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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 29, 2020 14:38:51 GMT -5
AEW actually pays attention to the continuity of things on a greater level than I think any Western promotion at this level ever has so far.
I mean it's easy for them to do it having jumped straight in as a TV show, no other promotions had that.
WCW didn't care about continuity the majority of the time, nor did the WWF on any significant basis, and ECW didn't get to keep talent for long enough for continuity to be worth doing.
And I think part of what makes this super interesting is that you can see the fingerprints of all sorts of different types of booking on it. You can see old-school blood feuds, you can see Jungle Boy getting the New Japan Young Lion booking, you got fourth-wall breaking moments about WWE that don't actually murder kayfabe, you have moves that are protected and rankings that make sense... it's just... on its worst week, Dynamite just gives too much of a shit to end up having any be a non-sequitur.
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Post by eJm on Sept 29, 2020 16:07:50 GMT -5
... it's just... on its worst week, Dynamite just gives too much of a shit to end up having any be a non-sequitur. I think this part summarizes what I enjoy most about AEW. There have been episodes that haven’t caught my attention much or had much good in ring but even on those episodes of Dynamite, stuff is happening and that stuff leads to things down the line. Even something like Silver and Reynolds, as strange as that sounds, had their own arc of sorts. They got on Dynamite and lost a lot, Dark Order were doing promos about getting people who were losers and wanted something more, the Beaver Boys eventually see the advertising and, well, Join Dark Order. A to B to C.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 16:22:51 GMT -5
AEW actually pays attention to the continuity of things on a greater level than I think any Western promotion at this level ever has so far. I mean it's easy for them to do it having jumped straight in as a TV show, no other promotions had that. WCW didn't care about continuity the majority of the time, nor did the WWF on any significant basis, and ECW didn't get to keep talent for long enough for continuity to be worth doing. And I think part of what makes this super interesting is that you can see the fingerprints of all sorts of different types of booking on it. You can see old-school blood feuds, you can see Jungle Boy getting the New Japan Young Lion booking, you got fourth-wall breaking moments about WWE that don't actually murder kayfabe, you have moves that are protected and rankings that make sense... it's just... on its worst week, Dynamite just gives too much of a shit to end up having any be a non-sequitur. Impact IMO can give them a run for the money in keeping continuity and weaving stories in and out IMO. But neither touches LU when it comes to keeping continuity and paying attention to the details and weaving every single thing together between every single person on the show.
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Post by eJm on Sept 29, 2020 16:34:04 GMT -5
AEW actually pays attention to the continuity of things on a greater level than I think any Western promotion at this level ever has so far. I mean it's easy for them to do it having jumped straight in as a TV show, no other promotions had that. WCW didn't care about continuity the majority of the time, nor did the WWF on any significant basis, and ECW didn't get to keep talent for long enough for continuity to be worth doing. And I think part of what makes this super interesting is that you can see the fingerprints of all sorts of different types of booking on it. You can see old-school blood feuds, you can see Jungle Boy getting the New Japan Young Lion booking, you got fourth-wall breaking moments about WWE that don't actually murder kayfabe, you have moves that are protected and rankings that make sense... it's just... on its worst week, Dynamite just gives too much of a shit to end up having any be a non-sequitur. Impact IMO can give them a run for the money in keeping continuity and weaving stories in and out IMO. But neither touches LU when it comes to keeping continuity and paying attention to the details and weaving every single thing together between every single person on the show. Honestly, not to be all “hipster” about it and Impact has a history with stuff but the moment Impact started to go in that direction was when it didn’t have much to gain or lose from doing it. Like, at its peak, it was as messy and lacked real care and attention to continuity besides in small moments. That’s not disregarding what it does but AEW’s the first WWE/WCW sized promotion to really make an attempt at it. LU...they just needed to get more eyes on it, man. The person who made the deal that signed LU to get aired in Germany and only Germany should have been fired the moment they made it, how the f*** do you let that happen?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 16:45:17 GMT -5
Impact IMO can give them a run for the money in keeping continuity and weaving stories in and out IMO. But neither touches LU when it comes to keeping continuity and paying attention to the details and weaving every single thing together between every single person on the show. Honestly, not to be all “hipster” about it and Impact has a history with stuff but the moment Impact started to go in that direction was when it didn’t have much to gain or lose from doing it. Like, at its peak, it was as messy and lacked real care and attention to continuity besides in small moments. That’s not disregarding what it does but AEW’s the first WWE/WCW sized promotion to really make an attempt at it. LU...they just needed to get more eyes on it, man. The person who made the deal that signed LU to get aired in Germany and only Germany should have been fired the moment they made it, how the f*** do you let that happen? The thing is it did not just air in Germany it aired in india on Dtv which was also airing ROH at the time , they air on SamuraiTV in Japan , they started airing on UK amazon prime...it was just Germany loved LU and really pushed hard to promote it hell they had exclusive merch that no one else got which is all time f***ed up honestly the entire business side of LU was a giant f***ing mess because of how many people wanted their piece of the pie...good thing once november rolls around it will be no more. Anyways Impact really feels more cohesive ever since all the new regime took over and especially now with Rosemary who seems to be gaining more creative power in the company..and just from her booking and that multiverse series she used to she understands how important strong cotinuity is.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 29, 2020 17:42:09 GMT -5
It's more simple than you'd think. AEW feels like it makes sense because they use the win/loss records to help boost their angles.
TNA (the old TNA) never did that, so nothing ever felt big time. The stars wound up not feeling like stars. A sign was when AJ felt bigger after he left.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 29, 2020 17:54:08 GMT -5
TNA/Impact was sometimes even worse about this than WWE was at their peak. Callis and D'Amore have done a lot to right the ship after Dixie, Russo, Hogan, Bischoff, Jarrett, and so many others took their turns trying to sink it. Shame they couldn't be in charge of the product in 2010 instead of 2020.
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Post by toodarkmark on Sept 30, 2020 14:33:37 GMT -5
What I like most about AEW is that it feels like people who love professional wrestling running a professional wrestling company, with a national tv deal. Not to be that guy, but Vince hates professional wrestling, which is why he got rid of the word for decades. It's just, that's how he makes his money. Dixie didn't care for professional wrestling, it's just how she could get famous. To an extent, Jarrett loved pro wrestling, but it's because that's what his dad did (Vince is sort of there too.) As much as I loved WCW, the corporate overlords didn't love wrestling, at most Ted Turner got a kick out of it and understood why people loved it, and the people who ran it got it sort of. Bischoff sold meat, and ended up in pro wrestling to pay bills. Rob Feinstein loved tape sales, and I do think Cary Silkin loves pro wrestling, but they didnt get a national tv deal until Sinclair bought them, and they're a garbage corporation who could care less what ROH does or puts on. I don't know if Verne Gagne loved wrestling by the time they got ESPN, or Fritz Von Erich when they got the christian network deal, or the Crockets (again, their Dad) when they got the TBS spot. I'm not saying they didn't love wrestling, but a lot of people are born into loving it, which is different then falling in love with it. The last guy who LOVED pro wrestling to get a national deal, without being a legacy owner, was Paul Heyman, and TNN just gave him the show as a test run for Vince. They never gave him a chance to do anything he really wanted to do, and the pressure of the national show helped kill ECW.
So this might be the first time a real life fan, who actually loves professional wrestling (not just because his Dad did it), who actually has funds to make it work, who understands that working with the wrestlers and listening to them is a formula for success, is running a wrestling company with a national TV deal in the United States, where the national TV company is 100% committed to it's success.
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