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Post by sfvega on Oct 21, 2020 23:45:47 GMT -5
I just knew they'd f*** it up. Way, way too much smoke for him to not be the hire. I get that they needed a guy who could coach them up on D as Gentry just basically never bothered. But like you said, I wish they'd picked someone whose geared towards running a wide open offense. Which is not to say JVG isn't a good offensive coach, but his strength isn't Lonzo/Zion/BI basketball. He did well with Turk, Lewis, JJ who were all more spot-up shooters. BI CAN do that, but he's best off the dribble. I think they're a little bit better with this hire, as I think he'll take them to the playoffs. But I don't think they reach their potential under SVG. They will have a new coach by the time it is time for Zion to sign a new deal in 3 years They were already coming into the season as a borderline playoff team so making it as 7th or 8th seed isn't going to be a shock nor should it. Paying Ingram is an easy decision. But they still have to find a partner for a Holiday trade (Nets are interested and i'd def take LeVert in that deal) and they have to figure out how much is Lonzo worth This team can easily trend upward or go backwards depending on moves they make They should lock up Zo before his price goes silly. He's proved what he is, a great facilitator and maybe a slightly above average defender whose shot is inconsistent and sometimes ugly. They need to get good value for Jrue. He's good at everything. LeVert is solid, but I'm not sure I'd add someone who has a penchant to shoot that much when the offense should be ran around BI/Zion. They need someone similar to Jrue, who can score efficiently and pass, but who is closer to their core age. If the offer is LeVert, I'd hold out for a better offer. I think he ups their floor more. If they were still under Gentry, they're still a fringe playoff team, where as I think SVG gets them there. It's not a shock, but it is an improvement. But I think they have 2000s Suns upside with their Nash/Marion/Amare on offense already there. They just f***in wish Zo's shot from the field or the line was anywhere near Nash's. Who knows if they get there tho. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 21, 2020 23:58:16 GMT -5
They will have a new coach by the time it is time for Zion to sign a new deal in 3 years They were already coming into the season as a borderline playoff team so making it as 7th or 8th seed isn't going to be a shock nor should it. Paying Ingram is an easy decision. But they still have to find a partner for a Holiday trade (Nets are interested and i'd def take LeVert in that deal) and they have to figure out how much is Lonzo worth This team can easily trend upward or go backwards depending on moves they make They should lock up Zo before his price goes silly. He's proved what he is, a great facilitator and maybe a slightly above average defender whose shot is inconsistent and sometimes ugly. They need to get good value for Jrue. He's good at everything. LeVert is solid, but I'm not sure I'd add someone who has a penchant to shoot that much when the offense should be ran around BI/Zion. They need someone similar to Jrue, who can score efficiently and pass, but who is closer to their core age. If the offer is LeVert, I'd hold out for a better offer. I think he ups their floor more. If they were still under Gentry, they're still a fringe playoff team, where as I think SVG gets them there. It's not a shock, but it is an improvement. But I think they have 2000s Suns upside with their Nash/Marion/Amare on offense already there. They just f***in wish Zo's shot from the field or the line was anywhere near Nash's. Who knows if they get there tho. Well, problem is the NBA has a new agreement coming up in 3 seasons, so Zion is def going to wait as the cap may increase and he could get a bigger raise. It is why people expect AD to sign a 3 year deal with an opt out after 2 so he can get paid big money In regards to Jrue, they have the luxury of waiting. I def wouldn't just take LeVert but he'd be a nice starting point. NO needs to shake all the trees they can. Minnesota isn't sure who they want with the number one pick and i'd reach out just to see if you can put together framework to trade Jrue and draft Anthony Edwards but that's a long shot SVG will get them to the playoffs. But expectations will probably be unfairly high. He's not going to baby Zion tho but he may have no choice if management makes those calls. I think if they can get Zo for 4/$44-50 mill they'd jump on it. He's a perfect compliment to Zion and that team in general but his profile compared to his actual play is going to clash. If he has a big season then he puts pressure on NO to pay him |
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Post by Rican on Oct 23, 2020 14:13:28 GMT -5
That's a quick turnaround for the season to start. I was thinking late January. But given the circumstances it makes sense and I'm sure they can pull it off.
I like the limited travel idea and trying to structure it like what baseball does. That makes sense.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 23, 2020 16:47:13 GMT -5
That's a quick turnaround for the season to start. I was thinking late January. But given the circumstances it makes sense and I'm sure they can pull it off. I like the limited travel idea and trying to structure it like what baseball does. That makes sense. I have been saying for a while Xmas is the perfect start date so I think it works and what they should go with |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 23, 2020 16:47:39 GMT -5
Amare Stoudemire will be an assistant coach for Steve Nash staff on the Nets
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 23, 2020 17:12:47 GMT -5
Shaq called out the "bandwagon" players who are out there celebrating a championship they did nothing to get
I get what he is saying and that def applies to people like JR and Dudley but everyone knows he was talking about Dwight Howard. Howard contributed to the Lakers chip and this puts a stamp on his HOF career so dude deserves to celebrate.
Shaq wrong for this in some aspects and need to let them live. Yes, I hate Jared "I averaged more claps then mins" Dudley out here talking like he was a big piece of the team but let them live in their high
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Post by BRV on Oct 23, 2020 22:03:55 GMT -5
Shaq called out the "bandwagon" players who are out there celebrating a championship they did nothing to get I get what he is saying and that def applies to people like JR and Dudley but everyone knows he was talking about Dwight Howard. Howard contributed to the Lakers chip and this puts a stamp on his HOF career so dude deserves to celebrate. Shaq wrong for this in some aspects and need to let them live. Yes, I hate Jared "I averaged more claps then mins" Dudley out here talking like he was a big piece of the team but let them live in their high Bill Simmons had Jared Dudley on his podcast last week to discuss The Finals, and while I didn't listen, I assume the first question he asked was, "So Jared, what was it like having a marginally better view of the games than the fans sitting at home?" |
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Oct 23, 2020 22:16:49 GMT -5
Shaq called out the "bandwagon" players who are out there celebrating a championship they did nothing to get I get what he is saying and that def applies to people like JR and Dudley but everyone knows he was talking about Dwight Howard. Howard contributed to the Lakers chip and this puts a stamp on his HOF career so dude deserves to celebrate. Shaq wrong for this in some aspects and need to let them live. Yes, I hate Jared "I averaged more claps then mins" Dudley out here talking like he was a big piece of the team but let them live in their high I doubt SHAQ would have call himself a bandwagoner celebrating an unearned ring if he had won a ring in the last few years of his career when he was in that 15-20 minutes a game rotation player part of his career. |
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Post by sfvega on Oct 23, 2020 22:33:57 GMT -5
Shaq called out the "bandwagon" players who are out there celebrating a championship they did nothing to get I get what he is saying and that def applies to people like JR and Dudley but everyone knows he was talking about Dwight Howard. Howard contributed to the Lakers chip and this puts a stamp on his HOF career so dude deserves to celebrate. Shaq wrong for this in some aspects and need to let them live. Yes, I hate Jared "I averaged more claps then mins" Dudley out here talking like he was a big piece of the team but let them live in their high I dunno, him and Dwight seemed to have gotten along in the past. Him and JaVale tho.... McGee is a mf bandwagoner. He makes KD look like MJ. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 25, 2020 16:33:47 GMT -5
Houston and OKC are the last two teams in the NBA without head coaches
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 27, 2020 3:26:42 GMT -5
Tye Lue looks to be getting together a good assistant coaching staff
Kenny Atkinson, Chauncey Billups and Dan Craig from the Miami Heat
Glad to see Chauncey finally given a chance and it is a shame Atkinson didn't get a job this offseason
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Post by sfvega on Oct 27, 2020 9:15:38 GMT -5
Tye Lue looks to be getting together a good assistant coaching staff Kenny Atkinson, Chauncey Billups and Dan Craig from the Miami Heat Glad to see Chauncey finally given a chance and it is a shame Atkinson didn't get a job this offseason Is Atkinson a done deal? He would fit OKC well IMO. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 27, 2020 9:23:13 GMT -5
Tye Lue looks to be getting together a good assistant coaching staff Kenny Atkinson, Chauncey Billups and Dan Craig from the Miami Heat Glad to see Chauncey finally given a chance and it is a shame Atkinson didn't get a job this offseason Is Atkinson a done deal? He would fit OKC well IMO. It is essentially official now, just waiting for LAC to make the announcement It is reported that OKC is essentially looking for a "low profile" coach |
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Post by sfvega on Oct 27, 2020 9:45:20 GMT -5
Is Atkinson a done deal? He would fit OKC well IMO. It is essentially official now, just waiting for LAC to make the announcement It is reported that OKC is essentially looking for a "low profile" coach That sucks. Atkinson was plenty qualified to get a job this year. But I get it, OKC is in the early stages of the rebuild and once Gallo leaves in FA and CP3 gets traded foor futures, they are looking at a long road back to being good. They have only a late 1st this year, and the option to swap picks with Houston and Miami next year who are both probably playoff teams (at least Miami is.) So their draft capital in the immediate future isn't great. Speaking of the draft, what a gyp that we have to wait 5 weeks after the Finals to get a draft when last year it was 1 week. NCAA had almost a full season and they've had 7 months to review a giant sample size. This draft is easy. It's 2021 that is going to be hard to scout. And still no date for start of FA or season. Most of this stuff except physicals can be done remotely. The league needs to get the f*** on it. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 27, 2020 10:01:15 GMT -5
It is essentially official now, just waiting for LAC to make the announcement It is reported that OKC is essentially looking for a "low profile" coach That sucks. Atkinson was plenty qualified to get a job this year. But I get it, OKC is in the early stages of the rebuild and once Gallo leaves in FA and CP3 gets traded foor futures, they are looking at a long road back to being good. They have only a late 1st this year, and the option to swap picks with Houston and Miami next year who are both probably playoff teams (at least Miami is.) So their draft capital in the immediate future isn't great. Speaking of the draft, what a gyp that we have to wait 5 weeks after the Finals to get a draft when last year it was 1 week. NCAA had almost a full season and they've had 7 months to review a giant sample size. This draft is easy. It's 2021 that is going to be hard to scout. And still no date for start of FA or season. Most of this stuff except physicals can be done remotely. The league needs to get the f*** on it. All things considered, it isn't a bad backup option for Atkinson. Be on a staff where they are expected to win and he will be back in head coaching job searches by next season. In regards to OKC, they are basically buckling down for a rough 3-5 year stretch. In order for me to coach that time, i'd have to be assured i'd be given a fair shot at coaching this team when they do start winning. Brett Brown didn't do shit with Philly but he got a fair shot after years of losing Yeah, that is dumb. NBA is overcompensating for no draft combine and all that. Well, this is what you pay scouts for. The draft should been 2 weeks after the NBA finals. This is a short offseason and they need to maximize the time they have. Free agency should go by lightning fast |
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Post by sfvega on Oct 27, 2020 10:36:14 GMT -5
That sucks. Atkinson was plenty qualified to get a job this year. But I get it, OKC is in the early stages of the rebuild and once Gallo leaves in FA and CP3 gets traded foor futures, they are looking at a long road back to being good. They have only a late 1st this year, and the option to swap picks with Houston and Miami next year who are both probably playoff teams (at least Miami is.) So their draft capital in the immediate future isn't great. Speaking of the draft, what a gyp that we have to wait 5 weeks after the Finals to get a draft when last year it was 1 week. NCAA had almost a full season and they've had 7 months to review a giant sample size. This draft is easy. It's 2021 that is going to be hard to scout. And still no date for start of FA or season. Most of this stuff except physicals can be done remotely. The league needs to get the f*** on it. All things considered, it isn't a bad backup option for Atkinson. Be on a staff where they are expected to win and he will be back in head coaching job searches by next season. In regards to OKC, they are basically buckling down for a rough 3-5 year stretch. In order for me to coach that time, i'd have to be assured i'd be given a fair shot at coaching this team when they do start winning. Brett Brown didn't do shit with Philly but he got a fair shot after years of losing Yeah, that is dumb. NBA is overcompensating for no draft combine and all that. Well, this is what you pay scouts for. The draft should been 2 weeks after the NBA finals. This is a short offseason and they need to maximize the time they have. Free agency should go by lightning fast Yeah, OKC is unlikely to have the same coach in the prime of their new core will be different than whoever is there next season. So while not a great spot, Atkinson is plenty good enough to coach a team next year. Maybe a case of wanting the right job, but if teams are passing on him consistently, they are wrong. There is no good reason why the draft should not have taken place in October. NHL draft took place 9 days after their Finals. Not sure why the year where you have 4 more months to research these guys is the year where we need ANOTHER month to scout them by pushing the draft back further. Start the dominoes on next season. Just seems like they're stalling because they don't know what to do. NHL also is completely unsure when or how next season is going to start but they at least have already had their draft and much of FA done by now. NBA could be there as well by mid-November instead of not even having the draft by then and therefore pushing FA to probably early-December at best. Which flushes any chance of a Christmas game this year, which is usually ratings gold. Lots of foot-shooting going on. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 27, 2020 18:01:14 GMT -5
Apparently Rockets are focused in on Jeff Van Gundy, John Lucas and Stephen Silas
So basically, two old coaches and Stephen Silas who has been an assistant forever but never got a coaching job
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Post by Shark on Oct 27, 2020 18:37:07 GMT -5
Shaq called out the "bandwagon" players who are out there celebrating a championship they did nothing to get I get what he is saying and that def applies to people like JR and Dudley but everyone knows he was talking about Dwight Howard. Howard contributed to the Lakers chip and this puts a stamp on his HOF career so dude deserves to celebrate. Shaq wrong for this in some aspects and need to let them live. Yes, I hate Jared "I averaged more claps then mins" Dudley out here talking like he was a big piece of the team but let them live in their high Yeah he's way wrong here. Especially because he played on a team with Mark Madsen, who would get special time at the championship celebrations to do his goofy dance. That is the definition of a "bandwagon" player. And I say that with zero malice intended towards Mark. He's a real good guy and his goofball attitude was a delight to watch. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 27, 2020 19:53:00 GMT -5
Shaq called out the "bandwagon" players who are out there celebrating a championship they did nothing to get I get what he is saying and that def applies to people like JR and Dudley but everyone knows he was talking about Dwight Howard. Howard contributed to the Lakers chip and this puts a stamp on his HOF career so dude deserves to celebrate. Shaq wrong for this in some aspects and need to let them live. Yes, I hate Jared "I averaged more claps then mins" Dudley out here talking like he was a big piece of the team but let them live in their high Yeah he's way wrong here. Especially because he played on a team with Mark Madsen, who would get special time at the championship celebrations to do his goofy dance. That is the definition of a "bandwagon" player. And I say that with zero malice intended towards Mark. He's a real good guy and his goofball attitude was a delight to watch. It is just Shaq being salty for no reason other then Dwight Howard got a ring As someone pointed out earlier, he was that same bench warmer his last two years chasing rings and would been cutting up and acting a fool if he got a 5th ring Shaq habit is to talk down to people and act like it is a joke then try to bring up his rings to prove he is right. |
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Post by sfvega on Oct 27, 2020 21:09:42 GMT -5
Shaq called out the "bandwagon" players who are out there celebrating a championship they did nothing to get I get what he is saying and that def applies to people like JR and Dudley but everyone knows he was talking about Dwight Howard. Howard contributed to the Lakers chip and this puts a stamp on his HOF career so dude deserves to celebrate. Shaq wrong for this in some aspects and need to let them live. Yes, I hate Jared "I averaged more claps then mins" Dudley out here talking like he was a big piece of the team but let them live in their high Yeah he's way wrong here. Especially because he played on a team with Mark Madsen, who would get special time at the championship celebrations to do his goofy dance. That is the definition of a "bandwagon" player. And I say that with zero malice intended towards Mark. He's a real good guy and his goofball attitude was a delight to watch. I'm 50/50 on what Shaq said. Do I think Rondo, Dwight, JaVale, and Cousins sign with the Lakers as they were constructed 3 years ago? No. Vets who want a ring follow LeBron, especially after they added AD. JaVale is especially suspect, choosing twice to sign with the Warriors after they had already established themselves as a super team, and then hitching to LeBron who had created super teams wherever he went the last 10 years. That, to me, is a guy who shouldn't be pointing to his 3 rings. But at the same time, someone like Rondo was an important piece to them winning. LeBron teams back to Miami at the end have had trouble running an offense when he was off the floor. In that sense, Rondo is a very integral piece to the puzzle. He can be a floor general to a 2nd unit in his sleep. And Shaq is kinda weird for trying to put caveats on people's rings when he was a defensive liability against Dallas in 06, but he'll never discount that ring and he probably shouldn't. He still contributed, and so did these guys. Madsen was also drafted by the Lakers. They chose him, not the other way around, and as soon as he hit FA, he signed elsewhere. The Wolves were not chopped liver at that point, they went to the WCF that year. But their secondary players were aging and they hadn't accomplished, and ultimately never accomplished, what the Lakers had to that point. Then again, with Malone and Payton coming in, going back for the min maybe wasn't an option. |
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