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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on May 4, 2021 21:30:29 GMT -5
The Kings are going on a meaningless late season run, costing them draft spots, and maybe saving Walton’s job,
This team is the worst. 😂
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Post by sfvega on May 5, 2021 4:00:38 GMT -5
Russ would have left in FA from Pop, guaranteed. Pop is all substance, Russ is all style. Even Kawhi, whose game was an absolute fit for Pop, ended up wanting out because he wanted the wrong things. Pop can turn guys into All Time players when they buy in. Parker is somewhere on that PG list, probably top 25, because he bought in and also was clutch as all hell. But Parker under someone like Casey or Donovan, just another guy. Russ would have bought in for a short time, then wanted out of the structure. Put it this way: Russ is LaVar Arrington and Pop is Buddy Ryan. A guy who improvises, does his own thing, calls his own number, etc and a guy who preaches make the right play 101 times out of 100 are always going to be oil and water. Westbrook is a guy who's belief in himself was always bigger then what he could do(A mentality most people need to have to make it in pro sports) But he was never a "hero ball" guy and was always liked by teammates and coaches. Manu and Parker are kind of guys who would improvise and create turnovers too often early in their careers, on paper Manu and Pop particular doesn't seem like they should exist but Manu's main goal was winning and I believe Westbrook a bit like say AI and early Manu behind their gameplay was the belief the ball in my hands helps a team winning. Westbrook would have absolutely fit in with an old school hardass . I agree with some of that. Pop would have loved Westbrook competitiveness and the fact that he went hard all the time early in his career and always on the offensive end. He has a real fire and tenacity that guys like Pop or Sloan would have loved. The problem comes in where he actually did/does play "hero ball" a lot where despite his assist numbers, which are great, he will end a game taking more shots than a Durant, Harden, or Beal and be the guy who only sees the hoop when he has the ball late. He flat out should not be taking a contested 3 late in a close game when he's on the floor with a guy like Durant or Beal who is just plain better on offense than him, but we've seen it too many times. I remember watching Russ and Bledsoe go back and forth when Bled was having one hell of a season on the Suns and Russ was still in his prime. They went bucket for bucket, but it was like Russ didn't even acknowledge that there was other guys on the court. Where as guys like LeBron or Curry would never have a problem passing to a role player like Iguodala or Mike Miller late. Parker improvised within reason. He wasn't a guy who played iso for quarters at a time like Russ. Tony was always playing within the system and didn't need to call his own number 25-30 times a game to impact it significantly. Russ was never and will never be as efficient a scorer as Parker, but it's really not a point of efficiency. Russ I'm not sure would have wanted to put the emphasis on defense (which he's been apathetic on for years) and the discipline that Pop would expect constantly. Parker was never a beast defensively, but he always put in the effort. Russ does the LeBron thing where he takes off defensive possessions so that he has more energy for offense. I think ultimately, Russ and Pop would look at winning exactly the same, but their view on the little stuff would vary wildly. Russ has never cared if he had to shoot 25 times for 25 points. Shooters shoot and he's never been discouraged by missing, which is a good mentality. But Pop would absolutely care when you're taking 25 shots and missing the vast majority of them. Though, DeRozan came in as a guy most would think wouldn't gel with Pop and he's changed his game around. It's possible, but I think when it comes down to it, Westbrook would have left Pop for more freedom and open offense.
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Post by sfvega on May 5, 2021 4:08:18 GMT -5
I'd take Stock, Kidd, and CP3 just when you realize there is a defensive side of the ball. Maybe Glove too, with his equally short true prime, but he was a menace defensively. Russ has always seemed disinterested on defense, ala Melo. Could easily be much better, but just wasn't interested in it. Which is like 2015-16 and on. Early in his career, he was good defensively. Once he became a star, he coasted on defense a lot like LeBron post-1st title. I'd say 5 is Stockton just cuz CP3 is a lil dickpuncher. 6 is CP3 or Nash. Then Kidd. Then Cousy. Then Glove/Russ. They're very comparable players. Curry I still don't consider a true PG. You could put him top 5 if we're counting him. I can agree with that If we talking true PG's I never really considered Russ that either, he's a 2 playing the 1 but for arguments sake i'm keeping guys like him, AI and Steph in this discussion Westbrook falls somewhere in my back 10. CP3 I still think is a little bitch but that man can ball and falls just outside the top 5. Magic, Curry, Isiah, Big O, Stockton, Nash, Kidd, CP3, Cousy, Walt Frazier and then you start looking at someone like Russ who is competing with Glove for that spot That's not even considering other guys i'd take before Westbrook as my primary PG like Chauncey Billups and Tony Parker. What sets Westbrook apart from all of them is his insane athleticism but his decision making and deficiency is the worst of all of them "Oh there they go. There they go, every time I start talkin 'bout boxing point guards, a white man Knicks fan got to pull Rocky Marciano Walt Frazier out their ass. That's their one, that's their one. Rocky Marciano Walt Frazier. Let me tell you something once and for all. Rocky Marciano Walt Frazier was good, but compared to Joe Louis Steve Nash, Rocky Marciano Walt Frazier ain't shit."
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Post by Spider2024 on May 5, 2021 16:38:39 GMT -5
...His mama calls him Clyde, I'm calling him Clyde.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 5, 2021 20:02:20 GMT -5
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Post by sfvega on May 5, 2021 20:10:48 GMT -5
I know the media has its own antics that I'm not a fan of and Kyrie hasn't been happy with the way he's been portrayed. But I'm also sure that someone with more self-awareness than Kyrie (which is to say anyone) would have been able to control his own narrative. Even a guy like Draymond, who is not exactly universally loved to say the least, is able to articulate his own points and form a proper representation of himself. Kyrie has no self-awareness when speaking to the media and then he retreats into his shell and then lets it leak that he's misunderstood. Like, you could easily use social media to tell everyone where your head is at. But he seems to think that people should be coming to him or catering to him a certain way, and that's just not how it is. He needs to find a workaround, but doesn't seem to care enough to try but cares enough to complain about the process.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 5, 2021 20:20:55 GMT -5
I know the media has its own antics that I'm not a fan of and Kyrie hasn't been happy with the way he's been portrayed. But I'm also sure that someone with more self-awareness than Kyrie (which is to say anyone) would have been able to control his own narrative. Even a guy like Draymond, who is not exactly universally loved to say the least, is able to articulate his own points and form a proper representation of himself. Kyrie has no self-awareness when speaking to the media and then he retreats into his shell and then lets it leak that he's misunderstood. Like, you could easily use social media to tell everyone where your head is at. But he seems to think that people should be coming to him or catering to him a certain way, and that's just not how it is. He needs to find a workaround, but doesn't seem to care enough to try but cares enough to complain about the process. He only has himself to blame While yes, some people like Jackie McMullen said some stupid shit about him when he left Boston, you have created this narrative about yourself. Like if it is a mental health thing, people will be very understanding. But he makes it seem like people should be happy he graces them with his presence and then he should be allowed to do whatever he wants Shame on the Nets for covering for him too. He has taken multiple days off this year and Nets just say Kyrie needed time off. Why? You can't complain that you are treated unfairly and then talk out your mouth sideways
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Post by sfvega on May 5, 2021 20:29:24 GMT -5
I know the media has its own antics that I'm not a fan of and Kyrie hasn't been happy with the way he's been portrayed. But I'm also sure that someone with more self-awareness than Kyrie (which is to say anyone) would have been able to control his own narrative. Even a guy like Draymond, who is not exactly universally loved to say the least, is able to articulate his own points and form a proper representation of himself. Kyrie has no self-awareness when speaking to the media and then he retreats into his shell and then lets it leak that he's misunderstood. Like, you could easily use social media to tell everyone where your head is at. But he seems to think that people should be coming to him or catering to him a certain way, and that's just not how it is. He needs to find a workaround, but doesn't seem to care enough to try but cares enough to complain about the process. He only has himself to blame While yes, some people like Jackie McMullen said some stupid shit about him when he left Boston, you have created this narrative about yourself. Like if it is a mental health thing, people will be very understanding. But he makes it seem like people should be happy he graces them with his presence and then he should be allowed to do whatever he wants Shame on the Nets for covering for him too. He has taken multiple days off this year and Nets just say Kyrie needed time off. Why? You can't complain that you are treated unfairly and then talk out your mouth sideways Yeah, if he just didn't want to talk to the media then fine. There's a number of athletes across many sports who just want to play their sport and make their money and don't want to do the whole media thing and don't want people to know everything about them. Which is fine. Randy Johnson was notorious for not wanting to talk to the media. He just got a rep for being ornery, not that he gave a shit. Just let his play do the talking. Kyrie wants it both way tho. To not talk to the media, to not use social media to cultivate his own persona, but to want to be understood. The Nets are just gonna do whatever it takes to keep a superteam together.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on May 5, 2021 21:41:09 GMT -5
Kings; Still winning. Smh fml
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 5, 2021 21:46:57 GMT -5
Kings; Still winning. Smh fml This is how I felt with the Jets The players don't give a damn about tanking tho cause they jobs on the line for this team or another
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Post by horsemen4ever on May 5, 2021 21:48:45 GMT -5
Tough game for the Knicks, but sometimes you have those night and certain teams you just don't match up well against. How they will respond we will see.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on May 5, 2021 21:56:09 GMT -5
Kings; Still winning. Smh fml This is how I felt with the Jets The players don't give a damn about tanking tho cause they jobs on the line for this team or another Nor does Luke. He’s playing his guys 40 minutes a night to get these W’s. Kings fans are happy for some reason, meanwhile I’m like “We’re going to still miss the playoffs, pick 10th, and you know this hot streak is saving Luke’s job.” Just a perfect storm for the Kings to remain exactly at the status quo of bad enough to miss the playoffs, but not quite bad enough to contend for a top draft pick. Life of a Kings fan. Smh
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 5, 2021 22:00:22 GMT -5
This is how I felt with the Jets The players don't give a damn about tanking tho cause they jobs on the line for this team or another Nor does Luke. He’s playing his guys 40 minutes a night to get these W’s. Kings fans are happy for some reason, meanwhile I’m like “We’re going to still miss the playoffs, pick 10th, and you know this hot streak is saving Luke’s job.” Just a perfect storm for the Kings to remain exactly at the status quo of bad enough to miss the playoffs, but not quite bad enough to contend for a top draft pick. Life of a Kings fan. Smh Well, good thing is the draft is deep this year and next year As long as they remain in the top 10 they should be fine and get a very good player but right now Kings is basically in a massive rehaul as you only can count on Fox and Haliburton as future players
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Post by Cyno on May 5, 2021 22:18:40 GMT -5
This is the first genuinely bad game the Knicks have had in awhile, so I'll give them a pass. Nuggets are also playing out of their minds lately.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on May 5, 2021 22:24:39 GMT -5
Nor does Luke. He’s playing his guys 40 minutes a night to get these W’s. Kings fans are happy for some reason, meanwhile I’m like “We’re going to still miss the playoffs, pick 10th, and you know this hot streak is saving Luke’s job.” Just a perfect storm for the Kings to remain exactly at the status quo of bad enough to miss the playoffs, but not quite bad enough to contend for a top draft pick. Life of a Kings fan. Smh Well, good thing is the draft is deep this year and next year As long as they remain in the top 10 they should be fine and get a very good player but right now Kings is basically in a massive rehaul as you only can count on Fox and Haliburton as future players Marvin Glassley put up 30 tonight. Late bloomer. ...,,, Not really. I have no faith in him whatsoever.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 5, 2021 22:25:59 GMT -5
This is the first genuinely bad game the Knicks have had in awhile, so I'll give them a pass. Nuggets are also playing out of their minds lately. And MVP Jokic whopped their ass Burks, Randle, RJ all played horribly as well. Need a game like that so they don't get too comfortable
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 5, 2021 22:26:38 GMT -5
Well, good thing is the draft is deep this year and next year As long as they remain in the top 10 they should be fine and get a very good player but right now Kings is basically in a massive rehaul as you only can count on Fox and Haliburton as future players Marvin Glassley put up 30 tonight. Late bloomer. ...,,, Not really. I have no faith in him whatsoever. Marv has been playing good since he came back from injury but him and Kings need to separate
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on May 5, 2021 22:30:27 GMT -5
Marvin Glassley put up 30 tonight. Late bloomer. ...,,, Not really. I have no faith in him whatsoever. Marv has been playing good since he came back from injury but him and Kings need to separate Agreed. Best for all parties. Hopefully this run boosts his value past the “nothing” it was at the deadline. As much as he annoys me I’m not in the market to give him away, and if no one is offering anything worth taking you stubbornly hang onto the sunk cost.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 22:46:51 GMT -5
Kings; Still winning. Smh fml But you're making me happy cause you're beating the Pacers.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 5, 2021 22:47:20 GMT -5
Marv has been playing good since he came back from injury but him and Kings need to separate Agreed. Best for all parties. Hopefully this run boosts his value past the “nothing” it was at the deadline. As much as he annoys me I’m not in the market to give him away, and if no one is offering anything worth taking you stubbornly hang onto the sunk cost. They need to just trade him for another underachiever that fits a need Mo Bamba is is in that realm
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