Bo Rida
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Pulled one over on everyone.
Got away with it, this time.
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 2, 2020 14:00:35 GMT -5
From Andrew Yang's Twitter: "Hearing from talent that WWE is forcing performers to sign new contracts that include twitch. Streaming on twitch will become a work obligation and if talent doesn’t stream they will forego earnings, be suspended or face penalties. Doesn’t sound like independent contractors." Wtf? This is complete insanity. Can't wait for Undertaker playing fall guys. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 14:06:07 GMT -5
what the f*** is this holy f***ing hell That sounds a helluva lot like work for an employee 🤷🏿♂️ That kills people's interest to do things. You can't expect everyone who streams to do it when you tell them do. Sometimes they don't wanna do it and they have other obligations. It's so insane. f***ing stupid. |
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Oct 2, 2020 14:06:11 GMT -5
From Andrew Yang's Twitter: "Hearing from talent that WWE is forcing performers to sign new contracts that include twitch. Streaming on twitch will become a work obligation and if talent doesn’t stream they will forego earnings, be suspended or face penalties. Doesn’t sound like independent contractors." Wtf? This is complete insanity. Can't wait for Undertaker playing fall guys. Walk away. Seriously. What a disgusting power play. |
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Fade
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Post by Fade on Oct 2, 2020 14:08:57 GMT -5
From Andrew Yang's Twitter: "Hearing from talent that WWE is forcing performers to sign new contracts that include twitch. Streaming on twitch will become a work obligation and if talent doesn’t stream they will forego earnings, be suspended or face penalties. Doesn’t sound like independent contractors." I am beyond confused at this. |
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Bo Rida
Fry's dog Seymour
Pulled one over on everyone.
Got away with it, this time.
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 2, 2020 14:19:15 GMT -5
The more I think about it this is some straight up black mirror shit, a WWE version of 15 Million Merits. The thunderdome is already has that kind of crowd. Lots of healthy young people forced to produce whatever content the management want in return for a slightly nicer cage.
They even have an underclass of fat people to make fun of.
Those property of the performance centre t-shirts say it all. Not enough to control them on their own shows they want to control their free time.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 2, 2020 15:06:49 GMT -5
I suspect talents have their lawyers going over their deals now because even ignoring the independent contractor lie, changing the terms of the deal to take money from other gigs is questionable as hell, especially at a time they're not fulfilling their side ofthe deal. Depends on the language of the contract. There may be a clause that covers them making money off their trademarked names on third-party platforms. This is across the board, extending to talent who don't use their trademarked names and those who own their names outright, and if Andrew Yang's take is to be believed, they're trying to pressure talent into signing new contracts where they agree to the WWE taking money from something they do in their own time. Something's going to give. |
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Legion
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Post by Legion on Oct 2, 2020 15:07:03 GMT -5
From Andrew Yang's Twitter: "Hearing from talent that WWE is forcing performers to sign new contracts that include twitch. Streaming on twitch will become a work obligation and if talent doesn’t stream they will forego earnings, be suspended or face penalties. Doesn’t sound like independent contractors." Has WWE invested in Twitch? Is this going to be another Tout situation? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 15:18:53 GMT -5
Someone like Roman should speak out about this. I don’t think anyone else has a big enough profile to really get attention on it.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 2, 2020 15:20:47 GMT -5
From Andrew Yang's Twitter: "Hearing from talent that WWE is forcing performers to sign new contracts that include twitch. Streaming on twitch will become a work obligation and if talent doesn’t stream they will forego earnings, be suspended or face penalties. Doesn’t sound like independent contractors." Has WWE invested in Twitch? Is this going to be another Tout situation? I mean, Twitch is actually successful so no. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 2, 2020 15:22:51 GMT -5
Also if Twitch had any association with WWE, Amazon would pretty much promote that to the high heavens because WWE is still some kind of known brand. Mostly because they’d want the shareholders to know they aren’t losing out to their competitors in terms of exclusivity.
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Post by toodarkmark on Oct 2, 2020 15:25:18 GMT -5
People will forget about this in 2 months. Just another outrage, but the second there's a good ladder match on a PPV, people move on. Vince knows this, and really doesn't care what people think.
Also, Vince has been doing these kinds of things since the 80's. Ventura called him on it, and won. But when Ventura tried to do something about it for everyone, Hogan sold him out. There will always be someone to sell everyone out, and Vince knows this.
Also, there are no real stars in WWE. There's people they push, but if they're gone, it's just the same. They're not dependent on anyone. They could fire Roman Reigns, AJ Styles, Seth Rollins and Randy Orton TOMORROW and nothing would change. And if they wanted to sign to AEW, well hot damn if his loyal Universe doesn't light up Twitter with "AEW IS JUST LIKE TNA HIRING ALL WWE PEOPLE." And obviously they cant work New Japan right now. And Impact hired a lot of them, but they can't hire EVERYONE.
To Vince, wrestlers have and always be cattle. That's his personality, that's just him. Seeing his cattle make money on the side pissed him off, so he took control of it. He will fire the people closest to him during a pandemic. He will fire pregnant women. That's who he is. And there's nothing anyone (as of right now) can do about it, because the people who could something about legally sure as hell won't.
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Legion
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Post by Legion on Oct 2, 2020 15:26:23 GMT -5
Has WWE invested in Twitch? Is this going to be another Tout situation? I mean, Twitch is actually successful so no. Lolz. Watch Vince invest and then Twitch implodes. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 15:28:06 GMT -5
From Andrew Yang's Twitter: "Hearing from talent that WWE is forcing performers to sign new contracts that include twitch. Streaming on twitch will become a work obligation and if talent doesn’t stream they will forego earnings, be suspended or face penalties. Doesn’t sound like independent contractors." I am beyond confused at this. Glad I am not the only one. There is no way they can force anyone to sign a new deal and unless WWE has become the primary investor into twitch or outright bought it idk how they can make this mandatory in anyway outside of some being stupid enough to sign one of those contracts that would make it so. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 2, 2020 15:28:18 GMT -5
I mean, Twitch is actually successful so no. Lolz. Watch Vince invest and then Twitch implodes. Jeff Bezos will literally send a team of gold plated hitmen with diamond encrusted guns shooting rubies before that happens. He’s a multi billionaire, he probably has those. |
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Post by The Captain on Oct 2, 2020 15:31:21 GMT -5
I don't think Twitch needs anyone to invest in them, least of all McMahon/WWE. It's not like it's some startup in need of capital. It's firmly under the Amazon umbrella and Jeff Bezos has more money than most countries.
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Post by Mecca on Oct 2, 2020 15:41:17 GMT -5
The WWE thinks they are bigger than wrestling, they don't care if people leave, and they do word their contracts in insane ways, I know years ago they had phrases like "any and all things you create while under contract to WWE are owned by WWE"
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Post by Mecca on Oct 2, 2020 15:48:02 GMT -5
WWE wrestlers are people who grew up watching WWE. They feel as if its a blessing that they even get to be there, and don't want to step on any toes out of fear their dream will be crushed.
WWE as a company has reached this point where they can just employ droves of people who are high as shit on their kool-aid and know those people will never fight back against this sort of blatantly illegal business.
The approach these guys have is way different than guys who grew up watching territories etc.
Look how many talents will get on social media and rip into fans for calling out shitty storylines or even trying to defend a wrestler they like being in a bad program and that wrestler will get mad. It's this vicious cycle of guys who won't say anything because it's their dream job.
The locker room misses dudes like CM Punk, yes he's an asshole but he speaks up and isn't afraid.
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Legion
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Post by Legion on Oct 2, 2020 15:54:28 GMT -5
I don't think Twitch needs anyone to invest in them, least of all McMahon/WWE. It's not like it's some startup in need of capital. It's firmly under the Amazon umbrella and Jeff Bezos has more money than most countries. But they still have investors, and something like WWE, who can then advertise for them, makes a lot of sense. I would not at all be surprised to hear Vince or Steph has bought a chunk of it. Steph was freeing up capital recently as well.... |
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Oct 2, 2020 16:03:34 GMT -5
I don't think Twitch needs anyone to invest in them, least of all McMahon/WWE. It's not like it's some startup in need of capital. It's firmly under the Amazon umbrella and Jeff Bezos has more money than most countries. But they still have investors, and something like WWE, who can then advertise for them, makes a lot of sense. I would not at all be surprised to hear Vince or Steph has bought a chunk of it. Steph was freeing up capital recently as well.... Twitch seriously does not need WWE, it'd be like one of us investing or something, I mean not me because i'm an important successful business man but another forum member |
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Post by Mecca on Oct 2, 2020 16:05:51 GMT -5
But they still have investors, and something like WWE, who can then advertise for them, makes a lot of sense. I would not at all be surprised to hear Vince or Steph has bought a chunk of it. Steph was freeing up capital recently as well.... Twitch seriously does not need WWE, it'd be like one of us investing or something, I mean not me because i'm an important successful business man but another forum member They don't, in reality what's going on here is nothing that hasn't been done anywhere else. Labor rights in America have been dismantled over the last 100 or so years, billionaires exploit labor for wealth, we're just repeately seeing it show up on the front page of wrestling now, when it's everywhere for the most part. |
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