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Post by Glitch on Sept 24, 2020 15:18:59 GMT -5
People whine whenever AEW mentions the company up north, but I thought Eddie calling Mox a sports entertainer who sold out fit perfectly with his character. He really made it work.
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Post by bob on Sept 24, 2020 15:26:14 GMT -5
that was the stiffest match I've seen in eons
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Post by toodarkmark on Sept 24, 2020 15:43:21 GMT -5
People whine whenever AEW mentions the company up north, but I thought Eddie calling Mox a sports entertainer who sold out fit perfectly with his character. He really made it work. The people who whine need to get over it. This unspoken rule about not mentioning Stamford is really a concept created by Stamford. Wrestlers can and should talk about where they worked, how they feel, and things about other wrestlers that are real. This pretending that Stamford doesn't exist is just silly. And when people mention TNA, I think I will trust Eddie Kingston to get something over a lot better then Vince Russo.
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Post by King Devitt on Sept 25, 2020 18:36:42 GMT -5
This was a dream match for me, well, a dream feud.
I wanted a full on program with both men working promos leading up to the match, but I'm happy with what we got. I hope we get a more extended feud down the road b/c mic work alone over a few weeks would make a rematch even more must see.
I loved how stiff the match was, and that Mox isn't predictable in how he wins matches. So while you're looking to avoid the Paradigm Shift, he'll just choke you out.
I hope they revisit this in the future, it can be a year or two, doesn't even need the title. I just want a full program with both guys.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 18:38:57 GMT -5
People whine whenever AEW mentions the company up north, but I thought Eddie calling Mox a sports entertainer who sold out fit perfectly with his character. He really made it work. The people who whine need to get over it. This unspoken rule about not mentioning Stamford is really a concept created by Stamford. Wrestlers can and should talk about where they worked, how they feel, and things about other wrestlers that are real. This pretending that Stamford doesn't exist is just silly. And when people mention TNA, I think I will trust Eddie Kingston to get something over a lot better then Vince Russo. Bringing up WWE is fine, and while I'm not saying this is what AEW does at all, what pushes bringing them up into lame territory is when you constantly bring them any chance you can to speak ill of them. Acknowleding their existence is fine, but letting every former talent "shoot" like a jilted ex is what makes it eye-rolling, I guess would be a good way to put it
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Post by toodarkmark on Sept 25, 2020 20:17:49 GMT -5
The people who whine need to get over it. This unspoken rule about not mentioning Stamford is really a concept created by Stamford. Wrestlers can and should talk about where they worked, how they feel, and things about other wrestlers that are real. This pretending that Stamford doesn't exist is just silly. And when people mention TNA, I think I will trust Eddie Kingston to get something over a lot better then Vince Russo. Bringing up WWE is fine, and while I'm not saying this is what AEW does at all, what pushes bringing them up into lame territory is when you constantly bring them any chance you can to speak ill of them. Acknowleding their existence is fine, but letting every former talent "shoot" like a jilted ex is what makes it eye-rolling, I guess would be a good way to put it So you're going to tell talent they're free to do what they want, except talk about their ex employer? Why? Because a few fans don't like it? No thanks. When you allow people freedom, then you let them be free. You tell them no racism, no misogeny, no mocking the troops, or whatever, but WWE? Who cares. Say what you want about them. That's what freedom is like, and it's hard for alot of wrestling fans to accept wrestlers talking however they want.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Sept 25, 2020 21:14:05 GMT -5
Honestly, it was the kind of match Mox needed to have for me to buy into him again.
When he first showed up in AEW, he was a guy who just wanted to fight, take down the mythical name known as Kenny Omega. Then shifted his attention to Jericho, and from that point on... I honestly didn't see much difference between him as Jon Moxley and him as Dean Ambrose. That's why I didn't mind Kingston mentioning WWE because it was calling attention to Moxley going full face and thereby, maybe had become a bit watered down. So the match ended up being stiff as hell out of necessity. It elevated Kingston as well as got Mox back to who he wants to be rather than who we've grown accustomed to him being as Dean Ambrose.
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Post by Derk! on Sept 25, 2020 21:15:28 GMT -5
If they can pull off a hell of a match booked at the last second(and with an amazing Kingston promo), imagine the fued with a proper build-up.
Hope to see them fued down the line.
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Post by badkarma on Sept 25, 2020 21:53:21 GMT -5
First off, hats off to Mox, and Kingston, for having a great match, especially on such short notice. I'd love to see what they can do with more time and a proper build. Kingston may be the best promo in the business right now.
If I would have told you one year ago that the three hottest names in North American pro wrestling for 2020 would be Orange Cassidy, Mr. Brodie Lee, and Eddie f****** Kingston, would you have believed me? OC was just a joke and could never be taken seriously. Brodie was just a generic "big guy" with no mic skills. Kingston's didn't have the body or "right look" to be considered a top guy. All of these men believed in themselves and I'm happy to see them reaping the rewards from decades of hard work.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 26, 2020 5:47:10 GMT -5
Bringing up WWE is fine, and while I'm not saying this is what AEW does at all, what pushes bringing them up into lame territory is when you constantly bring them any chance you can to speak ill of them. Acknowleding their existence is fine, but letting every former talent "shoot" like a jilted ex is what makes it eye-rolling, I guess would be a good way to put it So you're going to tell talent they're free to do what they want, except talk about their ex employer? Why? Because a few fans don't like it? No thanks. When you allow people freedom, then you let them be free. You tell them no racism, no misogeny, no mocking the troops, or whatever, but WWE? Who cares. Say what you want about them. That's what freedom is like, and it's hard for alot of wrestling fans to accept wrestlers talking however they want. AEW may not script promos but I doubt they just send guys out there and tell them to just say whatever they want. They probably advise them what bullet points to hit in the promo and let them come up with their own verbiage.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 26, 2020 5:51:47 GMT -5
So you're going to tell talent they're free to do what they want, except talk about their ex employer? Why? Because a few fans don't like it? No thanks. When you allow people freedom, then you let them be free. You tell them no racism, no misogeny, no mocking the troops, or whatever, but WWE? Who cares. Say what you want about them. That's what freedom is like, and it's hard for alot of wrestling fans to accept wrestlers talking however they want. AEW may not script promos but I doubt they just send guys out there and tell them to just say whatever they want. They probably advise them what bullet points to hit in the promo and let them come up with their own verbiage. They might be given bullet points to hit but when it comes to Eddie especially he has been candid about his promos not being scripted at all, everything is off the top, which is god damn impressive.
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Post by The Lach is very tired on Sept 26, 2020 6:39:13 GMT -5
I love those sort of matches, two grizzled guys just smacking the everloving piss out of each other. Reminded me of some of the NEVER openweight stuff from recent years whith Shibata, Goto, Ishii, Suzuki etc. I was bummed when the 6 man tag was called off but thrilled with the replacement.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 26, 2020 8:09:31 GMT -5
I wasn’t happy with the Kingston promo to set it up because I still think those kind of shots AEW keeps taking at WWE come off petty, but it was a good hard hitting and aggressive match.
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Post by Hurbster on Sept 26, 2020 9:41:54 GMT -5
I wasn’t happy with the Kingston promo to set it up because I still think those kind of shots AEW keeps taking at WWE come off petty, but it was a good hard hitting and aggressive match. Great match, promo was good until the usual bollocks. Also speaking about freedom, what about the freedom to criticise a promotion without being called 'whiners' or being told to 'get over it'? The WWE mentions is a valid point. But apparently, some people have determined that we are not allowed to criticise it.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 26, 2020 10:41:09 GMT -5
I wasn’t happy with the Kingston promo to set it up because I still think those kind of shots AEW keeps taking at WWE come off petty, but it was a good hard hitting and aggressive match. Great match, promo was good until the usual bollocks. Also speaking about freedom, what about the freedom to criticise a promotion without being called 'whiners' or being told to 'get over it'? The WWE mentions is a valid point. But apparently, some people have determined that we are not allowed to criticise it. I mean, to an extent I get it- if you’re watching lots of WWE and growing unsatisfied with their tropes, those kinds of promos are like red meat. The wrestlers themselves are fans, they’re probably the biggest fans and they have opinions. I should know, given how much I personally complain about WWE. I think my issue with it is, if you’re the best, then just show me by putting on the product you want to air. It feels more classy to me when announcers acknowledge other companies by mentioning how a wrestler has won titles elsewhere, so they’re coming in as a proven threat. It’s not as if they’d be acting like the other company was superior or something, more like “here’s someone who’s been successful, and now they’re in our company looking for success, meaning our titles are really big-time.” Stuff like that to me is more constructive than promotions acting like “we’re the only legit and credible wrestling out there and those other guys are showbiz frauds”, which is the air that Eddie promo gave to me.
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Post by toodarkmark on Sept 26, 2020 10:52:16 GMT -5
Great match, promo was good until the usual bollocks. Also speaking about freedom, what about the freedom to criticise a promotion without being called 'whiners' or being told to 'get over it'? The WWE mentions is a valid point. But apparently, some people have determined that we are not allowed to criticise it. I mean, to an extent I get it- if you’re watching lots of WWE and growing unsatisfied with their tropes, those kinds of promos are like red meat. The wrestlers themselves are fans, they’re probably the biggest fans and they have opinions. I should know, given how much I personally complain about WWE. I think my issue with it is, if you’re the best, then just show me by putting on the product you want to air. It feels more classy to me when announcers acknowledge other companies by mentioning how a wrestler has won titles elsewhere, so they’re coming in as a proven threat. It’s not as if they’d be acting like the other company was superior or something, more like “here’s someone who’s been successful, and now they’re in our company looking for success, meaning our titles are really big-time.” Stuff like that to me is more constructive than promotions acting like “we’re the only legit and credible wrestling out there and those other guys are showbiz frauds”, which is the air that Eddie promo gave to me. What if that's what Eddie Kingston believes?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 26, 2020 11:03:25 GMT -5
I mean, to an extent I get it- if you’re watching lots of WWE and growing unsatisfied with their tropes, those kinds of promos are like red meat. The wrestlers themselves are fans, they’re probably the biggest fans and they have opinions. I should know, given how much I personally complain about WWE. I think my issue with it is, if you’re the best, then just show me by putting on the product you want to air. It feels more classy to me when announcers acknowledge other companies by mentioning how a wrestler has won titles elsewhere, so they’re coming in as a proven threat. It’s not as if they’d be acting like the other company was superior or something, more like “here’s someone who’s been successful, and now they’re in our company looking for success, meaning our titles are really big-time.” Stuff like that to me is more constructive than promotions acting like “we’re the only legit and credible wrestling out there and those other guys are showbiz frauds”, which is the air that Eddie promo gave to me. What if that's what Eddie Kingston believes? I’m 99.9% convinced those were his real feelings, I’d just rather he say them on a podcast and focused on how he’s gonna beat Moxley up during Dynamite. Him inferring that Jon was “entertaining people” in a rival company is a bit too fourth wall breaking for me. Part of it also is because I’d prefer companies to treat all wrestling everywhere like real, credible competition within their kayfabe (even when the styles are different).
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Post by toodarkmark on Sept 26, 2020 11:12:42 GMT -5
What if that's what Eddie Kingston believes? I’m 99.9% convinced those were his real feelings, I’d just rather he say them on a podcast and focused on how he’s gonna beat Moxley up during Dynamite. Him inferring that Jon was “entertaining people” in a rival company is a bit too fourth wall breaking for me. Part of it also is because I’d prefer companies to treat all wrestling everywhere like real, credible competition within their kayfabe (even when the styles are different). But the thing is, this is what he wanted to say. I just don't think there is any legitimate reason to ban wrestlers from talking about WWE, if I'm AEW. You're right to an extent, but to me the only think that should be banned is something offensive to a group of people, and wrestlers wanting to throw shade at WWE doesn't rise up to that for me. So I accept things I don't care for sometimes, because I know that wrestlers being allowed to be themselves is 100 times better then not.
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Post by markymark on Sept 26, 2020 11:13:08 GMT -5
Highest demo of the night for AEW, well earned.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 26, 2020 11:28:41 GMT -5
I’m 99.9% convinced those were his real feelings, I’d just rather he say them on a podcast and focused on how he’s gonna beat Moxley up during Dynamite. Him inferring that Jon was “entertaining people” in a rival company is a bit too fourth wall breaking for me. Part of it also is because I’d prefer companies to treat all wrestling everywhere like real, credible competition within their kayfabe (even when the styles are different). But the thing is, this is what he wanted to say. I just don't think there is any legitimate reason to ban wrestlers from talking about WWE, if I'm AEW. You're right to an extent, but to me the only think that should be banned is something offensive to a group of people, and wrestlers wanting to throw shade at WWE doesn't rise up to that for me. So I accept things I don't care for sometimes, because I know that wrestlers being allowed to be themselves is 100 times better then not. Oh I don't want them to be banned from saying anything, outside of genuinely bad stuff that'll offend or make sponsors flee. But if I was in Eddie's spot I'd just be all "I've been doing true strong style longer than you, bring it."
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