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Post by wrestlingrecap on Aug 6, 2020 14:38:04 GMT -5
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 6, 2020 21:03:48 GMT -5
Austin cut some of my favorite promos in all of wrestling during this feud.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 6, 2020 21:07:16 GMT -5
I do kind of wonder how the feud would go down with people nowadays. Probably a lot of impatience with how Austin couldn't get Hart's number, which, I'd understand that, but I think it worked great as it is.
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Post by britishbulldog on Aug 6, 2020 23:56:01 GMT -5
It showed how you can get more over by losing
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 0:01:04 GMT -5
The promos Austin cut before Survivor Series with the black and white filter, barking dogs, and music in the background are probably my all time favorites. There was a grittiness there that the current WWE product is severely lacking.
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Post by Barry Jobber 81 on Sept 26, 2020 10:08:40 GMT -5
I watched Hart vs. Austin at Survivor Series 1996. That was a great match which gets overshadowed by Hart vs. Michaels in Montreal. Hart reverses an Austin sleeper, gets both feet on the turnbuckles, and propels himself onto Austin and pinning him for the win. It's a similar finish to Hart's match with Rowdy Piper at Wrestlemania 8.
I wondered why Vince McMahon didn't have Bret drop the title to Austin at Survivor Series '97 instead of Shawn Michaels. They didn't have any animosity with each other backstage and Hart wouldn't have any issues with losing to Austin in Montreal.
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Post by CeilingFan on Sept 26, 2020 10:10:41 GMT -5
I watched Hart vs. Austin at Survivor Series 1996. That was a great match which gets overshadowed by Hart vs. Michaels in Montreal. Hart reverses an Austin sleeper, gets both feet on the turnbuckles, and propels himself onto Austin and pinning him for the win. It's a similar finish to Hart's match with Rowdy Piper at Wrestlemania 8. I wondered why Vince McMahon didn't have Bret drop the title to Austin at Survivor Series '97 instead of Shawn Michaels. They didn't have any animosity with each other backstage and Hart wouldn't have any issues with losing to Austin in Montreal. I think McMahon wanted Austin's coronation to occur at WrestleMania.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Sept 26, 2020 10:47:18 GMT -5
I watched Hart vs. Austin at Survivor Series 1996. That was a great match which gets overshadowed by Hart vs. Michaels in Montreal. Hart reverses an Austin sleeper, gets both feet on the turnbuckles, and propels himself onto Austin and pinning him for the win. It's a similar finish to Hart's match with Rowdy Piper at Wrestlemania 8. I wondered why Vince McMahon didn't have Bret drop the title to Austin at Survivor Series '97 instead of Shawn Michaels. They didn't have any animosity with each other backstage and Hart wouldn't have any issues with losing to Austin in Montreal. Probably because of his neck. Austin being forced to surrender the IC title had his neck deteriorated enough after his return is one thing, the world title is another.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 26, 2020 11:16:56 GMT -5
I think JR sells the feud almost immediately in the Survivor Series '96 match, saying something like how they're not garbagemen or whatever other strange gimmick fans had gotten tired of during the New Generation; they're wrestlers, and they're going to fight.
It also told such a great, simple story: Austin was so bitter and resentful of the satisfaction he had never fully found in his career, so he unleashed all his frustrations at the biggest name in the company, the son of wrestling royalty who had paved a relatively smooth road to the world title and success in and out of wrestling. Bret, for his part...didn't really care that much at first. Austin was just another guy looking to make his name at the Hitman's expense; sure, Bret recognized what a great wrestler Austin was, but he had seen that story play out a million times before, why should he get too worked up about Austin? Then they have their first big match, Austin desperately wants to win and prove his worth, but he forgets that Bret has a notable reversal out of sleeper-style holds, so Hart just uses his technique to pin Austin...not beat him, not brutalize him, not match his anger, Bret just...pins him. 1-2-3, match over. Tough luck, Steve, them's the breaks.
Of course, Stone Cold's gimmick was that he was basically a serial killer, so while Bret was ready to move on right away, Austin's obsession was just getting started.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Sept 26, 2020 14:02:57 GMT -5
The promos Austin cut before Survivor Series with the black and white filter, barking dogs, and music in the background are probably my all time favorites. There was a grittiness there that the current WWE product is severely lacking. I agree. I DON'T DANCE SON! I think it's down to the performers though more than even WWE or writers. Nobody has EVER believed in their character as much as Austin for me. Those stares at the camera had an intensity you just can't fake or manufacture.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Sept 26, 2020 15:00:04 GMT -5
It gave us the best double turn in wrestling history.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Sept 26, 2020 20:30:07 GMT -5
Great from start to finish
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Post by Kyle Butler on Sept 26, 2020 20:41:39 GMT -5
Still my favorite feud of all time. The second half of the ‘Cause Stone Cold Said So VHS (and later DVD) has a great recap of the feud with some funny Austin commentary over the footage too.
Never forget: “It ain’t over Bret, not as long as you’re breathin’ air”
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Post by BRAINFADE on Sept 27, 2020 5:05:50 GMT -5
In terms of week to week storytelling, it may be the best feud in pro wrestling history.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Sept 27, 2020 8:53:39 GMT -5
"Sunglasses and sparklers...what a load of crap."
Those two Survivor Series promos are 45 seconds long each and are more memorable than any 20 minute show-opening promo in history.
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Post by Hypnosis on Sept 27, 2020 9:18:50 GMT -5
"Sunglasses and sparklers...what a load of crap." Those two Survivor Series promos are 45 seconds long each and are more memorable than any 20 minute show-opening promo in history. But seriously, that Austin promo remains one of my favorites to this day due to the setting, production, and those savage quotes from him.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Sept 27, 2020 13:22:31 GMT -5
I think JR sells the feud almost immediately in the Survivor Series '96 match, saying something like how they're not garbagemen or whatever other strange gimmick fans had gotten tired of during the New Generation; they're wrestlers, and they're going to fight. It also told such a great, simple story: Austin was so bitter and resentful of the satisfaction he had never fully found in his career, so he unleashed all his frustrations at the biggest name in the company, the son of wrestling royalty who had paved a relatively smooth road to the world title and success in and out of wrestling. Bret, for his part...didn't really care that much at first. Austin was just another guy looking to make his name at the Hitman's expense; sure, Bret recognized what a great wrestler Austin was, but he had seen that story play out a million times before, why should he get too worked up about Austin? Then they have their first big match, Austin desperately wants to win and prove his worth, but he forgets that Bret has a notable reversal out of sleeper-style holds, so Hart just uses his technique to pin Austin...not beat him, not brutalize him, not match his anger, Bret just...pins him. 1-2-3, match over. Tough luck, Steve, them's the breaks. Of course, Stone Cold's gimmick was that he was basically a serial killer, so while Bret was ready to move on right away, Austin's obsession was just getting started. It's funny how it all worked out to create a storyline from the prologue (Austin calls out Bret in October 96) to the double turn at Wrestlemania 13 & it's after affects (The Hart Foundation is reunited as a faction) when both Steve & Bret are on the record that whole program after the initial match was largely thrown together due to the chaos happening behind the scenes in early 97.
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Post by angelofapocalypse on Sept 27, 2020 18:40:04 GMT -5
It was a blessing that both Bret hart and Steve Austin had a hand in helping the company to steer away from the campiness/goofy Gimmick town, that is.
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Post by agent817 on Sept 27, 2020 21:44:16 GMT -5
The promos Austin cut before Survivor Series with the black and white filter, barking dogs, and music in the background are probably my all time favorites. There was a grittiness there that the current WWE product is severely lacking. "Pink tights—what the hell is THAT all about, Bret? This ain't no ballet class. Sunglasses and sparklers? What a load of CRAP. So, Bret, you're coming back to continue a LEGACY? UH-UNH! Stone Cold's gonna make your comeback a living HELL. So, you can start begging for some mercy right now. You will beg for mercy—YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND IT! I think you're completely pathetic. You're the 'Best there is, was and ever will be'? Whatever! Son, you're looking at the best there is—Austin 3:16 rules! I will kick your pink-and-black ass all over the Garden. I'm gonna end your legacy. You WILL beg for mercy at Madison Square Garden."
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Post by nate5054 on Sept 27, 2020 23:50:55 GMT -5
The promos Austin cut before Survivor Series with the black and white filter, barking dogs, and music in the background are probably my all time favorites. There was a grittiness there that the current WWE product is severely lacking. WWE is massively over produced over processed garbage. Ok, it has its moments but still.
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