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Post by tenshi on Nov 16, 2020 16:11:14 GMT -5
Can you imagine Houston rolling it back with those two dudes who have no desire to be there? Imagine the insane stat-padding both guys would try for. It would be glorious. Let Houston crumble within itself and let's see how it plays out. |
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Post by sfvega on Nov 16, 2020 17:19:15 GMT -5
Gigantic return for OKC. Last year, CP3 was thought to be a pretty cheap asset and only got trumped by Westbrook being a real disaster contract and Houston pretending they were still contenders. Now after Paul's great season, OKC gets Oubre, Rubio, and a 1st in the 2022 double rookie class. They've got SGA, Dort, Oubre, and a slew of 1sts to build around. Meanwhile, Phoenix pays CP3 85 mil for 2 years and prays those hammies hold up. Might work out real bad if Paul is hobbled or slow in his age 36 season for that 2022 pick. Haven't heard about what (if any) protection is on it. I imagine there is some. Wonder if Oubre wants to stick around tho.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 16, 2020 18:28:24 GMT -5
Gigantic return for OKC. Last year, CP3 was thought to be a pretty cheap asset and only got trumped by Westbrook being a real disaster contract and Houston pretending they were still contenders. Now after Paul's great season, OKC gets Oubre, Rubio, and a 1st in the 2022 double rookie class. They've got SGA, Dort, Oubre, and a slew of 1sts to build around. Meanwhile, Phoenix pays CP3 85 mil for 2 years and prays those hammies hold up. Might work out real bad if Paul is hobbled or slow in his age 36 season for that 2022 pick. Haven't heard about what (if any) protection is on it. I imagine there is some. Wonder if Oubre wants to stick around tho. OKC bought low on CP3 and sold high Add on Westbrook value plummeting, OKC is making out really well |
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Nov 16, 2020 20:48:25 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 16, 2020 20:58:13 GMT -5
How many f**ing extensions has Harden signed already anyway
Harden to Nets have a real possibility to happen and if I had to make a trade scenario I would say:
Nets: James Harden, Eric Gordon
Rockets: Caris LeVert, DeAndre Jordan, Taurean Prince, Spencer Diwiddie at least two first round picks
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Post by sfvega on Nov 16, 2020 21:41:05 GMT -5
How many f**ing extensions has Harden signed already anyway Harden to Nets have a real possibility to happen and if I had to make a trade scenario I would say: Nets: James Harden, Eric Gordon Rockets: Caris LeVert, DeAndre Jordan, Taurean Prince, Spencer Diwiddie at least two first round picks It sucks for Houston. I love having a league where players aren't merely pawns like they are in the NHL and MLB. And even worse in the NFL. But the NBA's balance has gone too far in the other direction. I hate to see guys like Harden or AD force their way to one team and there's entire franchises and cities who left hanging on their whims. Houston shouldn't get less than Allen, one of LeVert/Dinwiddie, and unprotected 1sts in 2021 and 2022+. Of course, salary to match. But the Lakers set the asking price for a MVP caliber player. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 16, 2020 21:48:04 GMT -5
How many f**ing extensions has Harden signed already anyway Harden to Nets have a real possibility to happen and if I had to make a trade scenario I would say: Nets: James Harden, Eric Gordon Rockets: Caris LeVert, DeAndre Jordan, Taurean Prince, Spencer Diwiddie at least two first round picks It sucks for Houston. I love having a league where players aren't merely pawns like they are in the NHL and MLB. And even worse in the NFL. But the NBA's balance has gone too far in the other direction. I hate to see guys like Harden or AD force their way to one team and there's entire franchises and cities who left hanging on their whims. Houston shouldn't get less than Allen, one of LeVert/Dinwiddie, and unprotected 1sts in 2021 and 2022+. Of course, salary to match. But the Lakers set the asking price for a MVP caliber player. Jared Allen would def go in a normal circumstance and he could still be added to the deal but they can make a trade without including him too Most likely my scenario is modest. Considering what OKC got for PG13 and what Lakers got for AD, Nets will have to give up 3 first round picks at least. Thing is Nets don't have to make that trade but they will. Philly will probably try to up the offer heavy tho |
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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 17, 2020 0:12:13 GMT -5
Jrue Holiday to Bucks for Bledsoe, Hill, and three future first rounders, via Woj. Pick swaps too I believe.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Nov 17, 2020 0:40:01 GMT -5
Jrue Holiday to Bucks for Bledsoe, Hill, and three future first rounders, via Woj. Pick swaps too I believe. Selling their souls to keep Giannis. If he signs the Supermax it’s worth it. |
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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 17, 2020 0:50:40 GMT -5
Jrue Holiday to Bucks for Bledsoe, Hill, and three future first rounders, via Woj. Pick swaps too I believe. Selling their souls to keep Giannis. If he signs the Supermax it’s worth it. I mean, they gotta do what they gotta do. If he walks it sucks, and this deal could easily look awful either way, but they are definitely banking on winning in the next few years, which looks very competitive at the moment. |
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Post by sfvega on Nov 17, 2020 0:50:56 GMT -5
Milwaukee got bent over. New Orleans comes out looking amazing given they already had a bunch of 1sts and swaps from LA.
Milwaukee needed to add a scorer, and Jrue is a scorer. But he's more of a guy who works in the offense than someone who completely takes over when things are going poorly. He's a good, not amazing, deep shooter. That defense that he's known for is great, but defense wasn't the issue for Milwaukee. The issue is that Milwaukee's offense is very predictable and painfully average when Giannis gets keyed on. Jrue is undoubtedly an upgrade over Bledsoe on offense, and the defense helps. But this is a huge price tag for a step forward when they need two or three.
They're also rumored to be getting Bogdan Bogdanovic in a S&T. Bogdan is actually a VERY good deep shooter, which is exactly what they need. But the combined price for these guys is going to be very steep for what they added. Hell, you could probably have taken all those assets and added Bradley Beal in one fell swoop.
I ultimately think Bogdan is a pretty good add for them, and Jrue is a very good player but a little bit too much like Middleton. A guy who is great on D, but "only" very good on offense. Not the type of guy you iso and he takes over when things are going bad. Way more well rounded than someone like DeRozan, but I feel like DeRozan is more of what they need.
I also feel like the Pels and Kings should just keep dealing, and that new cap space for NO could go to Buddy Hield. They need a shooter there badly, who completely lets the PG do his thing. He fits with Lonzo like a glove. And Pels are going to spend those firsts somewhere outside of the draft eventually. I feel like they'd both love that deal.
Bob Cov to Portland is also rumored and what a great get for Portland. He's basically a younger, better Ariza. Not sure what Houston is doing there.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 17, 2020 0:53:42 GMT -5
Milwaukee got bent over. New Orleans comes out looking amazing given they already had a bunch of 1sts and swaps from LA. Milwaukee needed to add a scorer, and Jrue is a scorer. But he's more of a guy who works in the offense than someone who completely takes over when things are going poorly. He's a good, not amazing, deep shooter. That defense that he's known for is great, but defense wasn't the issue for Milwaukee. The issue is that Milwaukee's offense is very predictable and painfully average when Giannis gets keyed on. Jrue is undoubtedly an upgrade over Bledsoe on offense, and the defense helps. But this is a huge price tag for a step forward when they need two or three. They're also rumored to be getting Bogdan Bogdanovic in a S&T. Bogdan is actually a VERY good deep shooter, which is exactly what they need. But the combined price for these guys is going to be very steep for what they added. Hell, you could probably have taken all those assets and added Bradley Beal in one fell swoop. I ultimately think Bogdan is a pretty good add for them, and Jrue is a very good player but a little bit too much like Middleton. A guy who is great on D, but "only" very good on offense. Not the type of guy you iso and he takes over when things are going bad. Way more well rounded than someone like DeRozan, but I feel like DeRozan is more of what they need. I also feel like the Pels and Kings should just keep dealing, and that new cap space for NO could go to Buddy Hield. They need a shooter there badly, who completely lets the PG do his thing. He fits with Lonzo like a glove. And Pels are going to spend those firsts somewhere outside of the draft eventually. I feel like they'd both love that deal. Bob Cov to Portland is also rumored and what a great get for Portland. He's basically a younger, better Ariza. Not sure what Houston is doing there. I know it’s not true but it kinda feels like Ariza gets acquired by Houston every year lol |
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Post by sfvega on Nov 17, 2020 1:01:55 GMT -5
Milwaukee got bent over. New Orleans comes out looking amazing given they already had a bunch of 1sts and swaps from LA. Milwaukee needed to add a scorer, and Jrue is a scorer. But he's more of a guy who works in the offense than someone who completely takes over when things are going poorly. He's a good, not amazing, deep shooter. That defense that he's known for is great, but defense wasn't the issue for Milwaukee. The issue is that Milwaukee's offense is very predictable and painfully average when Giannis gets keyed on. Jrue is undoubtedly an upgrade over Bledsoe on offense, and the defense helps. But this is a huge price tag for a step forward when they need two or three. They're also rumored to be getting Bogdan Bogdanovic in a S&T. Bogdan is actually a VERY good deep shooter, which is exactly what they need. But the combined price for these guys is going to be very steep for what they added. Hell, you could probably have taken all those assets and added Bradley Beal in one fell swoop. I ultimately think Bogdan is a pretty good add for them, and Jrue is a very good player but a little bit too much like Middleton. A guy who is great on D, but "only" very good on offense. Not the type of guy you iso and he takes over when things are going bad. Way more well rounded than someone like DeRozan, but I feel like DeRozan is more of what they need. I also feel like the Pels and Kings should just keep dealing, and that new cap space for NO could go to Buddy Hield. They need a shooter there badly, who completely lets the PG do his thing. He fits with Lonzo like a glove. And Pels are going to spend those firsts somewhere outside of the draft eventually. I feel like they'd both love that deal. Bob Cov to Portland is also rumored and what a great get for Portland. He's basically a younger, better Ariza. Not sure what Houston is doing there. I know it’s not true but it kinda feels like Ariza gets acquired by Houston every year lol Lol, right? He must really like it there because it is the most volatile situation in the entire NBA and everybody is trying to get out. I don't know if he has family somewhere in that region of the US (lots of guys hate playing in the Pacific Northwest, RIP Vancouver Grizzlies, bc it's such a long flight from most of the major population hubs in the US) or just really gelled with the organization. But he's fine walking into an org with nothing on the horizon like:  |
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Post by Perd on Nov 17, 2020 1:19:53 GMT -5
I love me some crazy ass NBA offseasons.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 17, 2020 1:24:53 GMT -5
So it looks like we are gonna see a Giannis, Bogdan, Holiday offense.
Feels like the Bucks know how not so good their matchup is with the Heat and want to shake that up
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Post by tenshi on Nov 17, 2020 1:26:11 GMT -5
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Post by sfvega on Nov 17, 2020 1:43:22 GMT -5
Bogdan is exactly the type of move they needed. Kinda like JJ Redick on the 76ers; a shooting specialist who will never occupy the paint space needed for the star. It's a good move.
And the price tag on Jrue is worth it if it ends up keeping Giannis. It's an all-or-nothing proposal for Milwaukee who wants to stay relevant, but could go really, really bad if it doesn't work. They're the poker player who pushes their whole stack of chips in on a pair of 6s. I get it, it's a bet you needed to make eventually. But I'm not more than 50/50 on it. And at a point, they're bidding against themselves. Who else would have traded 3 firsts and 2 pick swaps for Jrue? Nobody. But if it gets them the East and Giannis re-signs, then it's a success. But if it doesn't get him to stay, they are now led by a 31 year old Jrue, an older BLo who is nearing the end of his career, Middleton, and Bogdan² with 1sts mostly spoken for and DiVincenzo their best young player out the door for Sacto. They'd basically be the Kings minus draft picks.
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Post by Shark on Nov 17, 2020 1:52:06 GMT -5
Selling their souls to keep Giannis. If he signs the Supermax it’s worth it. I mean, they gotta do what they gotta do. If he walks it sucks, and this deal could easily look awful either way, but they are definitely banking on winning in the next few years, which looks very competitive at the moment. I think Giannis doesn't want to really leave. I think he just wanted to know that the Bucks were committed to making some actual moves and recognized that they had problems that needed to be addressed and with these moves, they have. Does it give Giannis that second superstar to help lighten his load? No, but it's steps and I think they still have a good shot in the east depending on what else happens. I don't have the confidence in the Nets other people do, what little I have will plummet further if they end up with Harden. It reminds me of Kobe saying he wanted off the Lakers in 08. He didn't really want to go. He just wanted them to make some actual moves. They did after that and Kobe was happy as a clam. |
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Nov 17, 2020 2:22:27 GMT -5
Good riddance to Bogdan. Horribly overrated and not anywhere close to a franchise building block. Almost addition by subtraction not being stuck under a big contract with him.
Could slot in as a very solid underling behind superior Bucks though.
I don’t know anything about Donte DiVincenzo, what’s the word on him? Any upside there?
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Post by sfvega on Nov 17, 2020 2:30:29 GMT -5
Good riddance to Bogdan. Horribly overrated and not anywhere close to a franchise building block. Could slot in as a very solid underling though. You'll miss Luca 0.7, don't lie. DiVincenzo is a good get tho. |
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