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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Sept 23, 2020 11:44:51 GMT -5
Is that Superman and Lois show still happening on CW? I know they're still banking on the CW/DC shows right now, but part of me wonders if the endgame is to move all DC shows to HBO Max. They just announced a Peacemaker show with Cena.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 11:48:50 GMT -5
Is that Superman and Lois show still happening on CW? I know they're still banking on the CW/DC shows right now, but part of me wonders if the endgame is to move all DC shows to HBO Max. They just announced a Peacemaker show with Cena. I'm pretty sure they still want stuff on network tv. I think the idea is that HBO Max will be their exclusive streaming service going forward.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 23, 2020 12:35:33 GMT -5
Supergirl has always been the weakest arrowveese show. The first season was really good. And there have been some bright points. But the moment dude said “I’m cyborg superman” the show died. Like no dude. You’re cyborg Hank Henshaw. Or John Jonnz. Not Superman. Also the show to me has been overly preaching and other than in the cross overs Kara comes off as Whinney and kinda unlike able most of the time. I watch it because i am a super hero nerd. But it suffers from hardcore CWness. Meaning it’s more one tree hill than action super hero show. So I’ll miss it. But not being preached at every episode. If I wanted that I’d watch church on Tv Hank Henshaw is Cyborg Superman in the comics. Yeah, he didn't use Superman's Kryptonian birthing matrix to give him Superman's appearance in the show, but Project Cadmus giving him Kryptonian-esque powers was close enough for an adaptation.
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 23, 2020 13:58:57 GMT -5
I fell a long way behind, is there a list of essential/skippable episodes anywhere?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 14:10:52 GMT -5
I fell a long way behind, is there a list of essential/skippable episodes anywhere? Basically watch Crisis and then know that afterward Supergirl and Lena became friends again. You're caught up now.
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Sept 23, 2020 14:18:40 GMT -5
I fell a long way behind, is there a list of essential/skippable episodes anywhere? How far behind did you fall? If you wanna catch up right quick watch Crisis on earth X Elseworlds And finally crisis on infinite earths
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Sept 23, 2020 14:23:38 GMT -5
. And of course one of the worst aspects of the show is just how on the nose their allegories for real world stuff is/was. I even agree with their politics generally and even then it was so heavy handed as to just be a full on soapbox. Agreed.Season 4 was really bad for this Half the time I felt like screaming “We get it” I’ve watched everyone episode but as someone else said, it’s the weakest of the arrowverse shows by a long way so think this is the right call
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Post by Cyno on Sept 23, 2020 14:30:52 GMT -5
The weird thing with S4 was that Agent Liberty was way more heroic in the comics. He got involved with some shady stuff at first, but Superman helped him get out of that life and he became a close ally of his and even became a member of the Justice League. The Supergirl version was a f***ing Nazi and as much as I agree with the message of that season, it got really heavy-handed and uncomfortable. And then you had Manchester Black and the Elite in a haphazard attempt to "both sides" things and it really fell flat. Would've been a lot more interesting if they made the Elite more of a Malcolm X as opposed to Supergirl's MLK-esque approach, but nope. Just went right to evil with some on-the-nose catchphrases.
Only good things about S4 were the interactions between Kara and Lena, the Red Daughter herself (Mel's got some damn good acting chops), and of course, the introduction of Jon Cryer's magnificent bastard take on Lex Luthor.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 23, 2020 14:39:11 GMT -5
. And of course one of the worst aspects of the show is just how on the nose their allegories for real world stuff is/was. I even agree with their politics generally and even then it was so heavy handed as to just be a full on soapbox. Agreed.Season 4 was really bad for this Half the time I felt like screaming “We get it” I’ve watched everyone episode but as someone else said, it’s the weakest of the arrowverse shows by a long way so think this is the right call Right, hell like I said I'm even on their side with most if not all the issues they brought up, but even then its like: "Yes, but tell a story, this is a lecture."
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Sept 23, 2020 14:53:26 GMT -5
Manchester Black was the only thing I remotely liked about SuperGirl outside of Cryers Lex.
David Ajala was fantasticly charismatic.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Sept 23, 2020 15:09:48 GMT -5
I'm not surprised given the circumstances. But it was still awesome when Flash and Supergirl had that crossover for the first time.
I miss this more than Arrow. Can't forget that time I was watching and I swear Laurel's name was the only word in the script that episode.
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Post by Muskrat on Sept 23, 2020 18:15:51 GMT -5
I’m fine with this, I’ve gotten pretty burnt out on Supergirl. I’m still invested in all the characters, but the writing has gotten so weak
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 23, 2020 20:34:01 GMT -5
Terrible show, great actor in the lead. Same thing plaguing Grant Gustin after season 2 of his show. I hope she does plenty of guest spots.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Sept 23, 2020 21:50:00 GMT -5
The weird thing with S4 was that Agent Liberty was way more heroic in the comics. He got involved with some shady stuff at first, but Superman helped him get out of that life and he became a close ally of his and even became a member of the Justice League. The Supergirl version was a f***ing Nazi and as much as I agree with the message of that season, it got really heavy-handed and uncomfortable. And then you had Manchester Black and the Elite in a haphazard attempt to "both sides" things and it really fell flat. Would've been a lot more interesting if they made the Elite more of a Malcolm X as opposed to Supergirl's MLK-esque approach, but nope. Just went right to evil with some on-the-nose catchphrases. Only good things about S4 were the interactions between Kara and Lena, the Red Daughter herself (Mel's got some damn good acting chops), and of course, the introduction of Jon Cryer's magnificent bastard take on Lex Luthor.
I dunno why they even bothered with Agent Liberty doing the anti-alien stuff when Lex Luthor was right there for that sort of thing.
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Sept 23, 2020 22:00:42 GMT -5
Terrible show, great actor in the lead. Same thing plaguing Grant Gustin after season 2 of his show. I hope she does plenty of guest spots. Flash has gotten much better once the show got a new show runner this past season and has been the most consistent since season 2. Flash's problem has always been how to balance hero and big bad without making either too OP but also not making either a push over that isn't just another speedster....I loved The Thinker in season 4 when he of course was played by Neil because he changed how Barry dealt with this problem and made for a very interesting season the only let down was they took away an extrodinary actor to body swap to people no one wanted to see.
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Post by King Boo on Sept 23, 2020 22:33:22 GMT -5
The seasons are also too long. Part of why Legends is so tight, imo, is because they have less episodes to work with. The season flies by, which makes me sad, but I also know that part of the reason I'm enjoying it so much is because it doesn't drag.
Flash sometimes has a tendency to feel like its dragging in the final third and I'm convinced that's mostly because they have too many episodes to fill. Arrow had the same problem. Supergirl, I don't know about recent seasons; I gave up after season three. But considering it has the same number of episodes ordered as those two, I'm assuming it runs into the same issue. It sucks when you see the story reaching its natural ending that you're ready for, but it's only something like episode 16 of 23. The Damien Darhk storyline in S4 of Arrow springs to mind as a really big victim of that.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 23, 2020 22:50:01 GMT -5
Terrible show, great actor in the lead. Same thing plaguing Grant Gustin after season 2 of his show. I hope she does plenty of guest spots. Flash has gotten much better once the show got a new show runner this past season and has been the most consistent since season 2. Flash's problem has always been how to balance hero and big bad without making either too OP but also not making either a push over that isn't just another speedster....I loved The Thinker in season 4 when he of course was played by Neil because he changed how Barry dealt with this problem and made for a very interesting season the only let down was they took away an extrodinary actor to body swap to people no one wanted to see. Still wish they'd continue on with Ralph's new actor as a regular cast member instead of just using him to finish off his and Sue's arc. Unless that was the plan from the getgo, don't see the reason why you have to sacrifice a character just because his original actor made some really idiotic tweets a few years ago. Especially as the character can shapeshift.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Sept 24, 2020 0:51:38 GMT -5
Terrible show, great actor in the lead. Same thing plaguing Grant Gustin after season 2 of his show. I hope she does plenty of guest spots. Flash has gotten much better once the show got a new show runner this past season and has been the most consistent since season 2. Flash's problem has always been how to balance hero and big bad without making either too OP but also not making either a push over that isn't just another speedster....I loved The Thinker in season 4 when he of course was played by Neil because he changed how Barry dealt with this problem and made for a very interesting season the only let down was they took away an extrodinary actor to body swap to people no one wanted to see. Thankfully, this last season they decided to take a Once Upon a Time route and treat it as two smaller but separate seasons. Bloodwork at the beginning and then Mirror Master at the end. Honestly, it kind of worked in their favor that the season ended where it was because of COVID. Nice to see a season end on a note that they did, set up for a very interesting season coming up.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 24, 2020 1:40:03 GMT -5
The weird thing with S4 was that Agent Liberty was way more heroic in the comics. He got involved with some shady stuff at first, but Superman helped him get out of that life and he became a close ally of his and even became a member of the Justice League. The Supergirl version was a f***ing Nazi and as much as I agree with the message of that season, it got really heavy-handed and uncomfortable. And then you had Manchester Black and the Elite in a haphazard attempt to "both sides" things and it really fell flat. Would've been a lot more interesting if they made the Elite more of a Malcolm X as opposed to Supergirl's MLK-esque approach, but nope. Just went right to evil with some on-the-nose catchphrases. Only good things about S4 were the interactions between Kara and Lena, the Red Daughter herself (Mel's got some damn good acting chops), and of course, the introduction of Jon Cryer's magnificent bastard take on Lex Luthor.
I liked season 4. Liberty was paint by numbers, but he was carried by a damn good performance from Sam Witwer. And it looks even better when Flash had Cicada that same year, who had similar motivations, and he was played by Chris Klein. Pretty easy to see who got the stronger actor. And there was Manchester Black and his rightful hatred, but he took it too far. And of course Cryer's Lex. Having multiple main villains helped the season, so that one villain didn't get boring, like The Flash has had the last few years. Having multiple main villains doesn't rely on your team of smart heroes being idiots 95% of the time. They did screw up the hints of Liberty wondering just what the f*** is going on. He asked the Senator why she changed her vote to his side, and didn't look happy when she told him to just take a win. They set up that he was second guessing everything, and just said "f*** it."
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Post by Muskrat on Sept 24, 2020 12:12:16 GMT -5
Flash has gotten much better once the show got a new show runner this past season and has been the most consistent since season 2. Flash's problem has always been how to balance hero and big bad without making either too OP but also not making either a push over that isn't just another speedster....I loved The Thinker in season 4 when he of course was played by Neil because he changed how Barry dealt with this problem and made for a very interesting season the only let down was they took away an extrodinary actor to body swap to people no one wanted to see. Thankfully, this last season they decided to take a Once Upon a Time route and treat it as two smaller but separate seasons. Bloodwork at the beginning and then Mirror Master at the end. Honestly, it kind of worked in their favor that the season ended where it was because of COVID. Nice to see a season end on a note that they did, set up for a very interesting season coming up. Yeah, the two mini arcs worked way better. I’ve believed for ages that the Arrowverse shows would benefit from 13 episode seasons to really tighten things up. 20-22 leads to too much filler
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