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Post by 111111 on Aug 5, 2020 12:12:21 GMT -5
The Kamala character is interesting in that it was obviously an out of date stereotype even back then,. It was out of date in 1992 yet he was still making appearances as late as 2006.
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Post by 67 more on Aug 5, 2020 12:40:16 GMT -5
If they hypothetically cut it from the network, that's bullshit, it happened, you put it on TV, don't hide it because the point of the network is that it's an archive. I believe the same whenever something is removed from an archive service for cultural reasons. Put up a disclaimer detailing the offensive material then let the viewer decide whether to watch.
Some random reairing on TV, by all means, cut what you want from that, because that is your current output (even if it's a repeat, it's still what you're currently outputting if you're showing it on TV). Be smart and be considerate with what you are currently outputting.
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Post by James Fabiano on Aug 5, 2020 13:00:22 GMT -5
My first reaction was to reference the bad blood between Kamala and the WWE in the past, up to just years ago being part of the CTE lawsuit. But then again, others who were in that suit still appear on these FS1 airings, and NAILZ' match was kept. And the match that led to The Confrontation, no less.
But yeah...what others have said here sounds about right too. The match wasn't good at all, but Undertaker had a great entrance with the hearse.
I'm wondering if any other characters that didn't age well were left in FS1 airings? I know WM3 was there and Adrian Adonis was an over the top gay stereotype, though he was kind of toughened up in the Piper feud.
Has any "cancelling" been done on Network archives?
And I am another who thinks a disclaimer works, for entertainment in general. I do like when most of the original form of classic programs can be kept, when possible.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Aug 5, 2020 13:12:40 GMT -5
That's kind of ridiculous if it was cut because Kamala is considered an offensive stereotype. James Harris made money for years doing that gimmick and I highly doubt he would want his match cut from the airing. I tuned in during the Macho/Warrior match so I didn't see everything but the cable listing only mentions about 5 things, so I thought they edited out various undercard matches. But this was the only edit? James Harris isn't Ugandan and doesn't get to decide or deserve a say in the promotion of anti-African racism.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 5, 2020 13:20:38 GMT -5
The Kamala character is interesting in that it was obviously an out of date stereotype even back then,. It was out of date in 1992 yet he was still making appearances as late as 2006. Right. I mean the character was always out of date as it was based on stereotypes hundreds of years old.
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Post by James Fabiano on Aug 5, 2020 14:18:57 GMT -5
To lighten the mood....
You know what else was missing?
The match Hulk Hogan was in when he noticed the empty seat the subject of "Hulkster in Heaven" was supposed to be in.
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Post by Jake, The Jake, Jake on Aug 5, 2020 19:28:20 GMT -5
They also changed the camera angles on Sherri’s assless chaps. More upset about this, tbh.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 5, 2020 19:56:06 GMT -5
They also changed the camera angles on Sherri’s assless chaps. More upset about this, tbh. All chaps are assless. You’re welcome.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Aug 5, 2020 20:16:45 GMT -5
Some sects of Uganda still practice Cannibalism, granted none of them look a thing like Kamala, whos a 400 lb guy dressed as an 18th century Zulu warrior who arent from anywhere near Uganda and were largely vegetarian
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Aug 5, 2020 20:40:47 GMT -5
That's kind of ridiculous if it was cut because Kamala is considered an offensive stereotype. James Harris made money for years doing that gimmick and I highly doubt he would want his match cut from the airing. OK, but it's also 2020. So, pretending it didn't happen is preferable? Let's be real here, the gimmick is definitely cringy as hell, but to cut it out in general is whitewashing the history of WWE. It's pretty much them erasing a performer from history to cover their own mistakes. And just saying this preemptively: The Chris Benoit thing is totally different. Benoit being erased was as a result of his actions, as opposed to Kamala being removed as a result of a gimmick he was given.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Aug 5, 2020 20:54:15 GMT -5
So, pretending it didn't happen is preferable? Let's be real here, the gimmick is definitely cringy as hell, but to cut it out in general is whitewashing the history of WWE. It's pretty much them erasing a performer from history to cover their own mistakes. And just saying this preemptively: The Chris Benoit thing is totally different. Benoit being erased was as a result of his actions, as opposed to Kamala being removed as a result of a gimmick he was given. I thought Harris came up with the gimmick himself, but either way he was using it long before he came to WWE.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Aug 5, 2020 21:04:07 GMT -5
So, pretending it didn't happen is preferable? Let's be real here, the gimmick is definitely cringy as hell, but to cut it out in general is whitewashing the history of WWE. It's pretty much them erasing a performer from history to cover their own mistakes. And just saying this preemptively: The Chris Benoit thing is totally different. Benoit being erased was as a result of his actions, as opposed to Kamala being removed as a result of a gimmick he was given. I agree with this, in that it happened and pretending it didn't happen is just as ignorant. Put a commercial break in there and come back with a disclaimer about the match you're about to see, stating that it features a character that could be considered offensive to modern sensibilities and it does not reflect WWE's current views. Cutting it just draws more attention to it.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Aug 5, 2020 21:04:18 GMT -5
So, pretending it didn't happen is preferable? Let's be real here, the gimmick is definitely cringy as hell, but to cut it out in general is whitewashing the history of WWE. It's pretty much them erasing a performer from history to cover their own mistakes. And just saying this preemptively: The Chris Benoit thing is totally different. Benoit being erased was as a result of his actions, as opposed to Kamala being removed as a result of a gimmick he was given. I thought Harris came up with the gimmick himself, but either way he was using it long before he came to WWE. That's only part true. He was using it before WWF but he wasn't the one who came up with it. The story goes that he was not a good wrestler in the ring, but everybody loved him behind the scenes. They didn't want to get rid of him, but Jerry Jarrett had received reports from a show he'd booked him on that he looked like a guy who had never wrestled before. At that point Jarrett had the idea to make that into his gimmick: He was literally a guy who had never wrestled before, a savage who brutalized people with chops, stomps, biting and brawling tactics rather than actual wrestling. Thus, Kamala the Ugandan giant was born. Harris stuck with the gimmick long after he'd steamrolled the territories, simply because it was the gimmick that had made him a lot of money, and the only thing that had brought him any success as a wrestler. He'd gotten into the business because he needed the money, so he kept with the gimmick. That being said WWF could have pulled the plug on it anytime but didn't.
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Post by XIII on Aug 5, 2020 21:05:47 GMT -5
Kamala is one of the those gimmicks that is horribly outdated and completely racist but I always mark for it. So weird,
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Post by Muskrat on Aug 5, 2020 22:15:41 GMT -5
So, pretending it didn't happen is preferable? Let's be real here, the gimmick is definitely cringy as hell, but to cut it out in general is whitewashing the history of WWE. It's pretty much them erasing a performer from history to cover their own mistakes. And just saying this preemptively: The Chris Benoit thing is totally different. Benoit being erased was as a result of his actions, as opposed to Kamala being removed as a result of a gimmick he was given. To the best of my knowledge, nobody is pretending it didn’t exist. Haven’t checked the Network lately but has WWE removed him from all, and there’d be a lot, of his appearances on 80’s/90’s stuff on the Network? As far as I can tell, this seems like either Fox or WWE deciding “Huh, maybe this isn’t the best thing to play right now”. It’s foolish to say this is erasing him from history, it’s easy as all f*** to find him on old WWE footage. Somebody made the call to not show it on a replay in 2020. Nothing wrong with that
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Aug 5, 2020 23:22:10 GMT -5
So, pretending it didn't happen is preferable? Let's be real here, the gimmick is definitely cringy as hell, but to cut it out in general is whitewashing the history of WWE. It's pretty much them erasing a performer from history to cover their own mistakes. And just saying this preemptively: The Chris Benoit thing is totally different. Benoit being erased was as a result of his actions, as opposed to Kamala being removed as a result of a gimmick he was given. To the best of my knowledge, nobody is pretending it didn’t exist. Haven’t checked the Network lately but has WWE removed him from all, and there’d be a lot, of his appearances on 80’s/90’s stuff on the Network? As far as I can tell, this seems like either Fox or WWE deciding “Huh, maybe this isn’t the best thing to play right now”. It’s foolish to say this is erasing him from history, it’s easy as all f*** to find him on old WWE footage. Somebody made the call to not show it on a replay in 2020. Nothing wrong with that It just comes off as being dishonest as far as I'm concerned. It's like their whole "women's revolution" thing a few years back, it's an attempt by them to pretend to be something they're not. It's them pretending to be this big, all-inclusive entity which stands up for and supports these communities, when they are in fact the reason that progress needs to be in their company. I do think this is them trying to cover up his and generally pretend it never happened, whenever they do shit like this, they just sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened. I don't see this as a good progressive move, I see it as a cop out.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 5, 2020 23:40:02 GMT -5
So, pretending it didn't happen is preferable? Let's be real here, the gimmick is definitely cringy as hell, but to cut it out in general is whitewashing the history of WWE. It's pretty much them erasing a performer from history to cover their own mistakes. And just saying this preemptively: The Chris Benoit thing is totally different. Benoit being erased was as a result of his actions, as opposed to Kamala being removed as a result of a gimmick he was given. This isn't being aired on The History Channel. It's being broadcast on a sports channel. It's a wildly offensive stereotype and doesn't need to be part of a modern prime time airing on a channel where you wouldn't see such an image on anything else that they broadcast. It's not whitewashing. It's taking a step in the right direction to not promote something in 2020 that doesn't need to be promoted.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 5, 2020 23:41:32 GMT -5
So, pretending it didn't happen is preferable? Let's be real here, the gimmick is definitely cringy as hell, but to cut it out in general is whitewashing the history of WWE. It's pretty much them erasing a performer from history to cover their own mistakes. And just saying this preemptively: The Chris Benoit thing is totally different. Benoit being erased was as a result of his actions, as opposed to Kamala being removed as a result of a gimmick he was given. I agree with this, in that it happened and pretending it didn't happen is just as ignorant. Put a commercial break in there and come back with a disclaimer about the match you're about to see, stating that it features a character that could be considered offensive to modern sensibilities and it does not reflect WWE's current views. Cutting it just draws more attention to it. No, cutting it means people who aren't going out of their way to watch it don't have to be exposed to it. Nobody is hiding Kamala matches from the archives. They're opting not to promote it or profit from it in a current-day broadcast.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 5, 2020 23:43:18 GMT -5
To the best of my knowledge, nobody is pretending it didn’t exist. Haven’t checked the Network lately but has WWE removed him from all, and there’d be a lot, of his appearances on 80’s/90’s stuff on the Network? As far as I can tell, this seems like either Fox or WWE deciding “Huh, maybe this isn’t the best thing to play right now”. It’s foolish to say this is erasing him from history, it’s easy as all f*** to find him on old WWE footage. Somebody made the call to not show it on a replay in 2020. Nothing wrong with that It just comes off as being dishonest as far as I'm concerned. It's like their whole "women's revolution" thing a few years back, it's an attempt by them to pretend to be something they're not. It's them pretending to be this big, all-inclusive entity which stands up for and supports these communities, when they are in fact the reason that progress needs to be in their company. I do think this is them trying to cover up his and generally pretend it never happened, whenever they do shit like this, they just sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened. I don't see this as a good progressive move, I see it as a cop out. It's not pretending it never happened. How would they really benefit or show that they're taking steps in the right direction by keeping it in the broadcast?
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Post by James Fabiano on Aug 6, 2020 0:45:48 GMT -5
To the best of my knowledge, nobody is pretending it didn’t exist. Haven’t checked the Network lately but has WWE removed him from all, and there’d be a lot, of his appearances on 80’s/90’s stuff on the Network? As far as I can tell, this seems like either Fox or WWE deciding “Huh, maybe this isn’t the best thing to play right now”. It’s foolish to say this is erasing him from history, it’s easy as all f*** to find him on old WWE footage. Somebody made the call to not show it on a replay in 2020. Nothing wrong with that It just comes off as being dishonest as far as I'm concerned. It's like their whole "women's revolution" thing a few years back, it's an attempt by them to pretend to be something they're not. It's them pretending to be this big, all-inclusive entity which stands up for and supports these communities, when they are in fact the reason that progress needs to be in their company. I do think this is them trying to cover up his and generally pretend it never happened, whenever they do shit like this, they just sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened. I don't see this as a good progressive move, I see it as a cop out. Yes, the women's revolution did the same thing, in that they were slowly removing having to honor past eras of women's wrestling with A) people who were problematic, or B) problematic ways of booking women.
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