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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Oct 20, 2020 12:41:40 GMT -5
What are moments or other things in wrestling that seem to be help up as examples of either the worst or best things ever that aren’t really important?
Example: Why was everyone so up in arms about the Goldberg/Goldust thing?
I understand Goldberg was a scary badass, but he was also a face, he wasn’t going to beat up another babyface for making a friendly gesture, if he had, it would have made him an asshole and a heel.
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Post by Spider2024 on Oct 20, 2020 12:45:07 GMT -5
WWE seems to think the ending to Summerslam 2013 is one of the absolute greatest moments of all time.
I say f*** that moment and everything about it. How many fans actually 'like' that moment even?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 20, 2020 12:56:30 GMT -5
"The Rock put over the Hurricane". Yeah, no he didn't. The backstage segments were fun, but make no mistake about it, the match was pretty one sided and the Hurricane's "big win" was off a distraction by the glass breaking and Austin marching down to ringside. Hurricane celebrated in grand fashion by running away as Austin's music was still blaring.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 20, 2020 12:59:38 GMT -5
"The Rock put over the Hurricane". Yeah, no he didn't. The backstage segments were fun, but make no mistake about it, the match was pretty one sided and the Hurricane's "big win" was off a distraction by the glass breaking and Austin marching down to ringside. Hurricane celebrated in grand fashion by running away as Austin's music was still blaring. Yeah he did. The win wasn’t clean but his interactions with Hurricane put him over. Hurricane didn’t get jobbed out like he would today if those segments happened |
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 20, 2020 13:07:26 GMT -5
"The Rock put over the Hurricane". Yeah, no he didn't. The backstage segments were fun, but make no mistake about it, the match was pretty one sided and the Hurricane's "big win" was off a distraction by the glass breaking and Austin marching down to ringside. Hurricane celebrated in grand fashion by running away as Austin's music was still blaring. You seem obsessed with this, lol. Rock put Hurricane over in their segments and just beating him was a big deal. The pop was deafening. I believe it's Shane Helms favourite moments as a wrestler. |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Oct 20, 2020 13:09:47 GMT -5
"The Rock put over the Hurricane". Yeah, no he didn't. The backstage segments were fun, but make no mistake about it, the match was pretty one sided and the Hurricane's "big win" was off a distraction by the glass breaking and Austin marching down to ringside. Hurricane celebrated in grand fashion by running away as Austin's music was still blaring. Yeah he did. The win wasn’t clean but his interactions with Hurricane put him over. Hurricane didn’t get jobbed out like he would today if those segments happened Agreed. In the match Hurricane was clearly outmatched but he put up a hell of a fight and never gave up. If he had lost it would have been the definition of looking good in defeat. I mean Rock was a legend and Hurricane was a low card cruiserweight. He got all the offense he should have. JRs commentary made that match. |
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Post by James Fabiano on Oct 20, 2020 13:16:02 GMT -5
Hardy vs. Undertaker. People remember it as this classic that made a star out of Jeff. I just remember it as a usual ABA-era Taker no-sellfest.
There were fans who actually popped for the punchline of Katie Vick.
"Stripping" Ricky Steamboat of his identity in 1991. Yes the "Dragon" character was the rule and not the exception, but they did make references to his past time to time.
And oh yeah, can't resist...
Hulk Hogan's version of WrestleMania 3's events ;-)
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 20, 2020 13:28:18 GMT -5
Yeah he did. The win wasn’t clean but his interactions with Hurricane put him over. Hurricane didn’t get jobbed out like he would today if those segments happened Agreed. In the match Hurricane was clearly outmatched but he put up a hell of a fight and never gave up. If he had lost it would have been the definition of looking good in defeat. I mean Rock was a legend and Hurricane was a low card cruiserweight. He got all the offense he should have. JRs commentary made that match. Yeah, like this is one of the more clear examples of putting someone over. The interactions alone with a hot heel rock would been enough. He put him over everyday possible. Sold his insults and let him have a legit back and forth that showed Hurricane can hang with The Rock on the mic And then in ring where he got hope spots and picked up a W (it don’t matter that it wasn’t clean). Add on JR as you said doing some classic play calling and giving Hurricane a big boost to the TV audience |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 20, 2020 13:32:04 GMT -5
"The Rock put over the Hurricane". Yeah, no he didn't. The backstage segments were fun, but make no mistake about it, the match was pretty one sided and the Hurricane's "big win" was off a distraction by the glass breaking and Austin marching down to ringside. Hurricane celebrated in grand fashion by running away as Austin's music was still blaring. You seem obsessed with this, lol. Rock put Hurricane over in their segments and just beating him was a big deal. The pop was deafening. I believe it's Shane Helms favourite moments as a wrestler. Lol. I probably am, because enough people misremember the match as being a 5 star classic where Hurricane won even remotely clean. Maybe I am hard on the feud/match. |
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Post by thecrusherwi on Oct 20, 2020 13:48:28 GMT -5
This isn't really a singular event, but I often see 1997 WWF praised as one of the best years in company history. While it's true the second half of the year was very good, the first 4-6 months, even with the Austin/Bret double switch, is some of the consistently worst TV the company ever produced. And it really sticks out when you see how good WCW was during that time. WWE likes to talk about how WCW was winning with dirty tactics and overspending, but the truth is WCW from mid 1996 through mid 1997 was miles ahead of WWF in terms of quality. It's not even close.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 20, 2020 13:54:10 GMT -5
The Austin 3:16 speech kinda mattered but mostly for being the start of something but it played out pretty slowly in real time. And keep in mind that PPV buys were pretty low in that era. What Austin did week to week mattered more, especially when he finally got around to the Bret feud four months later. You can't tell his story without that moment but it also wasn't an industry changing promo or anything.
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Post by chrom on Oct 20, 2020 13:58:50 GMT -5
The Austin 3:16 speech kinda mattered but mostly for being the start of something but it played out pretty slowly in real time. And keep in mind that PPV buys were pretty low in that era. What Austin did week to week mattered more, especially when he finally got around to the Bret feud four months later. You can't tell his story without that moment but it also wasn't an industry changing promo or anything. Let's not forget that his award for winning KOTR was a match with Yokozuna at the preshow for Summerslam which he only won because Yoko pulled the ropes off and fell. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 14:04:47 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose didn't get squashed by Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania. He got more offence in than bigger stars like Cena and Reigns did in matches against Brock. It was a disappointing match because Ambrose had unrealistic expectations of doing a CZW/Mick Foley style match with blood and barbed wire and flaming tables and Brock wasn't willing to do any of that stuff.
It didn't exactly hurt his momentum either. 8 weeks later he was WWE champion then a few weeks after that he was first pick in the draft and won the first and only Shield triple threat match. He was at his peak. It was the disappointing match/feud with Ziggler and being overshadowed by Styles/Cena/Ellsworth/Miz on Smackdown that brought him down a peg.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 20, 2020 14:05:39 GMT -5
WWE seems to think the ending to Summerslam 2013 is one of the absolute greatest moments of all time. I say f*** that moment and everything about it. How many fans actually 'like' that moment even? I liked it at the time... it did lead to them over relying on Brock the unstoppable beast that takes the world title and then it no longer exists. but at the time... someone absolutely mauling John Cena is unheard of. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 20, 2020 14:11:33 GMT -5
WWE seems to think the ending to Summerslam 2013 is one of the absolute greatest moments of all time. I say f*** that moment and everything about it. How many fans actually 'like' that moment even? I liked it at the time... it did lead to them over relying on Brock the unstoppable beast that takes the world title and then it no longer exists. but at the time... someone absolutely mauling John Cena is unheard of. Yeah, you can only judge that moment badly in hindsight because they went full force with it But at that time, it was a genius move. Brock was built as the final boss monster, Cena got his ass whooped like no one ever did and people forget that, that reign of Brock was actually good It's the shit after for years that tarnishes it |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 14:11:43 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose didn't get squashed by Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania. He got more offence in than bigger stars like Cena and Reigns did in matches against Brock. It was a disappointing match because Ambrose had unrealistic expectations of doing a CZW/Mick Foley style match with blood and barbed wire and flaming tables and Brock wasn't willing to do any of that stuff. It didn't exactly hurt his momentum either. 8 weeks later he was WWE champion then a few weeks after that he was first pick in the draft and won the first and only Shield triple threat match. He was at his peak. It was the disappointing match/feud with Ziggler and being overshadowed by Styles/Cena/Ellsworth/Miz on Smackdown that brought him down a peg. At the time, I was angry about it like Ambrose/Mox was. But in the cut-throat world of pro-wrestling where you're only as cared about as you are useful, I don't blame Brock one bit for not wanting to risk major injury when you don't have to. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 20, 2020 14:13:01 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose didn't get squashed by Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania. He got more offence in than bigger stars like Cena and Reigns did in matches against Brock. It was a disappointing match because Ambrose had unrealistic expectations of doing a CZW/Mick Foley style match with blood and barbed wire and flaming tables and Brock wasn't willing to do any of that stuff. It didn't exactly hurt his momentum either. 8 weeks later he was WWE champion then a few weeks after that he was first pick in the draft and won the first and only Shield triple threat match. He was at his peak. It was the disappointing match/feud with Ziggler and being overshadowed by Styles/Cena/Ellsworth/Miz on Smackdown that brought him down a peg. At the time, I was angry about it like Ambrose/Mox was. But in the cut-throat world of pro-wrestling where you're only as cared about as you are useful, I don't blame Brock one bit for not wanting to risk major injury when you don't have to. the difference is from what Ambrose said he was pitching things for Brock to do to HIM. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 20, 2020 14:16:07 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose didn't get squashed by Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania. He got more offence in than bigger stars like Cena and Reigns did in matches against Brock. It was a disappointing match because Ambrose had unrealistic expectations of doing a CZW/Mick Foley style match with blood and barbed wire and flaming tables and Brock wasn't willing to do any of that stuff. It didn't exactly hurt his momentum either. 8 weeks later he was WWE champion then a few weeks after that he was first pick in the draft and won the first and only Shield triple threat match. He was at his peak. It was the disappointing match/feud with Ziggler and being overshadowed by Styles/Cena/Ellsworth/Miz on Smackdown that brought him down a peg. The rhetoric wasn't that he got squashed by Lesnar, it's that Lesnar didn't "kill him" WWE rightfully pushed the narrative that Brock had to kill Dean because that was the story but what it was, was a more hardcore version of a Brock match. That match got nowhere near the peak it should have gotten. WWE was behind Ambrose so it didn't slow him down, Brock didn't hold up his end of the bargain in the story due to being lazy and training for MMA All Brock had to do was beat the shit out of Ambrose. Ambrose gets his hope spots and Brock keeps hitting him with move after move and nothing stops Dean. Brock sells it as what is this guy made of and eventually Dean gives out but gets the respect of the beast So, no the story was never that Dean got squashed. It was that Dean didn't get his "Austin bad ass moment" but WWE still sold it as such because they had plans for Dean |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 20, 2020 14:18:35 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose didn't get squashed by Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania. He got more offence in than bigger stars like Cena and Reigns did in matches against Brock. It was a disappointing match because Ambrose had unrealistic expectations of doing a CZW/Mick Foley style match with blood and barbed wire and flaming tables and Brock wasn't willing to do any of that stuff. It didn't exactly hurt his momentum either. 8 weeks later he was WWE champion then a few weeks after that he was first pick in the draft and won the first and only Shield triple threat match. He was at his peak. It was the disappointing match/feud with Ziggler and being overshadowed by Styles/Cena/Ellsworth/Miz on Smackdown that brought him down a peg. The rhetoric wasn't that he got squashed by Lesnar, it's that Lesnar didn't "kill him" WWE rightfully pushed the narrative that Brock had to kill Dean because that was the story but what it was, was a more hardcore version of a Brock match. That match got nowhere near the peak it should have gotten. WWE was behind Ambrose so it didn't slow him down, Brock didn't hold up his end of the bargain in the story due to being lazy and training for MMA All Brock had to do was beat the shit out of Ambrose. Ambrose gets his hope spots and Brock keeps hitting him with move after move and nothing stops Dean. Brock sells it as what is this guy made of and eventually Dean gives out but gets the respect of the beast So, no the story was never that Dean got squashed. It was that Dean didn't get his "Austin bad ass moment" but WWE still sold it as such because they had plans for Dean Yeah, I was adding to my last message that. the problem with Brock vs. Dean was the story that led to the match and what they talked about after the match... didn't square with what actually happened in the match. they hyped it up that Brock was the ultimate asskicker but Dean was the terminator that would keep getting up regardless of what was done to him. and they kept talking about how Dean took Brock TO HIS LIMIT! when... it was just a pretty standard ultimate boss Brock match. Dean didn't need to win the match... Brock just had to start getting desperate and throwing shit he never would at Dean to keep him down.... that didn't happen but they tried to state it did. |
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Oct 20, 2020 14:18:59 GMT -5
I liked it at the time... it did lead to them over relying on Brock the unstoppable beast that takes the world title and then it no longer exists. but at the time... someone absolutely mauling John Cena is unheard of. Yeah, you can only judge that moment badly in hindsight because they went full force with it But at that time, it was a genius move. Brock was built as the final boss monster, Cena got his ass whooped like no one ever did and people forget that, that reign of Brock was actually good It's the shit after for years that tarnishes it Some of you are confusing SummerSlam 2013 and SummerSlam 2014. Brock squashed Cena in 2014. Orton and Triple H screwed Daniel Bryan in 2013. |
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