea Priestley and Jamie Hayter, PAC, Shanna, and others, and they got locked out of coming back and still are. It is a major issue, and I get that it's not a complete blanket excuse, but of all the women's divisions out there, this impacted AEW the hardest and it's not even close, and that's not even factoring major injuries to two of the top talent in Baker and Statlander was just a giant kick while they were down. Just quoting all of these at once for simplicity sake. Just something else to consider is that not all of the girls caught overseas during the pandemic were really integrated on AEW programming or involved in angles. Bea Preistly was involved with Nya, but that was largely it. Hayter hadn't been around in a while. Sadie Gibbs was inconsistent with AEW. Emi Sakura hadn't been around much if at all since late last year. My point mainly being that it wasn't really a sudden problem AEW was dealing with. These women weren't involved in major angles and suddenly became unavailable. And looking at WWE, while they haven't lost talent due to travel issues, they have been effected in 2 ways. 1, the way they shit the bed on handing the virus has caused problems still. Everything going on with Lana and her family has left her largely unavailable and that's caused the angle that was starting with her and Natalya, also MIA, to be put on pause. Natalya is one of their more reliable hands so her not being around can cause a dip in match quality. Another thing to remember; who are the 2 biggest stars in the women's division in WWE? Becky Lynch and Charlotte. Say whatever you want about their respective pushes, but losing them both in such short order is a big loss for WWE. Likely why they are putting so much behind Bayley and Sasha right now. I am certainly not saying they've been as negatively effected as AEW has been, but you can'y exactly say they've gotten off scott free either.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 7, 2020 2:25:50 GMT -5
The pass isn't being made for WWE because the vast majority of their roster lives in the US. Hell, quite a few of them live in Florida. Not saying it has impacted AEW more than most would be patent dishonesty. As for the Shida thing, I do wonder. Hikaru Shida's very good, but outside of the Britt feud, she hasn't really had an angle. Even the Nyla feud was a feud, sure, but not really an angle, exactly. I know that they probably wanted to get something going with the challenge, and Diamante was not impressive for that, but that whole challenge thing works with Cody because he's already firmly established. I'd like to see Shida getting something going because, yeah, she's their champion, but she could be getting more shine than she's getting. the roster was wrecked but thats because of how many women they were relying on are international. Riho, Shida,Yuka, Shanna, Gibbs, and Priestley. That is 6 women that were international .. and that doesn't include Jayme Hayter and Emi Sakura that were used on Dynamite as well. Now Shida did come over full time so we will put that at 5 women that were lost... 7 if you want to include Emi and Jayme. Now that being said, if you want to argue that AEW ignored domestic talent to showcase international talent with international commitments that would prevent full time exposure in AEW? That is a very valid conversation that I agree to since it became very evident way before the pandemic that AEW would not have several women they clearly wanted to showcase full time at least for awhile... that was poor planning and they do deserve flak for that. Now the division is not completely lost. They have a couple pieces that are good building blocks especially since Britt Baker found her groove as a heel. But they gotta add depth. As I mentioned earlier, use the Deadly Draw and fill out the division Difference is, their talent was overseas when it happened. WWE keeps everyone in Florida and moves them there frankly. They didn't lose any girls, Impact's girls were also living in the states for the most part, so they didn't lose anyone either. AEW has a thing where their foreign talents could still live and compete overseas, and of course nobody planned for a global pandemic, so all the Joshi were over in Japan as was Bea Priestley and Jamie Hayter, PAC, Shanna, and others, and they got locked out of coming back and still are. It is a major issue, and I get that it's not a complete blanket excuse, but of all the women's divisions out there, this impacted AEW the hardest and it's not even close, and that's not even factoring major injuries to two of the top talent in Baker and Statlander was just a giant kick while they were down. Just quoting all of these at once for simplicity sake. Just something else to consider is that not all of the girls caught overseas during the pandemic were really integrated on AEW programming or involved in angles. Bea Preistly was involved with Nya, but that was largely it. Hayter hadn't been around in a while. Sadie Gibbs was inconsistent with AEW. Emi Sakura hadn't been around much if at all since late last year. My point mainly being that it wasn't really a sudden problem AEW was dealing with. These women weren't involved in major angles and suddenly became unavailable. And looking at WWE, while they haven't lost talent due to travel issues, they have been effected in 2 ways. 1, the way they shit the bed on handing the virus has caused problems still. Everything going on with Lana and her family has left her largely unavailable and that's caused the angle that was starting with her and Natalya, also MIA, to be put on pause. Natalya is one of their more reliable hands so her not being around can cause a dip in match quality. Another thing to remember; who are the 2 biggest stars in the women's division in WWE? Becky Lynch and Charlotte. Say whatever you want about their respective pushes, but losing them both in such short order is a big loss for WWE. Likely why they are putting so much behind Bayley and Sasha right now. I am certainly not saying they've been as negatively effected as AEW has been, but you can'y exactly say they've gotten off scott free either. They also lost: Riho that was feuding with Penelope Yuka that was feuding with Britt Kris that was feuding with Nyla / Shida. And then Britt that was feuding with most people The only people they have left that are some sort of talent for the woman are Nyla ,Shida and Swole And yes WWE has most of the amazing female wrestlers ready to go, they have a whole backlog of them living in florida that aew cant even get if they hired all indie wrestlers in the us
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 7, 2020 4:51:10 GMT -5
Just quoting all of these at once for simplicity sake. Just something else to consider is that not all of the girls caught overseas during the pandemic were really integrated on AEW programming or involved in angles. Bea Preistly was involved with Nya, but that was largely it. Hayter hadn't been around in a while. Sadie Gibbs was inconsistent with AEW. Emi Sakura hadn't been around much if at all since late last year. My point mainly being that it wasn't really a sudden problem AEW was dealing with. These women weren't involved in major angles and suddenly became unavailable. And looking at WWE, while they haven't lost talent due to travel issues, they have been effected in 2 ways. 1, the way they shit the bed on handing the virus has caused problems still. Everything going on with Lana and her family has left her largely unavailable and that's caused the angle that was starting with her and Natalya, also MIA, to be put on pause. Natalya is one of their more reliable hands so her not being around can cause a dip in match quality. Another thing to remember; who are the 2 biggest stars in the women's division in WWE? Becky Lynch and Charlotte. Say whatever you want about their respective pushes, but losing them both in such short order is a big loss for WWE. Likely why they are putting so much behind Bayley and Sasha right now. I am certainly not saying they've been as negatively effected as AEW has been, but you can'y exactly say they've gotten off scott free either. They also lost: Riho that was feuding with Penelope Yuka that was feuding with Britt Kris that was feuding with Nyla / Shida. And then Britt that was feuding with most people The only people they have left that are some sort of talent for the woman are Nyla ,Shida and Swole And yes WWE has most of the amazing female wrestlers ready to go, they have a whole backlog of them living in florida that aew cant even get if they hired all indie wrestlers in the us People also forget Nyla and Swole were gone well over a month during the Georgia Tapings. Shida was basically carrying the division on her back with not much help. Like it was a sequence of events, the initial lockout, Nyla and Swole not initially showing up when Nyla was the champion, certain other wrestlers had travel woes like Abadon, then Britt and Statlander both got hurt Like I want to see how some people would book a division with all the crap they've gone through since March, it's been whacked over the head with one thing after the other and then people want to call it "Horrible" or "Almost as bad as Women of Honor". I honestly think we're lucky that Shida's here and healthy, Britt's still been given prominant mic time to stay relevant, and The Deadly Draw is even happening to try and give some more development tbh. The girls need to be built back up, but people also need to realize, they've taken several blows over COVID, not just an initial incident.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 7, 2020 7:45:38 GMT -5
I think it's a mistake to think that women's wrestling only appeals to men or that women only want to watch women's wrestling. It's a diverse audience that likes women's wrestling and lots of women love watching men wrestle if certain sectors of the wrestling fandom are to be believed. Ultimately though, if you're going to have women's wrestling, make it respectable. While good women's wrestling may or may not be a specific draw for women, I'd be willing to bet that outright bad women's representation on the product (like, we're talking about 2000's WWE levels of bad) is a huge turnoff. I don't think AEW's come close to that point, but last night's 2 minute squash was closer than should be comfortable for them. I feel like this week they were held to time constraints from all the promos and the debate getting a good 15 minutes plus of time. I mean before this Shida/Diamante and Diamante/Ivelisse got some good TV time, they just really need to give Shida more spotlight and a feud, they've done a good job of building up Baker/Swole like every week but she's the champ. Even if the title match at All Out is an open challenge, make it so, and maybe the opponent is a surprise and reveals themselves to start a couple weeks of build like a Sienna. That'd be huge for them. But we'll see what they do. Time constraints based on other things on the show is a lame excuse, because it’s self-imposed. They booked the show to have all those promos and to give a heatless Best Friends/PNP match 2 segments. If they wanted to, they could’ve carved out more time for the women.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 7, 2020 7:55:54 GMT -5
Why are ratings the reason that they should not feature the women more? If the best ratings would be had with no women’s division should they do that too? I think the point is more about representation than ratings. Having no women would definitely hurt ratings so your example doesn’t work. Regardless, if you’re putting more women on the show because of representation, and it drives off women viewers, then what is actually being done? Women are not staying away from wrestling because women aren’t represented enough. . You seem to still be concentrating on the ratings for women being the reason for featuring women’s wrestling. The reason at least for me is more for the female talent themselves, as well as for representation/equality purposes (the latter of which was something AEW seemed to trumpet when they were forming).
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 7, 2020 8:00:44 GMT -5
I feel like this week they were held to time constraints from all the promos and the debate getting a good 15 minutes plus of time. I mean before this Shida/Diamante and Diamante/Ivelisse got some good TV time, they just really need to give Shida more spotlight and a feud, they've done a good job of building up Baker/Swole like every week but she's the champ. Even if the title match at All Out is an open challenge, make it so, and maybe the opponent is a surprise and reveals themselves to start a couple weeks of build like a Sienna. That'd be huge for them. But we'll see what they do. Time constraints based on other things on the show is a lame excuse, because it’s self-imposed. They booked the show to have all those promos and to give a heatless Best Friends/PNP match 2 segments. If they wanted to, they could’ve carved out more time for the women. PNP/Best Friends is a nice little B feud in the tag division which they set up with a fun match and the subsequent arrival in the Van, destruction of the van, and callout for the rematch. I don't mind them developing a story over the course of the show and giving it purpose and reason. I get the point is you wanna see that more with the girls, but I'm not gonna throw other segments under the bus this week because I thought everything clicked rather well. They just need to fit more time for the girls, I hope whatever women's match is announced this week gets some attention.
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Post by markymark on Aug 7, 2020 8:00:46 GMT -5
Man, Swole vs Rebel lost 93k viewers, but thing is that the Swole/Britt feud has been way too 1 sided, it has been like centuries since Britt got the upperhand.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 7, 2020 10:00:23 GMT -5
Man, Swole vs Rebel lost 93k viewers, but thing is that the Swole/Britt feud has been way too 1 sided, it has been like centuries since Britt got the upperhand. I think a combination of heavy commercials and the OC Jericho ending played a part on it
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 7, 2020 10:05:51 GMT -5
Man, Swole vs Rebel lost 93k viewers, but thing is that the Swole/Britt feud has been way too 1 sided, it has been like centuries since Britt got the upperhand. I think a combination of heavy commercials and the OC Jericho ending played a part on it And like, let's be real: how many people quickly determined that it would be a short segment where nothing especially exciting happened when they did the math on how much time the main event would get? Because as soon as the segment started and I figured in how long the main event was, I knew it was going to be a two minute squash match even before the reveal/punchline. Everyone knows Mox/Darby isn't going to be five minutes.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 7, 2020 11:28:04 GMT -5
Ok, feeling like there are way too many scorching hot takes going around concerning AEW and anything involving women's wrestling of late.
I'm going to go back to a point I made earlier: it's fair to hold AEW to account where they could easily be doing better, but it's also nonsense to craft some kind of narrative we have no evidence for basis for and in effect blaming them for things they can't so easily control.
On that latter point, we've seriously had people here saying AEW "doesn't care about its women's division", and, I'm sorry, that's demonstrably false and a silly direction to be taking the overall discussion in. Most of us lived through the Diva Search/Johnny Ace era of women's wrestling in WWE; that was an example of not caring about women's wrestling, not just because the women were mostly used for titillation and little else, but mainly because the fans did not care about the bulk of the women in WWE during that time, the era of "Diva's piss break matches" and endless feuds based around "the heel called the face ugly!" or something equally reductive and uninteresting.
Contrast that with AEW's division right now, and what is abundantly clear is that the women they bring in full time are over. They've had feuds, they've had marquee matches, they have gimmicks, and some of their matches have been among the company's best of the year, all meaning that the women get reactions, sell merch, etc. all going back to when crowds were still present and popping for Riho or giving heat to Nyla, for example. If they didn't care about their division, none of them would be over. That clearly isn't the case.
We also had someone say that AEW intentionally passed on Deonna Purrazzo; as mentioned previously, there's apparently no evidence that this is the case. If anything, the only word we have on the subject is from Deonna herself, who says she opted to go to Impact because she wanted to rebuild her value after a run where she felt underused in NXT before taking a shot at the two biggest promotions again, which would allow her to up her asking price. There's no reason for us to be making shit up to suit a narrative on any of this.
Hell, even the AEW Heels stuff...we've got people complaining over what's essentially a fan club. Yeah, I agree it looks weird as hell to charge for what seems to be a reddit page where women can talk wrestling without dudes crashing in and doing all the stuff we know would happen, but the press release mentions other perks members get. Are the perks worth it? I have no @#$%ing idea, nor does anyone here know, because none of us are members and the damn thing hasn't even launched yet. Hey, if it launches and it's "pay $50 to use a chat board" then yeah, fire away, but that hasn't happened yet.
Again, if you want talk about what they can do better, then focus on what they can control or what they've actively screwed up. Having only a three minute squash for women's material this week? Not a good look, I agree (it's nice it was attached to a legitimate storyline, but still)! You feel that having the women's tag tournament on YouTube feels too much like it's being treated as a B-tier thing? That's fair! Know of indy women who aren't signed elsewhere and you're wondering why AEW isn't bringing some of them in to compensate for their reduced numbers during the pandemic? Well, we might not know what the circumstances are for some of them not signing, but it's still a reasonable thing to ask about, especially when a smaller promotion like Impact has brought new faces in during this! Just please lay off the hot takes, it drags down the level of conversation we try to maintain here.
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Post by holyshida on Aug 7, 2020 11:52:10 GMT -5
We also had someone say that AEW intentionally passed on Deonna Purrazzo; as mentioned previously, there's apparently no evidence that this is the case. If anything, the only word we have on the subject is from Deonna herself, who says she opted to go to Impact because she wanted to rebuild her value after a run where she felt underused in NXT before taking a shot at the two biggest promotions again, which would allow her to up her asking price. There's no reason for us to be making shit up to suit a narrative on any of this. There's plenty of evidence that this was the case. Foe example around 16:30 in this interview she says she wanted to go to AEW. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffN7iZwRvfg She says this in multiple other interviews as well, she clearly wanted to go to AEW and the "she wanted to rebuild herself" is simply her trying to save face that AEW weren't intersted at that time. Also right after it was announced that she was with Impact, Kenny got lots of criticism on twitter and answered some fans that were criticising them on passing on her by saying "we're already happy with the women's division" which pretty much confirmed it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 7, 2020 12:09:57 GMT -5
We also had someone say that AEW intentionally passed on Deonna Purrazzo; as mentioned previously, there's apparently no evidence that this is the case. If anything, the only word we have on the subject is from Deonna herself, who says she opted to go to Impact because she wanted to rebuild her value after a run where she felt underused in NXT before taking a shot at the two biggest promotions again, which would allow her to up her asking price. There's no reason for us to be making shit up to suit a narrative on any of this. There's plenty of evidence that this was the case. Foe example around 16:30 in this interview she says she wanted to go to AEW. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffN7iZwRvfg She says this in multiple other interviews as well, she clearly wanted to go to AEW and the "she wanted to rebuild herself" is simply her trying to save face that AEW weren't intersted at that time. Also right after it was announced that she was with Impact, Kenny got lots of criticism on twitter and answered some fans that were criticising them on passing on her by saying "we're already happy with the women's division" which pretty much confirmed it. That wasn't evidence of anything besides "I have friends in AEW and there are matches I'd like to have there." She said she'd like to go to Impact, or back to Japan and other international wrestling, too. Literally none of us know if AEW "passed" on her. I mean, seriously, we've had people saying Women of Honor was booked better...I'm sorry, I was at Madison Square Garden when the WOH title got defended on one of the hottest shows of the year, and ROH failed to even get the crowd invested in Mayu freaking Iwatani, who is incredible, holding the title. It's a ridiculous comparison.
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Post by eJm on Aug 7, 2020 12:22:26 GMT -5
Wait, people were saying ROH booked their women's division better?
Did we forget that Tenille Dashwood did more in her brief cameo for AEW than ROH did with her for the entire time she was there?
Or signing the Beautiful People and making them a surprise at Madison Square Garden in the year of our lord 2019?
Or the fact Kelly Klien was thrown under the bus despite working her ass off as champion and getting concussed after a match?
Like, props to them for signing Session Moth Martina when she easily could have been in NXT UK right now but come on!
EDIT: Hell, let me say it right now, WWE's Divas division around 2006-2009? Better booked than WOH.
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