WWE Wrestlers rules for Twitch, New Update pg41

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So without getting too deep into it, and violating forum rules it appears that Vince McMahon has finally pissed off someone with more influence than he has, who may be able to FINALLY take him to task over his bullshit soon.

[WIENERS=$$$]

Sept 5, 2020 12:27:51 GMT -5 Futureraven: Beelzebruv said:

Sept 4, 2020 22:50:34 GMT -5 WIENERS=$$$ said:

What's the difference between Dwyane "The Rock" Johnson appearing in films, and other "Sports Entertainers" appearing on a different platform to make a living?

Am I mistaken that he was under a WWE contract while filming early in his acting career?

Is this some kind of "special permission" BS?

Well, a big difference is The Rock was THE top guy when he started appearing in movies, so he had way more power to tell Vince to f*** off, your midcarders who have a side hustle are interchangeable cogs so Vince can threaten them.

Also, it's not like this is the first time. Once he was in movies, how long did The Rock reeeeally stick around? Anyone who's had any success has been straight out of there.

It's extra noticeable if you look at the history of women in the company, Maria on The Apprentice and Stacy Keibler on Dancing with the Stars both got heat for doing well outside the bubble and were released around those times.

I just find it a weird power-trip. Like others have said, Vince is pulling promotion away from these "cogs" that could benefit his company, while also hindering his independent contractors from making a livelihood.

I wonder if this is a spite-play? I wonder if Zack Ryder's past Internet success has something to do with this inane ruling?

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Sept 4, 2020 22:07:08 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Ok, so WWE can't go after anyone legally if they use YouTube/Twitch/Cameo/etc. under their real name, but they're still telling people to close their accounts? What the hell is that about? Because even if this just turns out to be a matter of "don't use WWE branding on your outside endeavors", why wouldn't the message to the talent just be that instead of "END YOUR ACCOUNTS BY NEXT MONTH, PAL"?

And yeah, this is straight out of Sony's playbook when it comes to not allowing cross-system compatibility: it's the year 2020, media is more readily available than ever, and people don't have as much patience for exclusivity, but Sony's there not allowing their games to work across other platforms, meanwhile Nintendo and Microsoft get to soak up positive press because they're more ok with it.

You're a company already struggling with the young demographic; forget advertising dollars, you need young fans if your company is going to survive another twenty years because you need to replenish your fanbase with, you know, new fans. Again, it's 2020, and platforms like Twitch or YouTube or whatever are a big way to get your name out there, and if somebody sees Dakota Kai's gaming channel or Asuka's slice of life videos you increase the chance they'll follow them in WWE. Trying to end that is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

EDIT: And if this turns into "WWE wants to make their own version of YouTube/Twitch/Cameo that the wrestlers will be on", piss the @#$% ooooooooooff. I don't care if they do that and offer the talent a cut; if the independent contractors want to use a third party platform as well, that's their right, full stop.

Sept 4, 2020 20:10:59 GMT -5 @hedm2005 said:

Punk, dick that he is, has a good point.

Call their bluff. Want out of your contract because you're miserable? Open a twitch stream.

Jado, Gedo, and Tony Khan are all probably on a group call right now laughing their asses off at this and waiting to see who they can get on a firesale.

Now I've got a mental image of a council table with Khan, Gedo, Don Callis, Delirious, Court Bauer, and Billy Corgan at it, with Gedo looking at this news, laughing hysterically, and yelling "DIS MADDAH-F@#$%AH!" before showing everybody else.

I now want a web comic that's basically just wrestling promoters roundtable, where it's just all of them with their weird idiosyncracies cranked to 10.

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Sept 5, 2020 12:27:51 GMT -5 Futureraven: Beelzebruv said:

Sept 4, 2020 22:50:34 GMT -5 WIENERS=$$$ said:

What's the difference between Dwyane "The Rock" Johnson appearing in films, and other "Sports Entertainers" appearing on a different platform to make a living?

Am I mistaken that he was under a WWE contract while filming early in his acting career?

Is this some kind of "special permission" BS?

Well, a big difference is The Rock was THE top guy when he started appearing in movies, so he had way more power to tell Vince to f*** off, your midcarders who have a side hustle are interchangeable cogs so Vince can threaten them.

Also, it's not like this is the first time. Once he was in movies, how long did The Rock reeeeally stick around? Anyone who's had any success has been straight out of there.

It's extra noticeable if you look at the history of women in the company, Maria on The Apprentice and Stacy Keibler on Dancing with the Stars both got heat for doing well outside the bubble and were released around those times.

Meanwhile, Ashley was the first (Or second?) person eliminated on that season of Survivor & they spent an assload of time on her.

[ayumidah]

I bet Zack and Curt both are relieved they were fired when they were, imagine if Vince told them they had to stop their podcast, patreon and everything else. Yikes.

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Sept 5, 2020 12:33:54 GMT -5 WIENERS=$$$ said:

Sept 5, 2020 12:27:51 GMT -5 Futureraven: Beelzebruv said:

Well, a big difference is The Rock was THE top guy when he started appearing in movies, so he had way more power to tell Vince to f*** off, your midcarders who have a side hustle are interchangeable cogs so Vince can threaten them.

Also, it's not like this is the first time. Once he was in movies, how long did The Rock reeeeally stick around? Anyone who's had any success has been straight out of there.

It's extra noticeable if you look at the history of women in the company, Maria on The Apprentice and Stacy Keibler on Dancing with the Stars both got heat for doing well outside the bubble and were released around those times.

I just find it a weird power-trip. Like others have said, Vince is pulling promotion away from these "cogs" that could benefit his company, while also hindering his independent contractors from making a livelihood.

I wonder if this is a spite-play? I wonder if Zack Ryder's past Internet success has something to do with this inane ruling?

It's no secret that Vince hates anyone's success that doesn't come from the WWE.

Hell, they've had not one, but TWO talents go on to become major box-office stars within the past 20 years. Both times the WWE attempted to big league said talent (Rock and Batista), which proves that Vince would rather hold the petty dumbass ball than work with someone or something he can't control completely.

So, the irony in all of this is that when Dwayne and Dave DO decide to come back from time to time, they get to hold Vince for a King's ransom while he kisses their ass.

So... yes, Vince is almost definitely doing this, at least partially, out of spite. Imagine how much MORE money the WWE would have if Vince would just be a typical evil corporate suit instead of being a f***ing Carny who got a business degree.

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Sept 5, 2020 12:42:40 GMT -5 @hedm2005 said:

Sept 5, 2020 12:33:54 GMT -5 WIENERS=$$$ said:

I just find it a weird power-trip. Like others have said, Vince is pulling promotion away from these "cogs" that could benefit his company, while also hindering his independent contractors from making a livelihood.

I wonder if this is a spite-play? I wonder if Zack Ryder's past Internet success has something to do with this inane ruling?

It's no secret that Vince hates anyone's success that doesn't come from the WWE.

Hell, they've had not one, but TWO talents go on to become major box-office stars within the past 20 years. Both times the WWE attempted to big league said talent (Rock and Batista), which proves that Vince would rather hold the petty dumbass ball than work with someone or something he can't control completely.

So, the irony in all of this is that when Dwayne and Dave DO decide to come back from time to time, they get to hold Vince for a King's ransom while he kisses their ass.

So... yes, Vince is almost definitely doing this, at least partially, out of spite. Imagine how much MORE money the WWE would have if Vince would just be a typical evil corporate suit instead of being a f***ing Carny who got a business degree.

And if you think about it, Cena is potentially going to be the third. That only is further going to make him more controlling.

[WIENERS=$$$]

Sept 5, 2020 12:42:40 GMT -5 @hedm2005 said:

Sept 5, 2020 12:33:54 GMT -5 WIENERS=$$$ said:

I just find it a weird power-trip. Like others have said, Vince is pulling promotion away from these "cogs" that could benefit his company, while also hindering his independent contractors from making a livelihood.

I wonder if this is a spite-play? I wonder if Zack Ryder's past Internet success has something to do with this inane ruling?

It's no secret that Vince hates anyone's success that doesn't come from the WWE.

Hell, they've had not one, but TWO talents go on to become major box-office stars within the past 20 years. Both times the WWE attempted to big league said talent (Rock and Batista), which proves that Vince would rather hold the petty dumbass ball than work with someone or something he can't control completely.

So, the irony in all of this is that when Dwayne and Dave DO decide to come back from time to time, they get to hold Vince for a King's ransom while he kisses their ass.

So... yes, Vince is almost definitely doing this, at least partially, out of spite. Imagine how much MORE money the WWE would have if Vince would just be a typical evil corporate suit instead of being a f***ing Carny who got a business degree.

I had not heard of what WWE did to Rock and Batista? Any incite on what happened?

[sunnytaker]

Sept 4, 2020 17:00:17 GMT -5 @kn said:

Sept 4, 2020 16:55:40 GMT -5 ada2 said:

What about guys like AJ Styles then? How does that work with him owning his name and such?

How can they expect there talent to be happy with this decision as well

Styles ain't gonna be doing stuff anymore that's for sure. Him, of course the UUDD crew, Orton, Corbin, those in NXT such as "BRE" and Mia, all of them game, all of them go to other outlets and spend time being themselves so yeah. I mean these days that's how all of us 45 and younger really spend time with each other. We all game, we all have another channel elsewhere, it's what we all do, it's part of our lives.

This won't be like the whole Saudi thing, this is a bigger issue as this doesn't conflict with work and yet Vince is making it relate to work. It's gonna be interesting to see what happens.

aside, i keep meaning to ask but what does the "BRE" actually stand for, i know mia, dakota, shayna and jessamine are part of it but that's about it.

[Dub H]

Sept 5, 2020 12:55:28 GMT -5 WIENERS=$$$ said:

Sept 5, 2020 12:42:40 GMT -5 @hedm2005 said:

It's no secret that Vince hates anyone's success that doesn't come from the WWE.

Hell, they've had not one, but TWO talents go on to become major box-office stars within the past 20 years. Both times the WWE attempted to big league said talent (Rock and Batista), which proves that Vince would rather hold the petty dumbass ball than work with someone or something he can't control completely.

So, the irony in all of this is that when Dwayne and Dave DO decide to come back from time to time, they get to hold Vince for a King's ransom while he kisses their ass.

So... yes, Vince is almost definitely doing this, at least partially, out of spite. Imagine how much MORE money the WWE would have if Vince would just be a typical evil corporate suit instead of being a f***ing Carny who got a business degree.

I had not heard of what WWE did to Rock and Batista? Any incite on what happened?

Rock offered WWE to keep working while he went Hollywood.WWE denied,thinking Rock would flop and return begging.


Batista offered a crosds promotion when he was working for guardians of the galaxy and offered to appear on WWE while promoting the movie and you know basically have free eyes from the marvel universe fans.But Triple H denied thinking he would flop too.

[XIII]

Wait....Orton has a sidetrack? Safe to say he’ll be able to continue his. lol

[WIENERS=$$$]

Sept 5, 2020 13:00:31 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Rock offered WWE to keep working while he went Hollywood.WWE denied,thinking Rock would flop and return begging.


Batista offered a crosds promotion when he was working for guardians of the galaxy and offered to appear on WWE while promoting the movie and you know basically have free eyes from the marvel universe fans.But Triple H denied thinking he would flop too.

Thank you. The fact that both have been willing to come back to work for Vince is staggering, but I suppose when you also have something to promote, strange bedfellows and all that.

[Final Countdown Jones]

Sept 5, 2020 12:52:45 GMT -5 @jdogindy said:

Sept 5, 2020 12:42:40 GMT -5 @hedm2005 said:

It's no secret that Vince hates anyone's success that doesn't come from the WWE.

Hell, they've had not one, but TWO talents go on to become major box-office stars within the past 20 years. Both times the WWE attempted to big league said talent (Rock and Batista), which proves that Vince would rather hold the petty dumbass ball than work with someone or something he can't control completely.

So, the irony in all of this is that when Dwayne and Dave DO decide to come back from time to time, they get to hold Vince for a King's ransom while he kisses their ass.

So... yes, Vince is almost definitely doing this, at least partially, out of spite. Imagine how much MORE money the WWE would have if Vince would just be a typical evil corporate suit instead of being a f***ing Carny who got a business degree.

And if you think about it, Cena is potentially going to be the third. That only is further going to make him more controlling.

And after how dirty they did Cena, who knows if he's willing to 'come back' meaningfully again, and if Vince wants to get more controlling over that fact then he's got the instincts of the kind of nightmare partner who has only bad things to say about every ex they've ever had, then three weeks in you find out they eat gerbils live and have been 'the crazy one' all along.

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Sept 5, 2020 12:59:45 GMT -5 sunnytaker said:

Sept 4, 2020 17:00:17 GMT -5 @kn said:

Styles ain't gonna be doing stuff anymore that's for sure. Him, of course the UUDD crew, Orton, Corbin, those in NXT such as "BRE" and Mia, all of them game, all of them go to other outlets and spend time being themselves so yeah. I mean these days that's how all of us 45 and younger really spend time with each other. We all game, we all have another channel elsewhere, it's what we all do, it's part of our lives.

This won't be like the whole Saudi thing, this is a bigger issue as this doesn't conflict with work and yet Vince is making it relate to work. It's gonna be interesting to see what happens.

aside, i keep meaning to ask but what does the "BRE" actually stand for, i know mia, dakota, shayna and jessamine are part of it but that's about it.

Best Roommates Ever.

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Looks like Lana's mad at what Meltzer said.

[The Heartbreak TWERK]

It's easy for anyone to go, "Dave's a liar" and then a bunch of Meltzer haters will take it as gospel.

[Hypnosis]

Sept 5, 2020 13:22:01 GMT -5 @kn said:

Looks like Lana's mad at what Meltzer said.

[chrom]

Sept 5, 2020 13:00:31 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Sept 5, 2020 12:55:28 GMT -5 WIENERS=$$$ said:

I had not heard of what WWE did to Rock and Batista? Any incite on what happened?

Rock offered WWE to keep working while he went Hollywood.WWE denied,thinking Rock would flop and return begging.


Batista offered a crosds promotion when he was working for guardians of the galaxy and offered to appear on WWE while promoting the movie and you know basically have free eyes from the marvel universe fans.But Triple H denied thinking he would flop too.

GOTG's success was the biggest pile of crow he had to swallow

[The Captain]

Sept 5, 2020 11:51:16 GMT -5 @jdogindy said:

Sept 5, 2020 10:31:42 GMT -5 paywindah said:

If you're making enough in WWE, any $ you'd lose from Twitch, Cameo, etc. won't matter as much. You're staying with WWE.

If you aren't making much in WWE, AEW won't want you anyway. AEW also doesn't have $ to throw at anyone. They are a 800K viewer niche show with no $ coming in from tickets. They need to watch their $.

Um... you do realize that not everyone in WWE is making bookoo bucks. It's nowhere near as bad as, say, TNA was, where Taylor Wilde had to work at a Sunglasses Hut and at least one wrestler applied for SNAP benefits (I forgot who it was), but if you're nowhere near the top of the card, you're not getting a lot of money, and you're not getting any exposure, which is what helps in merch sales. The pandemic has especially messed things up, as they have limited the roster, plus there have been talent that haven't appeared on TV in months. Third party media has been the only way these individuals have helped stay somewhat relevant during the past few months.

The WWE may have been throwing fistfuls of money here and there around the time AEW launched, sure, yet I don't think they are exactly paying that kind of money as a guarantee.

Don't a lot of the PC and lower end NXT folks basically make only a little better than full-time minimum wage? Being in a state without income tax like Florida helps, but still. There's this perception that everyone on the main roster is pulling at least six figures a year when that isn't nearly the case for a good chunk of the roster, if not the outright majority. And that isn't even counting any sort of travel, room, or board expenses, which wrestling companies are notorious about not covering unless it's backstage catering.

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... How does that make Lana a scapegoat? Her situation potentially being the tipping point in no way makes it her fault.