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Post by Lupin the Third on May 8, 2021 13:39:59 GMT -5
South Dakota State is one win away from its first National Championship in football.
I never thought I'd say that.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on May 9, 2021 13:00:09 GMT -5
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on May 11, 2021 13:38:54 GMT -5
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jun 9, 2021 12:19:18 GMT -5
So not even 4 months after transferring from Nebraska, Luke McCaffrey has left Louisville.
MAKE UP YOUR MIND ALREADY, KID!!!
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Jun 9, 2021 19:51:29 GMT -5
So not even 4 months after transferring from Nebraska, Luke McCaffrey has left Louisville. MAKE UP YOUR MIND ALREADY, KID!!! Not just to him, but to all. Go to the new USFL or Rock's XFL get paid some money, put up big numbers against former NFL players then enter the draft when eligible. More low to mid tier recruits should consider this. Maybe even some 4 stars that have to wait 3 or 4 years to start at big schools.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 9:35:42 GMT -5
So not even 4 months after transferring from Nebraska, Luke McCaffrey has left Louisville. MAKE UP YOUR MIND ALREADY, KID!!! Not just to him, but to all. Go to the new USFL or Rock's XFL get paid some money, put up big numbers against former NFL players then enter the draft when eligible. More low to mid tier recruits should consider this. Maybe even some 4 stars that have to wait 3 or 4 years to start at big schools. The G-League ignite is going to set some level of precedent for this, I think. If Kuminga and Green are successful in the NBA, I could see major NFL prospects going this route. Assuming, of course ,that the USFL and/or XFL 3.0 actually allows 18-year-olds to participate.
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Post by sfvega on Jul 2, 2021 10:34:23 GMT -5
Not just to him, but to all. Go to the new USFL or Rock's XFL get paid some money, put up big numbers against former NFL players then enter the draft when eligible. More low to mid tier recruits should consider this. Maybe even some 4 stars that have to wait 3 or 4 years to start at big schools. The G-League ignite is going to set some level of precedent for this, I think. If Kuminga and Green are successful in the NBA, I could see major NFL prospects going this route. Assuming, of course ,that the USFL and/or XFL 3.0 actually allows 18-year-olds to participate. Many people have speculated this for a while since the Spring Football dream has come back around and it's 0% comparable. The G league is actually better competition for NBA prospects, given the 1 and done rule. There is no better proving ground for NFL prospects, and there will not be, than the NCAA. Does the Ignite prepare Jalen Green better than Oklahoma St prepares Cade Cunningham? Yeah, probably. Does the DC Defenders prepare an 18-year old better than going to Bama or LSU or Georgia or Clemson or Oregon or any other pro factory? No, and it's laughably not close. There is no paradigm shift on the horizon for college football players. We're 10+ years out if the XFL even gains traction which they'll have to prove.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 11:12:10 GMT -5
The G-League ignite is going to set some level of precedent for this, I think. If Kuminga and Green are successful in the NBA, I could see major NFL prospects going this route. Assuming, of course ,that the USFL and/or XFL 3.0 actually allows 18-year-olds to participate. Many people have speculated this for a while since the Spring Football dream has come back around and it's 0% comparable. The G league is actually better competition for NBA prospects, given the 1 and done rule. There is no better proving ground for NFL prospects, and there will not be, than the NCAA. Does the Ignite prepare Jalen Green better than Oklahoma St prepares Cade Cunningham? Yeah, probably. Does the DC Defenders prepare an 18-year old better than going to Bama or LSU or Georgia or Clemson or Oregon or any other pro factory? No, and it's laughably not close. There is no paradigm shift on the horizon for college football players. We're 10+ years out if the XFL even gains traction which they'll have to prove. I think it could conceivably be a viable option for two types of players: (1) the absolute can't miss prospects, a la Jadeveon Clowney, who would have been drafted in the first round even right out of high school if the rules allowed it. Why should those guys spend 3 years of their physical prime playing for nothing at all? I guess the new NIL rules assuage that a little bit, but I could still see it being a viable option for those types of players; and (2) the middling players who may only be able to latch onto an FCS or DII program, but who have NFL potential. Like, I tend to think that guys like Danny Woodhead and Keelan Cole would have gotten an NFL look a little sooner as elite players in a minor professional league than as standouts for Chadron State and KY Wesleyan. But, these Spring leagues never actually pan out, and I tend to think it'll be considered too much of a liability to let 18 year olds play anyway, so this is really just a super hypothetical conversation.
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Post by sfvega on Jul 2, 2021 11:19:55 GMT -5
Many people have speculated this for a while since the Spring Football dream has come back around and it's 0% comparable. The G league is actually better competition for NBA prospects, given the 1 and done rule. There is no better proving ground for NFL prospects, and there will not be, than the NCAA. Does the Ignite prepare Jalen Green better than Oklahoma St prepares Cade Cunningham? Yeah, probably. Does the DC Defenders prepare an 18-year old better than going to Bama or LSU or Georgia or Clemson or Oregon or any other pro factory? No, and it's laughably not close. There is no paradigm shift on the horizon for college football players. We're 10+ years out if the XFL even gains traction which they'll have to prove. I think it could conceivably be a viable option for two types of players: (1) the absolute can't miss prospects, a la Jadeveon Clowney, who would have been drafted in the first round even right out of high school if the rules allowed it. Why should those guys spend 3 years of their physical prime playing for nothing at all? I guess the new NIL rules assuage that a little bit, but I could still see it being a viable option for those types of players; and (2) the middling players who may only be able to latch onto an FCS or DII program, but who have NFL potential. Like, I tend to think that guys like Danny Woodhead and Keelan Cole would have gotten an NFL look a little sooner as elite players in a minor professional league than as standouts for Chadron State and KY Wesleyan. But, these Spring leagues never actually pan out, and I tend to think it'll be considered too much of a liability to let 18 year olds play anyway, so this is really just a super hypothetical conversation. There's no real reason for 5 star prospects to go to XFL. Would you rather be coached by top coaches, trained in state of the art facilities, be big man on a college campus, have a basically guaranteed shot at being a 1st round pick in the actual league you want to play in, play in packed stadiums on prime time playing for actual stakes, while probably getting nice endorsement deals now? Or would you rather earn 80k after taxes in a few years in he XFL? It's not a debate. I get that people have the idea that it could happen, but if you're a HS senior whose goal is to be a top 5 pick in the NFL there flat out is no comparison. None.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 11:26:33 GMT -5
I think it could conceivably be a viable option for two types of players: (1) the absolute can't miss prospects, a la Jadeveon Clowney, who would have been drafted in the first round even right out of high school if the rules allowed it. Why should those guys spend 3 years of their physical prime playing for nothing at all? I guess the new NIL rules assuage that a little bit, but I could still see it being a viable option for those types of players; and (2) the middling players who may only be able to latch onto an FCS or DII program, but who have NFL potential. Like, I tend to think that guys like Danny Woodhead and Keelan Cole would have gotten an NFL look a little sooner as elite players in a minor professional league than as standouts for Chadron State and KY Wesleyan. But, these Spring leagues never actually pan out, and I tend to think it'll be considered too much of a liability to let 18 year olds play anyway, so this is really just a super hypothetical conversation. There's no real reason for 5 star prospects to go to XFL. Would you rather be coached by top coaches, trained in state of the art facilities, be big man on a college campus, have a basically guaranteed shot at being a 1st round pick in the actual league you want to play in, play in packed stadiums on prime time playing for actual stakes, while probably getting nice endorsement deals now? Or would you rather earn 80k after taxes in a few years in he XFL? It's not a debate. I get that people have the idea that it could happen, but if you're a HS senior whose goal is to be a top 5 pick in the NFL there flat out is no comparison. None. I don't know that it's quite that simple. Full disclosure, I am a Clemson alum and the last thing I would want is for the traditional college football model to be disrupted. But, take the ill-fated AAF. Suppose that you're a 5-star recruit, and these are your two options: 1) Sign with Clemson, play for no meaningful compensation for 3 years, then go to the NFL. 2) Sign with the Orlando Apollos, play for Steve Spurrier, star in a televised football league for 3 years, make some money, then go to the NFL and make even more money. I'm not entirely certain every elite prospect would take Option 1. Again, though, I don't think these leagues will actually survive long term and I don't expect that they'll even allow teenagers to play, so this conversation is a bit of a nonstarter.
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Post by sfvega on Jul 2, 2021 11:43:28 GMT -5
There's no real reason for 5 star prospects to go to XFL. Would you rather be coached by top coaches, trained in state of the art facilities, be big man on a college campus, have a basically guaranteed shot at being a 1st round pick in the actual league you want to play in, play in packed stadiums on prime time playing for actual stakes, while probably getting nice endorsement deals now? Or would you rather earn 80k after taxes in a few years in he XFL? It's not a debate. I get that people have the idea that it could happen, but if you're a HS senior whose goal is to be a top 5 pick in the NFL there flat out is no comparison. None. I don't know that it's quite that simple. Full disclosure, I am a Clemson alum and the last thing I would want is for the traditional college football model to be disrupted. But, take the ill-fated AAF. Suppose that you're a 5-star recruit, and these are your two options: 1) Sign with Clemson, play for no meaningful compensation for 3 years, then go to the NFL. 2) Sign with the Orlando Apollos, play for Steve Spurrier, star in a televised football league for 3 years, make some money, then go to the NFL and make even more money. I'm not entirely certain every elite prospect would take Option 1. Again, though, I don't think these leagues will actually survive long term and I don't expect that they'll even allow teenagers to play, so this conversation is a bit of a nonstarter. Steve Spurrier has lost a lot of shine since Florida. Also, the ratings for Power 5 vs. XFL is not comparable. Televised doesn't mean much. If you're building towards being a top 5 pick and a brand athlete, you choose the NCAA. If your goal is to make ~100k (which has always been offered under the table for big recruits) then yeah the XFL is where it's at. Someone like Trevor Lawrence can call his shot in terms of endorsements day 1 in the NFL. The XFL scope doesn't allow you that. I've seen this argument before and it really just feels like devil's advocate. If you're a 3* recruit and you have money problems at home, then the XFL becomes a viable option. But if you're a big recruit, why in the world would you overthink the surest route to the top? You're jeopardizing a dollar to pick up a quarter.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 11:50:48 GMT -5
I don't know that it's quite that simple. Full disclosure, I am a Clemson alum and the last thing I would want is for the traditional college football model to be disrupted. But, take the ill-fated AAF. Suppose that you're a 5-star recruit, and these are your two options: 1) Sign with Clemson, play for no meaningful compensation for 3 years, then go to the NFL. 2) Sign with the Orlando Apollos, play for Steve Spurrier, star in a televised football league for 3 years, make some money, then go to the NFL and make even more money. I'm not entirely certain every elite prospect would take Option 1. Again, though, I don't think these leagues will actually survive long term and I don't expect that they'll even allow teenagers to play, so this conversation is a bit of a nonstarter. Steve Spurrier has lost a lot of shine since Florida. Also, the ratings for Power 5 vs. XFL is not comparable. Televised doesn't mean much. If you're building towards being a top 5 pick and a brand athlete, you choose the NCAA. If your goal is to make ~100k (which has always been offered under the table for big recruits) then yeah the XFL is where it's at. Someone like Trevor Lawrence can call his shot in terms of endorsements day 1 in the NFL. The XFL scope doesn't allow you that. I've seen this argument before and it really just feels like devil's advocate. If you're a 3* recruit and you have money problems at home, then the XFL becomes a viable option. But if you're a big recruit, why in the world would you overthink the surest route to the top? You're jeopardizing a dollar to pick up a quarter. I am definitely playing devil's advocate, plus, I think that the NIL rules changing have largely mooted the basis of this argument. On top of all of that, I sincerely don't think these leagues are going to let teenagers play. I obviously am not going to sit here and argue that having "Orlando Apollos" on your resume is in any way comparable to "Alabama Crimson Tide." The value that I do see in these leagues is for the guys like the aforementioned Luke McCaffrey or D'Eriq King...rather than transferring to hunt for the "bigger" opportunity, why not just go play in these "minor" leagues to keep your name out there?
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Post by sfvega on Jul 3, 2021 1:15:41 GMT -5
Steve Spurrier has lost a lot of shine since Florida. Also, the ratings for Power 5 vs. XFL is not comparable. Televised doesn't mean much. If you're building towards being a top 5 pick and a brand athlete, you choose the NCAA. If your goal is to make ~100k (which has always been offered under the table for big recruits) then yeah the XFL is where it's at. Someone like Trevor Lawrence can call his shot in terms of endorsements day 1 in the NFL. The XFL scope doesn't allow you that. I've seen this argument before and it really just feels like devil's advocate. If you're a 3* recruit and you have money problems at home, then the XFL becomes a viable option. But if you're a big recruit, why in the world would you overthink the surest route to the top? You're jeopardizing a dollar to pick up a quarter. I am definitely playing devil's advocate, plus, I think that the NIL rules changing have largely mooted the basis of this argument. On top of all of that, I sincerely don't think these leagues are going to let teenagers play. I obviously am not going to sit here and argue that having "Orlando Apollos" on your resume is in any way comparable to "Alabama Crimson Tide." The value that I do see in these leagues is for the guys like the aforementioned Luke McCaffrey or D'Eriq King...rather than transferring to hunt for the "bigger" opportunity, why not just go play in these "minor" leagues to keep your name out there? D'Eriq King has actually helped his draft stock, but if he were wary of getting passed over in the pros due to height, then the other leagues become more of a possibility.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 21, 2021 16:12:59 GMT -5
Um, the Big XII might be dead real soon.
News has come out that OU and Texas reached out to the SEC about joining. Now, that might be taken with a grain of salt but Texas A&M's AD has come out and said that they want to be the only team from Texas in the SEC, and the SEC commissioner said about OU and Texas reaching out "No comment on that speculation."
There's a whole lot of smoke to Sooners and Longhorns joining the SEC. If that happens the Big XII is beyond dead.
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Post by Renslayer on Jul 21, 2021 20:29:17 GMT -5
Um, the Big XII might be dead real soon. News has come out that OU and Texas reached out to the SEC about joining. Now, that might be taken with a grain of salt but Texas A&M's AD has come out and said that they want to be the only team from Texas in the SEC, and the SEC commissioner said about OU and Texas reaching out "No comment on that speculation." There's a whole lot of smoke to Sooners and Longhorns joining the SEC. If that happens the Big XII is beyond dead. Texas trying to go toe to toe with alabama is a recipe for disaster. All money ain't good money
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Post by salz4life on Jul 22, 2021 12:26:12 GMT -5
I feel like Texas would fit better in the Big Ten.... but I get the SEC is King, so..... There is really nothing less that would be attractive for the Big Ten to add. My vote would be to do some kind combination with the Pac 12. Texas A&M and Missouri can't be happy about the prospects of Texas coming in. Wasn't Texas the big reason both of them left the Big XII?
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Post by crash1984 on Jul 22, 2021 22:28:58 GMT -5
So two things have come out. First of all it would take 11 of 14 votes from the current SEC schools for it to happen and it sounds like there are enough votes. In fact it seems the only one that may be against it is Texas A&M. Second all the ADs of the Big XII had a conference call and neither the Oklahoma or Texas atheletic director were present.
If this happens there is no doubt the Big XII is dead. Losing Nebraska and Texas A&M did a lot of damage but the two flagship programs of the Big XII are Texas and Oklahoma. I do think the other schools will also start looking for something else and on the same token I think every conference will want to go to having 16 teams but the thing is that getting to 16 teams may not involve picking up a Big XII school. For instance the ACC would almost certainly get West Virginia but why pick up one school far away from the rest when you could very easily pick up Cincinnati or maybe even Memphis and still get 16 teams? The PAC-12 would need four to get to 16 but it would make a lot more sense for them to get Boise State and BYU and two from the Big XII.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 23, 2021 0:28:31 GMT -5
So two things have come out. First of all it would take 11 of 14 votes from the current SEC schools for it to happen and it sounds like there are enough votes. In fact it seems the only one that may be against it is Texas A&M. Second all the ADs of the Big XII had a conference call and neither the Oklahoma or Texas atheletic director were present. Of course there are enough votes, schools like money, and the money that Oklahoma and Texas bring in is nuts. Think about how much they can rake in when OU or Texas play Bama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, and Georgia. Even the small schools will be raking it in with the traveling fanbases.
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Post by sfvega on Jul 23, 2021 1:13:32 GMT -5
So two things have come out. First of all it would take 11 of 14 votes from the current SEC schools for it to happen and it sounds like there are enough votes. In fact it seems the only one that may be against it is Texas A&M. Second all the ADs of the Big XII had a conference call and neither the Oklahoma or Texas atheletic director were present. Of course there are enough votes, schools like money, and the money that Oklahoma and Texas bring in is nuts. Think about how much they can rake in when OU or Texas play Bama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, and Georgia. Even the small schools will be raking it in with the traveling fanbases. OU probably loses money and relevance in the switch to SEC. No more BCS bowls for them. Texas is the same well-supported also-ran regardless, so probably a step-up with the TV deal money.
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Post by Renslayer on Jul 23, 2021 10:02:07 GMT -5
Texas and Oklahoma have apparently been working on this SEC move for at least 6 months. Dang
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