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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 27, 2020 15:43:22 GMT -5
Paul Birchall had a cool gimmick with the ripper and then nothing Birchall had a few times where he could have been something. The Birchall and Katie pairing could have worked (well without the implied incest which they did drop fairly quick regardless) and done something but they never really gave them anything to do at all... Before that Birchall was super over as the Pirate... but he had a knee injury that took him out for like a year and the writers apparently hated the gimmick so it was dropped when he came back. Mr. Kennedy Good look, good talker, and his mic from the ceiling "Kennedy! Kennedy!" thing was incredibly over. Then he injured the wrong people and got fired. I know he's still around, and he had a TNA world title run (and in modern times is considered one of the worst world champions in that company's history), but he was all set to be a huge star, and never got there. He also was his own worst enemy... he pissed a bunch of people off so they didn't want to work with him. he'd run his mouth about things about how great the wellness policy was and such... and then like the next week he was punished for breaking it... not to mention one of the worst timed injuries in history where everyone was under the impression he'd be out for a year... and instead he was only out for like a month...
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Post by sungod2020 on Sept 27, 2020 16:03:58 GMT -5
Yea, even at that time I said they should had gave Ryback a one month run and put it back on Punk before the Rumble to drop it to The Rock Then he got over heavy again when he was splitting from Axel and they did nothing with it I always thought they should've had him win the Rumble and face Big Show at WM29 and get a World Heavyweight Championship run. Instead they had Del Rio vs Swagger for some reason and Ryback jobbed to Mark Henry. I can't say I agree that he should've been World champion, especially not this early in his run. He debuted in April 2012, but squashing no name jobbers ala Goldberg(he even got some Goldberg chants), before moving to JTTS like Jinder Mahal and then thrown into a main event PPV with John Cena and CM Punk(as someone mentioned) in October before dropping back down the card. Was runner up in the Royal Rumble before jobbing to Mark Henry at Wrestlemania 29 only to turn heel against Cena and lose before floundering back down the midcard. They should've built him up first before rushing to the main event. After he's finished devouring jobbers, have him run through midcarders before landing an actual feud, maybe even for the IC title. If that goes over, then gradually move him into the main event within two years time, similar to how The Ultimate Warrior was pushed. There's still a matter of his dangerous workrate though that might've held him back to some degree.
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Post by bob on Sept 27, 2020 16:05:05 GMT -5
Sean O'Haire with the devils advocate gimmick
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Post by malloc on Sept 27, 2020 18:11:44 GMT -5
Yeah, guys who had multi-year careers on WWE television and PPV did "make it," IMO. Good point not everyone can be top of the card. I guess we could narrow the scope to those with unfulfilled potential or people who burnt-out early.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 18:25:51 GMT -5
Carlitos underachievement was turned into a storyline!
Billy Gunn as a singles star, guy could talk and wrestle I think what doomed him was he’s an asthmatic so can’t do long matches.
Titus O’Neill has a good look and his IRL exploits means they’d push him for the PR if only he wasn’t so clumsy, it must frustrate Vince as he’s everything Vince loves in a wrestler but even protecting the guy with Warrior like squash matches can’t disguise him walking to the ring with the grace of a new born wildebeest.
Some of the women from the period just before AJ and Paige (with some underrated help from the Bellas) got the crowd to care while the horsewomen were learning the ropes. Most notably Kaitlyn, just unlucky timing.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Sept 27, 2020 19:26:55 GMT -5
I always thought they should've had him win the Rumble and face Big Show at WM29 and get a World Heavyweight Championship run. Instead they had Del Rio vs Swagger for some reason and Ryback jobbed to Mark Henry. I can't say I agree that he should've been World champion, especially not this early in his run. He debuted in April 2012, but squashing no name jobbers ala Goldberg(he even got some Goldberg chants), before moving to JTTS like Jinder Mahal and then thrown into a main event PPV with John Cena and CM Punk(as someone mentioned) in October before dropping back down the card. Was runner up in the Royal Rumble before jobbing to Mark Henry at Wrestlemania 29 only to turn heel against Cena and lose before floundering back down the midcard. They should've built him up first before rushing to the main event. After he's finished devouring jobbers, have him run through midcarders before landing an actual feud, maybe even for the IC title. If that goes over, then gradually move him into the main event within two years time, similar to how The Ultimate Warrior was pushed. There's still a matter of his dangerous workrate though that might've held him back to some degree. I'm not saying WWE Champion. I'm talking Big Gold Belt. If Jack Swagger could fight for it at Mania, there's no reason that Ryback, who was getting huge reactions in late 2013/early 2013, couldn't have had a run for a few months with the Big Gold.
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Post by angelofapocalypse on Sept 27, 2020 19:32:58 GMT -5
Heel Doink had the it factor, but once he turned face, it all went downhill.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Sept 27, 2020 19:40:46 GMT -5
I came here to say this. Awesome look and character back when in ring skills didn't matter as much. With all the gimmicks in WWE I don't know how he didn't go much further. If I was re-booking that era I'd have him feuding around the IC title level. Done right, both Bomb and Kona Crush could have been on par with Ultimate Warrior as colourful powerhouses. Kona Crush was weird to me, because had the Hawaiian gimmick and the purple and yellow gear, but had a heavy metal theme song. It was actually a decent tune, but wouldn't a surf rock song be more fitting for the gimmick?
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Post by petef3 on Sept 28, 2020 0:02:23 GMT -5
He didn't adapt the Hawaiian part of the gimmick until a few months into the run.
And just as a general clarification: while the term "Kona Crush" tends to refer to the neon babyface Crush, that term to my knowledge was never used until well after his heel turn.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 29, 2020 7:08:34 GMT -5
Kenny Dykstra. He was so protected early and was put in a feud with Flair but he just couldn't catch on after the Spirit Squad.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Sept 29, 2020 7:53:27 GMT -5
Carlitos underachievement was turned into a storyline! Billy Gunn as a singles star, guy could talk and wrestle I think what doomed him was he’s an asthmatic so can’t do long matches. Titus O’Neill has a good look and his IRL exploits means they’d push him for the PR if only he wasn’t so clumsy, it must frustrate Vince as he’s everything Vince loves in a wrestler but even protecting the guy with Warrior like squash matches can’t disguise him walking to the ring with the grace of a new born wildebeest. Some of the women from the period just before AJ and Paige (with some underrated help from the Bellas) got the crowd to care while the horsewomen were learning the ropes. Most notably Kaitlyn, just unlucky timing. It looks like Kaitlynn was still working indies as recently as last year. Not sure why she hasn’t appeared for any bigger promotions for years. Maybe she doesn’t want to work full time anywhere but will pick up a few bucks here and there?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 2, 2020 17:28:03 GMT -5
Carlitos underachievement was turned into a storyline! Billy Gunn as a singles star, guy could talk and wrestle I think what doomed him was he’s an asthmatic so can’t do long matches. Titus O’Neill has a good look and his IRL exploits means they’d push him for the PR if only he wasn’t so clumsy, it must frustrate Vince as he’s everything Vince loves in a wrestler but even protecting the guy with Warrior like squash matches can’t disguise him walking to the ring with the grace of a new born wildebeest. Some of the women from the period just before AJ and Paige (with some underrated help from the Bellas) got the crowd to care while the horsewomen were learning the ropes. Most notably Kaitlyn, just unlucky timing. It looks like Kaitlynn was still working indies as recently as last year. Not sure why she hasn’t appeared for any bigger promotions for years. Maybe she doesn’t want to work full time anywhere but will pick up a few bucks here and there? She built a fitness brand with her husband, but when they split I think it got nasty and a lot of that collapsed - plus she had substance abuse issues. I think she was only dipping her toe back into indie dates around the last MYC - and she became the champion of a promotion in Africa a few months back too?
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Post by Barry Jobber 81 on Jan 7, 2021 15:45:47 GMT -5
Big Bully Busick. He was a hot heel in 1991. He'd enter the ring with Harvey Wippleman, bullying the fans at ringside. In one memorable moment, Busick popped a little girl's chewing gum with his cigar and it blew up in her face! But after he lost to Bret Hart, his career went downhill from there.
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Post by Triangle Lancer on Jan 9, 2021 9:40:09 GMT -5
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Post by karl100589 on Jan 9, 2021 15:49:37 GMT -5
Mordecai deserved more of a chance then the 5+ weeks he was on TV.
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 9, 2021 16:10:17 GMT -5
I would say Papa Shango. As Bobby Heenan said at Royal Rumble, "he might make everyone disappear." The type of character he was should have been able do so magic at the Rumble. It was a very unique look and gimmick but it just didn't work out. Maybe he was pushed too early. Rather than coming out for a random, botched appearance at Wrestlemania and immediately going into an awful Warrior feud, he should have gone through jobbers for a few months until maybe late 1992 or early 1993. Demolition went a little over a year before they would be in a pretty big position with WWF. That's the way they needed to do Papa Shango. He also should get a squash at Summerslam and Survivor Series against someone being phased out or being pushed down the card. Let him have a televised match against Tito and let him beat Duggan at Survivor Series. Following those PPVs, then establish a feud with Undertaker. Shango was much better of a worker than Giant Gonzalez and a feud between the two would make sense. At least Charles Wright found something that worked and made him very popular with the Godfather. Mordecai deserved more of a chance then the 5+ weeks he was on TV. I remember when Mordecai debuted and some guy on a message board kept asking over and over "Is Mordecai Gangrael?" The misspelling infuriated me because after people told him they weren't the same and they also spelled Gangrel correctly, he still kept starting that he thought Mordecai was "Gangrael."
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 9, 2021 17:27:40 GMT -5
Billy Gunn as a singles star, guy could talk and wrestle I think what doomed him was he’s an asthmatic so can’t do long matches. Some of the women from the period just before AJ and Paige (with some underrated help from the Bellas) got the crowd to care while the horsewomen were learning the ropes. Most notably Kaitlyn, just unlucky timing. Damn never know that, he probably wouldn't get through WWE's cardio trials these days. Good call on Kaitlyn you'd have thought her career would be entwined with AJ like Trish/Lita or Sasha/Bayley at one point. There was also that giant woman that got fired for doing porn in the past. I'd say Emma and Summer Rae too.
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Post by Garyspivey on Jan 9, 2021 18:08:27 GMT -5
Billy Gunn as a singles star, guy could talk and wrestle I think what doomed him was he’s an asthmatic so can’t do long matches. Some of the women from the period just before AJ and Paige (with some underrated help from the Bellas) got the crowd to care while the horsewomen were learning the ropes. Most notably Kaitlyn, just unlucky timing. Damn never know that, he probably wouldn't get through WWE's cardio trials these days. Good call on Kaitlyn you'd have thought her career would be entwined with AJ like Trish/Lita or Sasha/Bayley at one point. There was also that giant woman that got fired for doing porn in the past. I'd say Emma and Summer Rae too. I thought the Bob but my name’s Billy promo killed his credibility, he couldn’t keep up promo wise like a lot of the other main eventers could
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Post by thegame415 on Jan 9, 2021 19:35:21 GMT -5
Damn never know that, he probably wouldn't get through WWE's cardio trials these days. Good call on Kaitlyn you'd have thought her career would be entwined with AJ like Trish/Lita or Sasha/Bayley at one point. There was also that giant woman that got fired for doing porn in the past. I'd say Emma and Summer Rae too. I thought the Bob but my name’s Billy promo killed his credibility, he couldn’t keep up promo wise like a lot of the other main eventers could I've always thought it was the fact that he had a gimmick and not really an arc or story. Dude was basically a guy with an ass fetish, yet you were putting him against a guy like The Rock who has a fully developed arc and character. Billy needed something more that just being a guy who likes asses. For example, maybe he's trying to prove he's not just a tag team wrestler.
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Post by petef3 on Jan 9, 2021 23:24:55 GMT -5
You can count on one hand the number of Billy Gunn singles matches that even approach the level of mediocre. Benoit couldn't even get a good match out of him. The only decent one that I can recall is a TV match against Owen Hart, I think on the Foley/Funk Dumpster episode of Raw.
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