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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 7, 2020 22:02:23 GMT -5
They backpedaled hard, that is not what they were initially gonna do and everyone knows it Good on the wrestlers and fans raising a giant stink over this. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 7, 2020 22:15:45 GMT -5
They backpedaled hard, that is not what they were initially gonna do and everyone knows it Good on the wrestlers and fans raising a giant stink over this. I mean we can tell it's not what they were initially going to do because what they were initially told, removing all the were they/weren't they of the whole real names thing--which this article does restate less contentiously as people not being allowed to market themselves under their real names--not to "engage with outside third parties". That's not an ambiguous statement and it is sure as shit not just about Cameo. Then it was about how deals need to be entered together and not individually. Now there's nothing about third parties or deals, just a warning about WWE-owned names, but also somehow the sense that Cameo is still off the table? This is so erratic and bizarre, and it's the general actions of someone whose story is shifting, and shifting wildly. This isn't even fully about the same thing the roster was warned of last week anymore. Not really. |
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Post by camphor #BLM on Sept 7, 2020 22:17:39 GMT -5
They backpedaled hard, that is not what they were initially gonna do and everyone knows it Good on the wrestlers and fans raising a giant stink over this.
it's a BIG BAD STINK TONIGHT. |
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Sept 7, 2020 22:17:46 GMT -5
Good shit everybody involved. Even WWE itself for backing down and not doing the normal thing of digging their heels in the dirt and fighting back tooth and nail just because spite. Hopefully we can move on, and just lament about the shitty product and less the shitty backstage stuff.
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Sept 7, 2020 22:18:18 GMT -5
They backpedaled hard, that is not what they were initially gonna do and everyone knows it Good on the wrestlers and fans raising a giant stink over this. I mean we can tell it's not what they were initially going to do because what they were initially told, removing all the were they/weren't they of the whole real names thing--which this article does restate less contentiously as people not being allowed to market themselves under their real names--not to "engage with outside third parties". That's not an ambiguous statement and it is sure as shit not just about Cameo. Then it was about how deals need to be entered together and not individually. Now there's nothing about third parties or deals, just a warning about WWE-owned names, but also somehow the sense that Cameo is still off the table? This is so erratic and bizarre, and it's the general actions of someone whose story is shifting, and shifting wildly. This isn't even fully about the same thing the roster was warned of last week anymore. Not really. Like, I fully expect tomorrow to read something like “You know what? The Cameo stuff is fine too, hell, do it under your gimmick names”, it’s been shifting that much. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 7, 2020 22:43:17 GMT -5
Or the initial statement was vague and was clarified today, no way to know. That vague statement came after the thing the wrestlers were told that caused this tizzy in the first place, so they certainly did tell people one thing taken very confusingly like it was a huge deal, then make a foggy and noncommittal bunch of words that was exceedingly vague, and now are saying something that doesn't even really track with that vague statement, given that twitch is way more of an active, contractual partnership than Cameo acting as the middleman to shout-out videos. I think there's something really oversimplifying in the position that because everything didn't make sense, that what's going on today is probably just the clarifying of the original, horribly expressed points conveyed to multiple sources in different, inept ways across different days. Edit, from the article: "Nothing was made clear of exactly what won't be allowed although the belief was that Cameo wouldn't be allowed but we were told that was still super vague." Nothing was actually clarified. It was vague which was the reason the wrestlers were in a “tizzy.” Now it was clarified days later and seems much less of a big deal than people initially thought it could (again, due to the vague nature). And if it is them backing down from an original nefarious intention, then good on them. Also, the Cameo part reads like Meltzer just spitballing since only YouTube and Twitch were named in the meeting. |
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Sept 7, 2020 22:47:21 GMT -5
Excuse me? Sorry, I couldn't hear you, I was using my super-comfortable Ray-Con earbuds to listen to some fascinating content from Curiosity Stream. You’ll pay for that remark.. And why not keep the cards you use to pay for things in a Ridge Wallet! I'd rather keep them near my surprise that I got from Adam and Eve. |
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Post by xCompackx on Sept 7, 2020 23:01:10 GMT -5
Maybe in the future, clarify things from the jump so there's no confusion?
Even though, from most accounts I've seen, it was pretty clear what Vince wanted.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 7, 2020 23:14:27 GMT -5
Well, good on them for backpedaling instead of digging in further. That said, those boots aren't going to lick themselves, so get to it!
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Post by ayumidah on Sept 8, 2020 0:21:36 GMT -5
who knows, maybe Steph talked Vince down over the weekend until he'd ease up some. Either way, I'd be sad if the twitch/youtube stuff goes away since it's been my chief thing to relax while watching since the pandemic started, so am glad things are looking better.
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Post by Legion on Sept 8, 2020 3:07:28 GMT -5
Makes sense, the stage names are trademarks which WWE owns, if you want to use it for commercial enterprise, you'll need to pay to license it. Regardless of whether it's your name or anything else, you agree to sign it over as a trademark, you make that in to account. It also protects WWE somewhat as they can then actively point to 'no, that person said that inflammatory thing online, not the character/company' and means people can sign their own sponsorship deals as themselves, and not have TM'ed 'characters' promoting something without WWE getting paid.
It's just business, and the alternative is WWE asking talent to actively pay them to use their own stage names for outside interests, which is actually what I expected to see happen here.
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Post by Glitch on Sept 8, 2020 5:41:33 GMT -5
Some of you guys mention why this is the breaking point for wwe talent and not other times. When Owen died it was an isolated incident. There weren't wrestlers dying left and right from similar ways like he did. As for the saudi airport incident, vince and the saudi government can easily deny the reasons for it. And they all eventually got home safe. This current situation on the other hand, this is something happening to all of them and something that will very noticeably change the way they live their lives. And during a pandemic. Where outside income could be important if they find themselves no longer employed. They kind of have no choice but to push back. 1. Owen's death was the most extreme incident of how they don't give a shit about their worker's safety, which is a result of their "independent contractor" status. There was a police investigation to make sure Owen wasn't murdered, but Vince was able to conduct his own safety review because there weren't clear grounds for OSHA to step in. They're not dropping guys from ceilings but they've never stopped having them do crazy stunts that they're not trained for or just not keeping them safe; remember that Elimination Chamber when the pyro guy set Taker on fire during his entrance? Then guys rush themselves back from these injuries because they're not getting their full pay while they're out and might "lose their spot". But no union. 2. Oh Vince and the Saudis denied they were being held hostage, that clears it all up. Vince will surely never piss the Saudis off again while they're at risk, it'll be fine. No need for a union. 3. This doesn't affect them all. The top guys don't need outside income, they're set. They're not going to risk rocking the boat to help out their "peers" lower on the totem pole. You need every single worker in a company to get behind a union, especially those that management really values. History has proven pro wrestling has the exact opposite mentality. 1.) The pyro guy setting Taker on fire wasnt the result of doing an insane stunt by an untrained wrestler. It was an accident by the pyro guys. Being on fire from pyro wasn't a super common thing in the wwe. And wrestlers rushing back from injuries and being afraid to lose their spot is as old as pro wrestling itself. 2.)The talent eventually got home safe and didn't have guns pointed at them. So from a legal stand point, it's hard to prove they were actually held hostage. I'm not saying that they weren't, but it is very easy for vince to wiggle his way out of responsibility. 3.)The top guys may be set financially, but they are basically being controlled outside of wwe in a manner. What sets this apart from other instances is that the wwe is basically saying out loud that they own them like property. Yeah, a union may or may not happen, but from a legal stand point this is probably the best time that they should. Especially that they have the past to learn from. Hindsight is 20 20. |
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Sept 8, 2020 5:45:21 GMT -5
Gah! This is getting confusing I think I need to take some online courses from Skill Share to make sense of it all.
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Post by Topher is Human on Sept 8, 2020 6:30:59 GMT -5
We need a single, specially designed domain to help catalogue the progress of this story. And that’s all possible thanks to Square Space.
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Sept 8, 2020 6:40:20 GMT -5
...the vast majority of them already do that. So what was all the ruckus about? This is the backpeddling because they realized that taking down those accounts resulted in open revolt. It led to some sort of collective action by a united group of workers if you will. And it is more important to cave to that as soon as possible to prevent it from getting any traction most of all. So WWE backpedaled hard, got it. Or the initial statement was vague and was clarified today, no way to know. Fun fact, it is literally never this. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 8, 2020 8:10:54 GMT -5
...the vast majority of them already do that. So what was all the ruckus about? This is the backpeddling because they realized that taking down those accounts resulted in open revolt. It led to some sort of collective action by a united group of workers if you will. And it is more important to cave to that as soon as possible to prevent it from getting any traction most of all. Or the initial statement was vague and was clarified today, no way to know. Fun fact, it is literally never this. What is literally never what? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 8:23:22 GMT -5
One of the worst parts of the Rusev/Corbin gen of wrestlers is the speed and frequency they go to Dave Meltzer as their boogeyman. Add Ryback to the list today. He wrote (then deleted) on Twitter that the world would be better if Dave was six feet under. I'm convinced every WWE employee goes through the Clockwork Orange video montage with just clips of Dave missing Alvarez's jokes or talking for 14 minutes straight about the 18-34 female demo to the point that the wrestler breaks down and cries. It's always amusing watching these meatheads lose their shit over Meltzer. |
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Sept 8, 2020 8:33:43 GMT -5
I bet it you it was RETRIBUTION that typed out the initial confusing and alarming memo. Those rapscallions.
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Post by RKTaker on Sept 8, 2020 9:50:39 GMT -5
but i thought they owned their real names  |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 8, 2020 10:29:04 GMT -5
I bet it you it was RETRIBUTION that typed out the initial confusing and alarming memo. Those rapscallions. “Wait, what email did this come from? Vinceispoopy@wwe.com?! RETRIBUTIOOOOOOOON!” *bunch of masked goons are seen laughing quietly around a corner* |
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