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Post by héad.casé on Aug 1, 2020 5:14:58 GMT -5
"A lot of the time, Vince says, 'Here's what we want to do' and he gives us the ball and let us figure out how to take it to the end zone. Again, when the idea was presented to me, I was aghast. I thought it was ridiculous and a bit of a joke. "But the more I thought about it and the more it came to pass I was like, 'OK, this will be different.' And it can be good and we don't have to scoff at everything right out of the gate – I don't want to be that person. Vince wasn't as hands on as people think that he was. If I'm going to break the fourth wall here, so to speak, it was really 99.9% myself, Rey Mysterio and Jamie Noble." "At the end of the day, you had Vince who made the final call on what the last shot was going to look like and that's pretty much it. There was a couple of versions of what that final shot would look like and we went with the one that we thought made the most sense. It was a joint-decision on everybody's behalf." "So at the end of the day, it was a product that I was pretty proud of. It was the first time I'd been able to be out there in the ring with a legend like Rey Mysterio for an extended period of time and, like I said, we had a really good wrestling match with a provocative finish and I was not upset about it one bit." "Obviously it's a match that has never been done before, I think people maybe tuned in out of morbid curiosity to see what would happen. I certainly did not expect to be in that match at any point leading up to it. When the stipulation was given to me, I was definitely caught off guard and didn't even really know how to prepare for it." "I've watched back a fair amount of Rey Mysterio matches over my lifetime and going into the match I tried to study First Blood matches because that was kind of the only thing and the only match type that I could understand was akin to an eye-for-an-eye match. I went back and studied some of those matches and saw how they were and how they went and stuff like that, so going into the eye-for-an-eye match, I knew it was going to be a mix of us trying to gauge each other's eyes out and getting one another in a position to do such a thing which would involve some actual professional wrestling." "At the end of the day, was it ideal? No. Did it catch people's attention? Sure. It ended up on TMZ, I think we sort of accomplished what wrestling wants to accomplish and that is we told a very interesting story and there was some outside interest in the finish even though it was very weird – and that's OK." "I think pro wrestling can just be one-on-one, hold-for-hold wrestling or it can be storytelling like any other form of television and I think that when you start to look at it too critically, especially stuff like that… I dunno, to me it reeks of 2020 trying to pick everything apart. If you like the Lake of Reincarnation in AEW but you hate the eye-for-an-eye match… you know what I mean? Then where are we really at here?" www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/07/seth-rollins-on-vince-mcmahon-eye-for-an-eye-match-role-673048/
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Post by eJm on Aug 1, 2020 5:27:13 GMT -5
"At the end of the day, was it ideal? No. Did it catch people's attention? Sure. It ended up on TMZ And your viewership has gone down ever since so... Also, I get what he’s saying but there’s a firm difference between “long term thing built by a worker from within several companies” and “WWE just decided people can pull eyes out for no reason”. Just because they’re different, doesn’t mean they’re the same kind of different.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 5:36:32 GMT -5
That's easily in Top 3 moments from this year in WWE. Easily made myself a fan of Seth friggin' Rollins again! #EYELIKEIT
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Post by Bad Moon on Aug 1, 2020 5:54:52 GMT -5
"I think pro wrestling can just be one-on-one, hold-for-hold wrestling or it can be storytelling like any other form of television and I think that when you start to look at it too critically, especially stuff like that… I dunno, to me it reeks of 2020 trying to pick everything apart. If you like the Lake of Reincarnation in AEW but you hate the eye-for-an-eye match… you know what I mean? Then where are we really at here?" www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/07/seth-rollins-on-vince-mcmahon-eye-for-an-eye-match-role-673048/The difference here is that when AEW promises something silly, they actually deliver on it and don't pull out like f***ing cowards. Eye for an eye was the shittiest finish since that Hell in a Cell DQ (and I just realised Rollins was involved in that one as well so maybe he's the common denominator)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 6:01:49 GMT -5
Eye don't see what was so wrong with the ending of the match?
I suppose I also waited for either glowing hand of Seth Rollins taking out Mysterio's eye with all magical effects and such, grasping it into vicious liquid. Or Seth Rollins turning into pirate. But we still got the thing pop out of ReyRey's socket between his fingers, LOL. The match itself was incredible!
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 1, 2020 6:34:50 GMT -5
"It ended up on TMZ" sir so did your wang
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 1, 2020 7:02:59 GMT -5
"I think pro wrestling can just be one-on-one, hold-for-hold wrestling or it can be storytelling like any other form of television and I think that when you start to look at it too critically, especially stuff like that… I dunno, to me it reeks of 2020 trying to pick everything apart. If you like the Lake of Reincarnation in AEW but you hate the eye-for-an-eye match… you know what I mean? Then where are we really at here?”/ Right now, Orton is showing those two things are not exclusively separate. I’m sorry, but I thought this was a bad stip from jump. Not only was the angle just downbeat with Rey getting injured, fighting for his revenge and finally losing, no less, but it was also super morbid. Who’s looking forward to seeing a gross, dangling eye ball from someone’s socket on a fun wrestling show?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 7:10:24 GMT -5
The only thing wrong with that match is that it wasn’t grosser and Seth didn’t swing the eyeball around, full retina, deadass.
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Post by thatloser on Aug 1, 2020 7:11:50 GMT -5
I dunno, to me it reeks of 2020 trying to pick everything apart. If you like the Lake of Reincarnation in AEW but you hate the eye-for-an-eye match… you know what I mean? Then where are we really at here?" I'm sorry Rollins but you need a better example. I mean while it originated in TNA, the Lake of Reincarnation was used in WWE before AEW used it.
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Post by 111111 on Aug 1, 2020 10:20:41 GMT -5
*everyone complains about the shitty ending to the match*
Seth: “stop blaming it on Vince, The match was 99% Me, Rey and Jamie ideas, the only 1% vince contributed to was choosing the ending”
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 10:21:56 GMT -5
"I think pro wrestling can just be one-on-one, hold-for-hold wrestling or it can be storytelling like any other form of television and I think that when you start to look at it too critically, especially stuff like that… I dunno, to me it reeks of 2020 trying to pick everything apart. If you like the Lake of Reincarnation in AEW but you hate the eye-for-an-eye match… you know what I mean? Then where are we really at here?" This is such a stupid argument. Matt Hardy's stuff embraces its inherent absurdity and is very tongue-in-cheek; the eye-for-an-eye angle was played completely straight. We're not expected to treat Matt getting nearly drowned and turning into Version 1 as anything other than a ridiculous comedy spot, while Rey holding a ping-pong ball to his face and wailing had the announcers doing their finest Owen voices. Once again Seth Rollins proves himself to be a thin-skinned moron.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 1, 2020 10:25:12 GMT -5
"I think pro wrestling can just be one-on-one, hold-for-hold wrestling or it can be storytelling like any other form of television and I think that when you start to look at it too critically, especially stuff like that… I dunno, to me it reeks of 2020 trying to pick everything apart. If you like the Lake of Reincarnation in AEW but you hate the eye-for-an-eye match… you know what I mean? Then where are we really at here?" This is such a stupid argument. Matt Hardy's stuff embraces its inherent absurdity and is very tongue-in-cheek; the eye-for-an-eye angle was played completely straight. We're not expected to treat Matt getting nearly drowned and turning into Version 1 as anything other than a ridiculous comedy spot, while Rey holding a ping-pong ball to his face and wailing had the announcers doing their finest Owen voices. Once again Seth Rollins proves himself to be a thin-skinned moron. Also, the Lake of Reincarnation was silly and unrealistic in like a fantastical kind of way. Even putting aside the booking, that's in a completely different world from WWE emulating the 1993 Cynthia Rothrock movie Undefeatable.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Aug 1, 2020 11:10:51 GMT -5
"I think pro wrestling can just be one-on-one, hold-for-hold wrestling or it can be storytelling like any other form of television and I think that when you start to look at it too critically, especially stuff like that… I dunno, to me it reeks of 2020 trying to pick everything apart. If you like the Lake of Reincarnation in AEW but you hate the eye-for-an-eye match… you know what I mean? Then where are we really at here?" www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/07/seth-rollins-on-vince-mcmahon-eye-for-an-eye-match-role-673048/The difference here is that when AEW promises something silly, they actually deliver on it and don't pull out like f***ing cowards. Eye for an eye was the shittiest finish since that Hell in a Cell DQ (and I just realised Rollins was involved in that one as well so maybe he's the common denominator) Comparing anything Broken Matt related to the Eye For An Eye shit is....an interesting choice. 👀
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 12:01:36 GMT -5
He really loves saying "at the end of the day" doesn't he?
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Aug 1, 2020 12:34:00 GMT -5
I agree with him to an extant. Now it is fair to say if one was done well and the other wasn't, but it also reminds of NXT fans loving Gargano matches well AEW fans seemed to hate him, but it's vice versa with Young Buck matches.
Like if you put Bucks vs. PnP and Gargano vs. Cole side by side the only real difference is one is singles and the other is tag. Both matches have storylines, both do wild shit and kickout of said wild shit, but you hate one and like the other huh? It's just weird to me.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 1, 2020 13:09:59 GMT -5
I agree with him to an extant. Now it is fair to say if one was done well and the other wasn't, but it also reminds of NXT fans loving Gargano matches well AEW fans seemed to hate him, but it's vice versa with Young Buck matches. Like if you put Bucks vs. PnP and Gargano vs. Cole side by side the only real difference is one is singles and the other is tag. Both matches have storylines, both do wild shit and kickout of said wild shit, but you hate one and like the other huh? It's just weird to me. Okay but how many people actually crap on Johnny Gargano but then go "You know who I really f***ing love for their restraint and storytelling? The Young Bucks". I think even among AEW fans who shittalk Gargano matches you're not going to find too many people upholding The Bucks as their standard.
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 1, 2020 13:11:31 GMT -5
"It ended up on TMZ" sir so did your wang
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Post by ToyfareMark on Aug 1, 2020 13:15:54 GMT -5
I almost lost my eye to my cat yesterday, if only I could have profited from it somehow. Instead I have a gash over my eyelash that I can't really treat lol.
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Post by eJm on Aug 1, 2020 13:58:19 GMT -5
The thing we also have to remember is the difference between Eye for an Eye and something like the Stadium Stampede is that AEW did enough to set up the fact something like that can happen with street fights and unsanctioned matches with various comedy spots within them and such.
With something like Eye for an Eye...when has WWE ever set up it’ll allow sanctioned matches where people lose a body part? Careers? Sure. Hair? Absolutely. Eyes? Like people have tried to take that stuff or blind people but...there’s never been a precedence for the company to allow that. So you’re just doing something for the sake of doing it and one that is f***ing crazy to allow.
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Aug 1, 2020 14:07:34 GMT -5
I feel like we have been having this same debate endlessly because it goes back to the whole...do you want to be sports oriented? or do you want to lean into being primarly a TV show because trying to middleground it while just being loose as elephant trunk with the interal logic and rules of your show like playing by real world rules when people are f***ing teleporting around your company does not f***ing work.
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