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Post by sungod2020 on Nov 5, 2020 17:41:57 GMT -5
Here's another one. The Big Bossman/Nailz feud. Nailz debuted as an ex-convict out for revenge for the beating Bossman gave him. What wasn't mentioned was Bossman debuted he was an evil cop who would beat his opponents(mainly jobbers) after his matches. His past was never even brought up and we're expected to get behind him simply because he's a babyface now.
In fact, his face turn didn't make sense. He turned face on Ted Dibiase for PAYING HIM to retrieve his million dollar belt from Jake Roberts who stole it because he dosen't take bribes, even though he was a henchmen for Dibiase a year and a half earlier and was later a hired thug in Vince McMahon's corporation. In fact, Big Bossman's whole WWF career(both runs) was one big mindf***, but more on that another time.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 6, 2020 2:10:55 GMT -5
Baby faces always standing by baby faces or heels and heels, regardless of past alignments or previous transgressions. I'm really glad companies are learning not to do this. It's very refreshing to see for example heels hating one another in AEW and not all being friends. Like Sammy Guevara and MJF hating each other and both are two of the most despicable tools in wrestling right now.
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Post by sungod2020 on Nov 25, 2020 12:39:57 GMT -5
During Randy Savage's World title feud with Hulk Hogan, didn't he act surprised every time he got a count out win he didn't win the championship, yet 3 years earlier, he purposely got himself counted out to keep the IC title? I could've sworn I read that somewhere.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Nov 25, 2020 13:48:08 GMT -5
Here's another one. The Big Bossman/Nailz feud. Nailz debuted as an ex-convict out for revenge for the beating Bossman gave him. What wasn't mentioned was Bossman debuted he was an evil cop who would beat his opponents(mainly jobbers) after his matches. His past was never even brought up and we're expected to get behind him simply because he's a babyface now. In fact, his face turn didn't make sense. He turned face on Ted Dibiase for PAYING HIM to retrieve his million dollar belt from Jake Roberts who stole it because he dosen't take bribes, even though he was a henchmen for Dibiase a year and a half earlier and was later a hired thug in Vince McMahon's corporation. In fact, Big Bossman's whole WWF career(both runs) was one big mindf***, but more on that another time. The Nailz program thing has always bothered me.
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Post by James Fabiano on Nov 25, 2020 14:14:15 GMT -5
Here's another one. The Big Bossman/Nailz feud. Nailz debuted as an ex-convict out for revenge for the beating Bossman gave him. What wasn't mentioned was Bossman debuted he was an evil cop who would beat his opponents(mainly jobbers) after his matches. His past was never even brought up and we're expected to get behind him simply because he's a babyface now. In fact, his face turn didn't make sense. He turned face on Ted Dibiase for PAYING HIM to retrieve his million dollar belt from Jake Roberts who stole it because he dosen't take bribes, even though he was a henchmen for Dibiase a year and a half earlier and was later a hired thug in Vince McMahon's corporation. In fact, Big Bossman's whole WWF career(both runs) was one big mindf***, but more on that another time. If they weren't afraid to do shades of grey, they could have stated this and Bossman could have said that was the old him and while two wrongs don't make a right, his past did indeed came back to haunt him and he admits that. But now, he's ready to stop Nailz but this time truly by the book, as it were. Thing is, WWF didn't always ignore an ex-heel's past. It took months for Hogan and Piper to trust each other, for instance.
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Post by dynamitekidd on Nov 25, 2020 14:20:39 GMT -5
That's just Rock Paper Scissors right there. Who wins in any given matchup is more nuanced than simple power levels. Styles make fights. "A beat B and B beat C therefore A beats C" has absolutely no basis in boxing or in any other real combat sport--or any team sport. George Foreman demolished Joe Frazier, at the time the only man to beat Muhammed Ali, so people expected George to kill Ali in Zaire as a result. Didn't happen. Frazier's bob-and-weave style was a perfect stylistic match-up for Foreman's powerful uppercuts--he was exactly the type of boxer that Foreman feasted on. "Talkin about how big George Foreman is, how terrible he is, I'm scared for my life, how relentless he is. That sucka ain't nothin!" "This chump has got everybody scared. Scared of what? Nothing to be scared of. Scared of what?" "I'm gonna whoop George Foreman and I'm gonna whoop him of all places in Africa. In the Congo, where the Lumumba boys are. I fought many men bigger than I am. Stronger than I am. Men I couldn't knock out. But I'll tell you this, boxing ability, speed, beating him on points, going the distance if necessary, then I'll whoop him!" Ali knew how to cut a promo.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Nov 25, 2020 14:36:58 GMT -5
Papa Shango curses the Ultimate Warrior There were a few feuds that didn't make Summerslam. Berzerker and Underatker for one, then Martel and Tatanka and yet they are facing each other the next PPV. Repo Man and Bulldog, Bret and Shawn from the house shows, Flair and Savage were all feuds at the time. It was cool seeing the Beverly Brothers get a title shot but they were a team who really were destined to always go against the Bushwhackers and in early 1993 they were doing six man tags with Little Louie and Tiger Jackson. Also Money Inc and Natural Disasters were really the ones feuding. From what I read, WWF would have done the feuds at the time on PPV if it was a PPV based in U.S. (Washington DC). Summerslam 1992 was amazing and deserves to be held in the same regard as Wrestlemania III but I get why most matches are forgettable. I'm not sure why they didn't do the main feuds or at least most of them with Bulldog and Bret ending the show. I don't believe they even went back to the feuds on house shows but could be wrong. ) i Also Sgt. Slaughter and the Mountie had a feud around this time, which never got a blowoff.
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Post by lildude8218 on Nov 25, 2020 17:28:37 GMT -5
During Randy Savage's World title feud with Hulk Hogan, didn't he act surprised every time he got a count out win he didn't win the championship, yet 3 years earlier, he purposely got himself counted out to keep the IC title? I could've sworn I read that somewhere. Yep, annoyed the hell out of me as a kid. Their rematch from Wrestlemania 5 was my first house show and not only did he think he won the title back but he put it on upside down after the match.
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Post by Triangle Lancer on Nov 26, 2020 13:36:19 GMT -5
This after booking a TITLE FOR TITLE match! Why make the match if you don't think someone should have more than one belt? Yeah I think we need a Tunney thread. The guy was criminally incompetent. And they did that in 1980 too. Bob Backlund and Pedro Morales won the tag titles, and then had to immediately vacate them because Backlund was not allowed to hold both the world title and tag title at the same time. So why did he get a title match to begin with?! To piss off Pedro Morales. No, it was: A) to show how dangerous the Samoans were that the WWF had to put together a "super team" to finally vanquish them, and, B) Captain Lou Albano had a big mouth and said he'd put the Wild Samoans' tag belts up against them. (So I guess to piss off Pedro WAS the reason.)
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Post by Triangle Lancer on Nov 27, 2020 12:08:04 GMT -5
Just thought of something. During Randy Savage's World title feud with Hulk Hogan, didn't he act surprised every time he got a count out win he didn't win the championship, yet 3 years earlier, he purposely got himself counted out to keep the IC title? I could've sworn I read that somewhere. Yep, annoyed the hell out of me as a kid. Their rematch from Wrestlemania 5 was my first house show and not only did he think he won the title back but he put it on upside down after the match. That was a common trope in the early 80s: guys beating the champion by countout and thinking they won the belt (even if they knew they didn't). Mainly was a thing because in some territories, you COULD win a title by countout-San Francisco for example.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 27, 2020 12:23:18 GMT -5
Baby faces always standing by baby faces or heels and heels, regardless of past alignments or previous transgressions. I think one of the things that sold me on ROH is that my first or second ROH show featured the awesome angle where Alex Shelley - who turned face by virtue of Generation Next ousting him after he had been their leader - kept desperately looking for a face partner to take on GenNext with him, only to get a "lolno" reaction from everybody because why would anyone who hates GenNext not hate the guy who was just running them? ...it occurs to me that they ran this angle just months after the disastrous Randy Orton face turn in 2004.
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Post by sungod2020 on Nov 27, 2020 17:52:03 GMT -5
Just thought of something. Yep, annoyed the hell out of me as a kid. Their rematch from Wrestlemania 5 was my first house show and not only did he think he won the title back but he put it on upside down after the match. That was a common trope in the early 80s: guys beating the champion by countout and thinking they won the belt (even if they knew they didn't). Mainly was a thing because in some territories, you COULD win a title by countout-San Francisco for example. If they acknowledged other promotions back then(or the fact that other promotions exist) that would be a great excuse for a heel to say he's been cheated since they let him do that where he use to work. Instead, they play it off as them being stupid and not knowing the rules which I think is rather silly.
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Post by bob on Nov 27, 2020 18:49:28 GMT -5
Kevin Nash texts.... himself to stick the winner of Cena vs Punk
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Post by sungod2020 on Apr 7, 2021 20:39:41 GMT -5
How's this for a plothole, in September 1999, Chaz was alienated by the whole locker room and screwed out of matches for allegedly beating his girlfriend Marianna, in that same month, not year, month, Jeff Jarrett makes sexist remarks about women and beats them(including Fabulous Moolah and Mae Young) and nobody does anything about it.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 8, 2021 9:21:40 GMT -5
How's this for a plothole, in September 1999, Chaz was alienated by the whole locker room and screwed out of matches for allegedly beating his girlfriend Marianna, in that same month, not year, month, Jeff Jarrett makes sexist remarks about women and beats them(including Fabulous Moolah and Mae Young) and nobody does anything about it. I would say it is completely accurate for Chaz, a no-name curtain jerker, to get called out for being a womanbeater by the entire locker room, while Jeff Jarrett of THE Jarretts faces no opposition from any of his co-workers due to fear of ramifications in the wider industry, even outside the WWF. Jeff is more connected, so he's safe. Perfectly true to life storyline, I'd say...
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 8, 2021 9:27:32 GMT -5
There was more space in between in television time, but...
Beulah announces she's pregnant by Tommy Dreamer. Never mind that at the show a week earlier, Dreamer piledrove her yet again.
Of course, later on we learn she lied about that to get away from Raven. So I wonder...was the piledriver being so close an intentional hidden clue as to what was to come? I doubt it, but...
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Post by sungod2020 on Apr 8, 2021 12:03:32 GMT -5
How's this for a plothole, in September 1999, Chaz was alienated by the whole locker room and screwed out of matches for allegedly beating his girlfriend Marianna, in that same month, not year, month, Jeff Jarrett makes sexist remarks about women and beats them(including Fabulous Moolah and Mae Young) and nobody does anything about it. I would say it is completely accurate for Chaz, a no-name curtain jerker, to get called out for being a womanbeater by the entire locker room, while Jeff Jarrett of THE Jarretts faces no opposition from any of his co-workers due to fear of ramifications in the wider industry, even outside the WWF. Jeff is more connected, so he's safe. Perfectly true to life storyline, I'd say... Was his family connections ever acknowledged while working for WWF? Without knowing the outside wrestling World, I think that's a huge hypocrisy on the locker room, regardless of his position on the card. Does make sense for people on the higher end of the totem pole to get away with things those lower on it wouldn't though, just like in real life.
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Post by Triangle Lancer on Apr 8, 2021 12:17:19 GMT -5
Didn't bother me until I heard the infamous "WrestleMania" song on today's "Greetings From Allentown", but Big Bossman's bit about how "ever since I was a little Bossman, I always wanted to defend law and order, help people stay on the straight and narrow."
So, why were you an asshole heel using your power of authority for evil?
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Apr 8, 2021 12:53:13 GMT -5
I was just thinking about this yesterday...
In "M*A*S*H", who is the guy who makes the PA announcements? The PA is in Radar/Klinger's office, and there are times when it's Radar or Klinger that make announcements, but the 'incoming wounded' is for the most part someone else we never see.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 13:45:03 GMT -5
Miz and Truth attack people. Entire roster is scared. HHH gets no confidence vote. Johnny L is a tyrannical heel boss within like 10 min of taking over. *crickets* This is the most unbelievable thing in wrestling history. It wasnt just the heels egging the situation on. Matt Sydal did not feel safe!
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