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Post by cjh on Aug 4, 2020 22:05:08 GMT -5
That seems like an odd edit, considering they didn't cut any of the other undercard matches like Crush vs. Repo Man or Natural Disasters vs. Beverly Brothers.
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Post by Muskrat on Aug 4, 2020 22:13:05 GMT -5
I feel there’s a pretty good reason it’s excluded
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Post by madness50 on Aug 4, 2020 22:20:44 GMT -5
They also changed the camera angles on Sherri’s assless chaps.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 4, 2020 22:27:07 GMT -5
That's kind of ridiculous if it was cut because Kamala is considered an offensive stereotype. James Harris made money for years doing that gimmick and I highly doubt he would want his match cut from the airing. I tuned in during the Macho/Warrior match so I didn't see everything but the cable listing only mentions about 5 things, so I thought they edited out various undercard matches. But this was the only edit?
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Post by Laces on Aug 5, 2020 0:28:04 GMT -5
I'm watching this right now, and I'm confused. It has a running time of four hours (10pm-2am) and they're showing Warrior/Savage. Did they cut other matches or was the main event always in the middle of the card?
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Aug 5, 2020 0:36:23 GMT -5
I'm watching this right now, and I'm confused. It has a running time of four hours (10pm-2am) and they're showing Warrior/Savage. Did they cut other matches or was the main event always in the middle of the card? Quite often back then you’d get a “double main event” and they’d put one of them half way through the card. I’ve always quite liked this type of booking as it prevents the crowd from getting burned out with so many big matches in a row towards the end. Warrior/Savage was the eighth match in the card that night. Taker/Kamala and Tatanka/Berzerker were after that and before Bref/Bulldog. |
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Aug 5, 2020 0:38:59 GMT -5
And when this originally aired in the UK a few days after the show, they cut Repo Man/Crush out of the broadcast (along with the three “dark matches” of Tatanka/Berzerker, Papa Shango/Matador and the six man tag).
They cut out some other stuff too, like there was a legends presentation at some point with (I think) Larry Hennig and Lord Alfred Hayes (who got a huge pop because he’s a Brit). I was at Wembley so I have a pretty good memory of it all.
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Post by Laces on Aug 5, 2020 0:55:37 GMT -5
I'm watching this right now, and I'm confused. It has a running time of four hours (10pm-2am) and they're showing Warrior/Savage. Did they cut other matches or was the main event always in the middle of the card? Quite often back then you’d get a “double main event” and they’d put one of them half way through the card. I’ve always quite liked this type of booking as it prevents the crowd from getting burned out with so many big matches in a row towards the end. Warrior/Savage was the eighth match in the card that night. Taker/Kamala and Tatanka/Berzerker were after that and before Bref/Bulldog. I was six when this happened so I didn't watch wrestling yet but it's interesting to watch this with very little prior knowledge. Thanks for the explanation, I appreciate it |
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Post by chazraps on Aug 5, 2020 1:39:27 GMT -5
That's kind of ridiculous if it was cut because Kamala is considered an offensive stereotype. James Harris made money for years doing that gimmick and I highly doubt he would want his match cut from the airing. OK, but it's also 2020. |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Aug 5, 2020 3:00:46 GMT -5
That's kind of ridiculous if it was cut because Kamala is considered an offensive stereotype. James Harris made money for years doing that gimmick and I highly doubt he would want his match cut from the airing. OK, but it's also 2020. It's obviously to protect Triple H's kids from googling Kamala Harris and questioning if one of grandpa's old timey wrestlers lost weight, had a sex change and got politically motivated. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 5, 2020 3:18:47 GMT -5
There's always something cut from these PPV airings, likely to fit the show's runtime with commercials. The more recent PPV airings seem to pick matches from people no longer in the company, but I could see an outdated stereotype being the best decision to run with when airing it on a sports channel designed to pick up lapsed viewers with less sports options available.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 5, 2020 3:57:46 GMT -5
Quite often back then you’d get a “double main event” and they’d put one of them half way through the card. I’ve always quite liked this type of booking as it prevents the crowd from getting burned out with so many big matches in a row towards the end. Warrior/Savage was the eighth match in the card that night. Taker/Kamala and Tatanka/Berzerker were after that and before Bref/Bulldog. I was six when this happened so I didn't watch wrestling yet but it's interesting to watch this with very little prior knowledge. Thanks for the explanation, I appreciate it Pre 80s WWWF would put the actual main event title match in the middle of the card. They would do this so they could set up an angle after the match and at the end of the night could announce to crowd what the title match would be the next time they returned. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 5, 2020 4:13:07 GMT -5
I was six when this happened so I didn't watch wrestling yet but it's interesting to watch this with very little prior knowledge. Thanks for the explanation, I appreciate it Pre 80s WWWF would put the actual main event title match in the middle of the card. They would do this so they could set up an angle after the match and at the end of the night could announce to crowd what the title match would be the next time they returned. And that's a tradition that carried on a lot longer than people realize. Saturday Night's Main Event would often put the main event in the middle to maximize the viewership of the WWF title match with Hogan in it. In fact. this same principle is very subtly used in the modern three hour Raw, where the big angle of the night will often take place around the end of the second hour. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Aug 5, 2020 5:43:38 GMT -5
They also changed the camera angles on Sherri’s assless chaps. “I’ve heard of Twin Peaks but Twin Cheeks?” |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 6:53:32 GMT -5
And when this originally aired in the UK a few days after the show, they cut Repo Man/Crush out of the broadcast (along with the three “dark matches” of Tatanka/Berzerker, Papa Shango/Matador and the six man tag). Stateside, we got those 3 latter matches on Prime Time (can't recall if they ran all in the same episode or over the course of a month)... omg, I've never heard of this and would love to see this. This, essentially, would've been His Lordship's last major WWF appearance I reckon; he was moreorless a voice, barely ever seen in Event Centers or interview segments, from this point on. |
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Post by ianriccaboni on Aug 5, 2020 8:19:23 GMT -5
I was six when this happened so I didn't watch wrestling yet but it's interesting to watch this with very little prior knowledge. Thanks for the explanation, I appreciate it Pre 80s WWWF would put the actual main event title match in the middle of the card. They would do this so they could set up an angle after the match and at the end of the night could announce to crowd what the title match would be the next time they returned. This plus when things were really humming on a weekend and there were two shows that day, it allowed Hogan (or sometimes Flair in NWA towns) to get going to the next town. The theory was if anyone needed to be there, it was the marquee match. Hogan often speaks in hyperbole but there were quite a few Saturday/Sundays from 1984 to 1986 where he wrestled up to four times. |
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Post by moonpies88 on Aug 5, 2020 8:25:25 GMT -5
Also 2 of the times Hogan lost the title it was not the main event
Survivor Series and King pf the Ring
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Post by jason1980s on Aug 5, 2020 10:12:51 GMT -5
It was probably for the gimmick but as much as Kamala has complained about his pay for the show maybe they match should be taken off. I think someone, or multiple people, fed him false info about the pay between he and Undertaker at the time and he's been complaining about it since the early 2000s at least. Kamala is a much kinder version of Billy Graham but he is a version of him. When WWF is not bringing him in, Kamala is complaining to the hills about his treatment by WWF.
I think what sucks even more for him is that the Hasbro toy company made a rare Kamala figure which never made it to toy shelves and is worthy a lot of money. I'd rather see Kamala have those and be able to sell them.
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Post by wildojinx on Aug 5, 2020 11:06:38 GMT -5
You'd think that Nailz/Virgil would have been cut since, you know, Kevin Walchoz physically attacked Vince.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 5, 2020 11:40:57 GMT -5
The Kamala character is interesting in that it was obviously an out of date stereotype even back then, but even as a kid I never thought he was representative of all of Uganda etc; but more a cartoon character.
I guess I always looked at him more like the opponents in Mike Tyson's Punchout!! where they were clearly broad stereotypes but over the top cartoonishly so as to be absurd.
That said, I'm not gonna go: "How dare you cancel Kamala?!" either. I mean you look the dude and you can't exactly defend it either.
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