WWE Wrestlers rules for Twitch, New Update pg41

[Famous Rocking Chimes]

Can’t wait to see how Road Dogg, Mark Henry and Booker T somehow spin this into a positive thing.

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Sept 5, 2020 5:09:27 GMT -5 Famous Rocking Chimes said:

Can’t wait to see how Road Dogg, Mark Henry and Booker T somehow spin this into a positive thing.

This is funny 'cause it will probably happen. LOL.

[Feyrhausen]

Sept 4, 2020 20:56:35 GMT -5 boliv84 said:

Sept 4, 2020 20:39:43 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

I don't like to s*** on Old People for being Old, since someday I'll be Old myself (some people here would already consider me Old, I think), but this is the biggest "Old Man does Spitefully Stupid Thing because he resents the Younger Generations" moment Vince has had yet.

He has also in younger years been this way when he realises he doesn't get a cut from everything they do.

The most prominent example may be the fall of King Kong Bundy from Wrestlemania main eventer to released jobber. Bundy got 1987 a commercial offer from a Dutch computer company. Since it's in Europe, Bundy assumed nobody in wwf will get to know this and he did the ad without going through wwf and them taking a share. However somebody got wind of it, according to Bundy then Vince McMahon got angry at him and soon after he was not even a midcarder anymore.

Isn't the reason SGT Slaughter left in the 80s related to him working out the GI Joe deal without Vince?

[Famous Rocking Chimes]

By the way, does this mean Bruce Prichard will have to stop doing his podcasts with Conrad?

I mean probably not since he’s one of Vince’s boys, but just something to ponder.

[Mozenrath]

Sept 5, 2020 5:15:43 GMT -5 Feyrhausen said:

Sept 4, 2020 20:56:35 GMT -5 boliv84 said:

He has also in younger years been this way when he realises he doesn't get a cut from everything they do.

The most prominent example may be the fall of King Kong Bundy from Wrestlemania main eventer to released jobber. Bundy got 1987 a commercial offer from a Dutch computer company. Since it's in Europe, Bundy assumed nobody in wwf will get to know this and he did the ad without going through wwf and them taking a share. However somebody got wind of it, according to Bundy then Vince McMahon got angry at him and soon after he was not even a midcarder anymore.

Isn't the reason SGT Slaughter left in the 80s related to him working out the GI Joe deal without Vince?

Sort of. I think that Vince wanted a cut, and Slaughter walked out rather than share the Hasbro cash, sort of like Ventura with Sega.

[Feargus McReddit]

Sept 5, 2020 4:51:07 GMT -5 crowley1986 said:

It's a legal liability. If someone blurts out something lawsuit worthy (slander, for example) and the twitch channel is publicly perceived as being controlled by WWE (because it uses a WWE owned trademark), WWE could get dragged into the lawsuit.

Apparent authority and vicarious liability to use the legal terms.

Places like th NBA etc do this

So I’ll ask this again;

Why is there not a policy against what they tweet or put up on Instagram? Because I’ve seen worse come from people there then at any point on Twitch, Cameo or YouTube. So much so I can’t actually share it here.

And I’m not talking about Seth...

[Bad Moon]

Imagine it's your job to promote the people who sign with you so you can make money off their appearances at your events.
Then some of them go out of their way to promote themselves and your events on their own, at no extra cost to you. They're literally doing your job for you. And then you tell them to stop.
If WWE was a real business and not a de-facto monopoly beholden to noone except the whims of the 167 year old steroid-and-cocaine addled lunatic, you would be fired the day after.

[HMARK Center]

Concerning what a potential union would look like (not that I think it's about to happen right away or anything, unfortunately), I think it would likely start out WWE-only, beginning with things like a collective bargaining agreement that gets the wrestlers a much bigger share of company revenues than they currently receive. It's been mentioned before, but while the CBAs for the big leagues in the United States mostly guarantee the athletes somewhere in the vicinity of a 50/50 revenue split with owners, the wrestlers in WWE get, combined, about 10-12% of WWE's overall revenues. WWE would likely move to offer a full employment contract to the wrestlers it wants to keep full time, while others would probably be on a deal that makes them more like actual independent contractors; that wouldn't mean they could work literally any other wrestling show they want at any time (WWE would likely have a wide berth to argue that, say, going to AEW on a Wednesday could interfere with their contractual commitment to WWE), it'd at least mean that they'd have the freedom to make money outside of WWE in any way they please, outside of some kind of morality clause in the contracts they sign.

The dream would be to get to some kind of industry-wide standard. No, you couldn't expect indies and smaller companies to fully abide by it, many simply wouldn't have the resources to do so (e.g. think of someone making an indie movie without SAG performers or unionized crew), but there could still be things like a union scale to work off of and other benefits that negotiate certain terms on behalf of most wrestlers. That would take a lot of time to come together, though.

[government mule]

Vince is still like all of the carny promoters of the 70s and 80s. He will do a Verne Gagne and destroy his whole empire if left to his own devices. He must be stopped.

[Chainsaw]

Sept 5, 2020 5:09:27 GMT -5 Famous Rocking Chimes said:

Can’t wait to see how Road Dogg, Mark Henry and Booker T somehow spin this into a positive thing.

I'm sure they'll take the "If you've got time to lean, you've got time to clean" mentality and tell the kids to get off their phones and do more work to get the wonderful word about the WWE out to the public.

[Chainsaw]

I can't wait to see what 5th rate streaming and social media service that WWE comes to with to counter this. One that only WWE wrestlers and fans can use that charges $10 a month that the wrestlers see a dollar from?

Maybe they'll call it Slamcast. Or Facebook Gaming.

[Glitch]

Some of you guys mention why this is the breaking point for wwe talent and not other times.

When Owen died it was an isolated incident. There weren't wrestlers dying left and right from similar ways like he did.

As for the saudi airport incident, vince and the saudi government can easily deny the reasons for it. And they all eventually got home safe.

This current situation on the other hand, this is something happening to all of them and something that will very noticeably change the way they live their lives. And during a pandemic. Where outside income could be important if they find themselves no longer employed. They kind of have no choice but to push back.

[Legion]

Sept 5, 2020 4:51:07 GMT -5 crowley1986 said:

It's a legal liability. If someone blurts out something lawsuit worthy (slander, for example) and the twitch channel is publicly perceived as being controlled by WWE (because it uses a WWE owned trademark), WWE could get dragged into the lawsuit.

Apparent authority and vicarious liability to use the legal terms.

Places like th NBA etc do this

Definitely this is going to be a small part of it, alongside the need for some sort of social media policy which most companies will have these days, but I'm assuming WWE wants to do this so they can do it themselves - like having their own in house cameo and in house streaming service.

That makes good business sense, provides extra content for the network and potentially puts stuff behind a paywall so they can make money off names I assume they have trademarked.

Bad for the 'independent contractors' but I get it from a business sense if that road is the one they want to go down.

Pretty scummy, but as others have said in the chat, welcome to corporate behaviours

[Final Countdown Jones]

Rhea Ripley said the f slur on a twitch stream and faced no repurcussions for it. Damn, Orton dropped the n-bomb-with-an-a on stream. Braun insults people for being poor on his twitter. Right now, multiple people are standing there with open accusations of sexual misconduct, and they're just hanging around on TV. None of those made the company tighten things up and try to cut these issues off. Vince doesn't give a shit about liability here except where someone is a liability to the company narrative. You can say whatever you want right up until he doesn't like it. Hence why journalists have drawn a line between this and AJ talking about having COVID when the company was already mad at Renee for copping to her own infection.

[Citizen Snips]

Sept 5, 2020 6:20:53 GMT -5 Glitch said:

Some of you guys mention why this is the breaking point for wwe talent and not other times.

When Owen died it was an isolated incident. There weren't wrestlers dying left and right from similar ways like he did.

As for the saudi airport incident, vince and the saudi government can easily deny the reasons for it. And they all eventually got home safe.

This current situation on the other hand, this is something happening to all of them and something that will very noticeably change the way they live their lives. And during a pandemic. Where outside income could be important if they find themselves no longer employed. They kind of have no choice but to push back.

1. Owen's death was the most extreme incident of how they don't give a shit about their worker's safety, which is a result of their "independent contractor" status. There was a police investigation to make sure Owen wasn't murdered, but Vince was able to conduct his own safety review because there weren't clear grounds for OSHA to step in. They're not dropping guys from ceilings but they've never stopped having them do crazy stunts that they're not trained for or just not keeping them safe; remember that Elimination Chamber when the pyro guy set Taker on fire during his entrance? Then guys rush themselves back from these injuries because they're not getting their full pay while they're out and might "lose their spot". But no union.

2. Oh Vince and the Saudis denied they were being held hostage, that clears it all up. Vince will surely never piss the Saudis off again while they're at risk, it'll be fine. No need for a union.

3. This doesn't affect them all. The top guys don't need outside income, they're set. They're not going to risk rocking the boat to help out their "peers" lower on the totem pole. You need every single worker in a company to get behind a union, especially those that management really values. History has proven pro wrestling has the exact opposite mentality.

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Sept 5, 2020 5:09:27 GMT -5 Famous Rocking Chimes said:

Can’t wait to see how Road Dogg, Mark Henry and Booker T somehow spin this into a positive thing.

I can totally see Booker saying, "These damn kids need to stop playing video games and start working on their promos and psychology" or some bullshit like it.

[Can you afford to pay me, Gah]

If the WWE started the same time as TNA did, instead of the long history and ext from Vince's father. They would been Out of Business by now. We all know they would been anyway if Austin didn't save his ass. Now you kind of wish he didn't because Vince wants to control everything. How dare a talent make more money on there own. How dare them try to build there own name and promote your company on there own time. More so for talent YOU DON'T even use.

[ayumidah]

Sept 5, 2020 5:03:44 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Meltzer speculated that AJ Styles talking about testing positive for COVID (brought up earlier in the thread) and also publicly admonishing Heyman on his Twitch channel may have also been reasons that this is happening. To me it still seems like Vince saw all the money and opportunity wrestlers were having and wants to try and pull the plug... potentially to severe consequences.

I think it being a "legal liability" is pretty flimsy given how many NBA and NFL stars and stars across the sports world stream and do these things. Opinions and Views are their own, it's the easiest jargon to get any major corporation out of trouble which may have to do with with their workers or deflect blame, and it would you think be the same for WWE and their INDEPENDANT CONTRACTORS but no, here we are, with WWE shooting themselves in the foot hard with all this bullshit.

It's stupidly funny how guys could get multiple DUIs in consecutive years and WWE's PR team runs right in every time with the blase "their life choices are their own and have nothing to do with us" but third party stuff comes up and NOPE can't have that!

[G✇JI☈A]

Vince reminds me of a shitty boss I had once, although not as extreme

I was on my lunch break reading a book, the boss/owner comes into the break room to make a coffee and saw me reading and said “if you want to read something, read the industry newsletter, and stop wasting our time on that bullshit” and left.. I was stunned . It was my f***ing lunch break!.

[camphor #BLM]

Sept 4, 2020 22:38:01 GMT -5 @kn said:

Meltzer said on his forum that the straw that broke the camel's back was Lana's Bang Energy commercials. Guess Vince was mad he didn't get any money from it.

Well, this is the 2nd time that Lana's Bang Energy has caused Vince to go berzerk and upturn a metaphorical table full of money... but this time it might be more like dynamiting a money-factory full of money.



(Miroslav "Rusev" Barnyashev's WWE career being the first time)
_{(Where "Bang Energy" refers to Vince's sexual jealousy, you see)}