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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 18, 2020 10:34:05 GMT -5
Goldberg had and still has crazy charisma. And when he first showed up, they tried to present him not just as a power guy, but also a guy who did submission moves, a proto MMA type. However, the trouble will Goldberg is that he didn't get better in the ring, and because he got so hot so fast, he listening to the wrong people, and took criticism wrong. The thing where Goldberg hurt his hand because he insisted on doing the stunt without a pipe (instead opting for a smaller metal object which flew out of his hand) took 5 months from him.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 18, 2020 10:34:48 GMT -5
It was before my time bu I completely believe Goldeberg was the worst wrestler to be popular, no charisma or in-ring skills,just a bundle of muscles that was presented very well Goldberg had tons of charisma. Anyone as popular as he became has it. I will just disagree.Not much else I can do I just think he had the right look for the right time ,was booked well and of course stiffed the shit out of people,literally hurt people to make himself look good
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 10:37:20 GMT -5
Goldberg reminded me of SD's Luther Reigns. That guy needed to be champ also!!!
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Post by thegame415 on Oct 18, 2020 10:47:55 GMT -5
But Bret, most people (especially in 1998) could care less about work rate. Bret takes himself and wrestling so seriously. It's real to him.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 18, 2020 10:50:38 GMT -5
A bit harsh, but if he ended my career I'd be saying the same.
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Post by cjh on Oct 18, 2020 10:52:48 GMT -5
Goldberg had tons of charisma. Anyone as popular as he became has it. I will just disagree.Not much else I can do I just think he had the right look for the right time ,was booked well and of course stiffed the shit out of people,literally hurt people to make himself look good Charisma is the difference between Goldberg and the numerous wrestlers who did the exact same gimmick but got a fraction of the response for it.
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Post by eJm on Oct 18, 2020 10:57:15 GMT -5
I think Goldberg was a mixed bag overall as a performer. He had some of the best in-ring charisma of that era, because he was this crazy brute that just mauled people. There was a “Mike Tyson in the 80s” factor to watching him, so I definitely get why he was so popular. Fans are going to have a visceral reaction to that. At his peak WCW was booking around his limitations as a worker, as he was certainly sloppy and unpolished with how he threw dudes around. It was especially around the time there was really nobody like that in either company. Especially in WCW, he was a tank in a company full of convertibles and muscle cars.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 10:57:44 GMT -5
Goldberg not having charisma is a new one. He's one of the most charismatic wrestlers of all time. The second his music hit people went crazy. He had a presence that probably less than a dozen people in the history of wrestling have ever had. I can understand saying his promo skills were poor but that's different from charisma (see Jeff Hardy, Rey Mysterio), but even then he showed during his comeback that he was capable of cutting some really good promos.
Is Bret bi-polar? One month he can do an interview saying Goldberg's a good guy and there's no hard feelings then the next he goes back to completely trashing him. Same with Shawn. Sometimes he's cool with him and they've mended fences then next time he's back to cussing him out like it's 1997 again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 10:59:13 GMT -5
But Bret, most people (especially in 1998) could care less about work rate. Bret takes himself and wrestling so seriously. It's real to him.
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Post by Jake, The Jake, Jake on Oct 18, 2020 11:10:55 GMT -5
I mean didn’t Bret recently rate Hogan’s workrate as like a 4 or 5? Using that as a reference point Goldberg is absolutely a zero.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Oct 18, 2020 11:28:06 GMT -5
Goldberg was what’d you’d get if you turned the Ultimate Warrior down to 70% and put it on Steve Austin’s character model.
He got over huge because, and I cannot believe I’m saying this, WCW presented him perfectly. The music. The sparks. The matches specifically designed to hide his many, many, many shortcomings.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Oct 18, 2020 11:34:58 GMT -5
At least Goldberg can do what baboon's can ( if that's a baboon!) That wrestling clip has the most vile, reckless man in the ring. And Goldberg is there too.
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Post by Christian on Oct 18, 2020 11:42:34 GMT -5
At least Goldberg can do what baboon's can ( if that's a baboon!) That wrestling clip has the most vile, reckless man in the ring. And Goldberg is there too.
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Post by Terry McConkey on Oct 18, 2020 11:49:38 GMT -5
I was fascinated one day watching videos of gorillas moving. Totally outdoes Goldberg. Those creatures have incredible chest banging taunts already. This is already better than most Goldberg matches. Now THAT is a Big Swing! Sorry Cesaro.
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Post by Terry McConkey on Oct 18, 2020 11:53:45 GMT -5
But Bret, most people (especially in 1998) could care less about work rate. Bret takes himself and wrestling so seriously. It's real to him. I digress. I preferred Bret Hart matches to Goldberg matches. Goldberg's matches were all the same cookie cutter "xx moves of doom" stuff that Cena was later saddled with by the IWC. I'm being very honest. I found Austin matches more interesting. Goldberg's streak was useless because he beat a lot of NOBODIES from the Power Plant and they ended it in such an anti-climatic manner.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 18, 2020 11:54:13 GMT -5
Keep in mind, any praise I give Goldberg is also balanced by me feeling Bret was one of the most versatile and believable wrestlers to ever lace boots, and could also elevate lesser guys. It’s what makes that botched kick all the sadder, because Bret had a history of guiding people through his storytelling ideas with Tom Magee and British “Bret, I’m f***ed!” Bulldog. In a just world, Bret would have dragged Goldberg to maybe his best match ever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 12:00:44 GMT -5
But Bret, most people (especially in 1998) could care less about work rate. Bret takes himself and wrestling so seriously. It's real to him. I digress. I preferred Bret Hart matches to Goldberg matches. Goldberg's matches were all the same cookie cutter "xx moves of doom" stuff that Cena was later saddled with by the IWC. I'm being very honest. I found Austin matches more interesting. Goldberg's streak was useless because he beat a lot of NOBODIES from the Power Plant and they ended it in such an anti-climatic manner. Austin is as much of a technical wizard as Bret, though.
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Post by Terry McConkey on Oct 18, 2020 12:02:34 GMT -5
I digress. I preferred Bret Hart matches to Goldberg matches. Goldberg's matches were all the same cookie cutter "xx moves of doom" stuff that Cena was later saddled with by the IWC. I'm being very honest. I found Austin matches more interesting. Goldberg's streak was useless because he beat a lot of NOBODIES from the Power Plant and they ended it in such an anti-climatic manner. Austin is as much of a technical wizard as Bret, though. Well duh. He was more of a technical guy in WCW. I wonder what would have happened if he and Bret had wrestled then? I bet it would be more of a technical brawl.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 12:05:04 GMT -5
Austin is as much of a technical wizard as Bret, though. Well duh. He was more of a technical guy in WCW. I wonder what would have happened if he and Bret had wrestled then? I bet it would be more of a technical brawl. The Bret vs Austin matches were perfect in my opinion. We might have got a technical classic if Stunning Steve or The Ringmaster faced Bret... But sometimes the clash of styles make the best matches what they are. Having two guys who are similar can sometimes be underwhelming.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 12:07:50 GMT -5
Austin is as much of a technical wizard as Bret, though. Well duh. He was more of a technical guy in WCW. I wonder what would have happened if he and Bret had wrestled then? I bet it would be more of a technical brawl. It would've/might've been The Greatest Match That Never Happened!
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