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Post by karl100589 on Oct 22, 2020 12:27:55 GMT -5
I've been on a bingewatch of OSW recently, and while I've always been aware of Hogan flexing his creative muscle/ acting like a diva I didn't realise how bad it was until now. The question I have is of all the times Hogan refused to job/ be in the shadow of someone else, which moment was the worst? I've come up with a short (or long) list of moments the boys mentioned, as well as others I've found reported online.
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Post by Spider2024 on Oct 22, 2020 12:32:09 GMT -5
That time he said he'd run for US President.
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Post by karl100589 on Oct 22, 2020 12:34:57 GMT -5
That time he said he'd run for US President.
I knew that joke was coming, but considering the original thread title was going to be "Hogan's biggest dick moments" I took the safe option.
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Post by nickcave on Oct 22, 2020 12:36:23 GMT -5
Sting at Starrcade
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Oct 22, 2020 12:37:06 GMT -5
Great topic!
Tough to say, but refusing to put Sting over hurt WCW in untold ways. It was a really simple story that WCW fans were craving. Then it was completely botched. It wasn’t completely Hogan’s fault since Sting looked like ass in the ring in that match too. Honestly, even Sting just squashing Hogan in a short match would have made more sense than what we got. Of course that was never going to happen.
Making Vader look like a joke was pretty bad too. At least with Jake, Perfect, Rude, Savage, etc. the guys were still over and he more limited how far they could shoot up than anything. With Vader years had been spent making him look like a legitimate main event monster. Then Hogan had at him and Vader’s career never recovered.
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Post by petef3 on Oct 22, 2020 12:47:03 GMT -5
Many of these did not involve "politicking." WM4 went exactly as planned (after the bracket switch, at least) and Mr. Perfect was never going to win the Royal Rumble. No idea how the '92 Rumble qualifies as "politicking" on any level.
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Post by timelimitdraw on Oct 22, 2020 12:53:06 GMT -5
Sting, without question.
The only way it would have made sense would be if it came out that Sting showed up unable to perform. (It almost feels like Bischoff tries to hint at that by saying that he didn't look good and wasn't in shape, even though Sting had been semi-regularly on Nitro and had wrestled a couple of house shows beforehand, so it wasn't as though Bischoff hadn't seen him in months.)
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Post by mrpeacock on Oct 22, 2020 12:59:26 GMT -5
Man when it’s all laid out like that’s it’s a really hard pick
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Post by Cyno on Oct 22, 2020 13:01:53 GMT -5
Hogan getting that creative control clause in his WCW contract enabled the worst in him. What happened at Starrcade '97 was the shining example of why that was such a bad idea.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Oct 22, 2020 13:16:26 GMT -5
Ratting out Ventura when he was trying to organize a union.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Oct 22, 2020 14:06:54 GMT -5
Discounting things like stooging Ventura to the office, Starrcade '97. That was supposed to be the grand climax to one of the biggest angles in wrestling history if not THE biggest. Eighteen months of build that was all supposed to pay off in that match, and he f***ed it. He trashed the angle, he trashed the show, he trashed Sting, he trashed Bret Hart, he trashed WCW, and for what? He gained nothing from the match going the way it did, really nothing.
That's the absolute worst onscreen thing he did in his career. And he and Bischoff still try to defend it when it's indefensible.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Oct 22, 2020 14:16:04 GMT -5
The two for me are
Wrestlemania 9 - Hulk Hogan had been gone nearly a year from the company. I think he politicked just because he could, then he didn't defend it and then referred to the title as a trinket and a toy in a Japanese press conference.
StarrCade 97 - what more can be said? his ego ruined of what they built of what should have been a clear home run for wCw, sometimes the most predictable outcome is the right outcome (Sting taking out nWo)
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 22, 2020 14:16:56 GMT -5
How about completely torpedoing Goldberg's title run while he was champion and/or the Fingerpoke of doom clusterf***?
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Post by FinalGwen on Oct 22, 2020 14:19:07 GMT -5
It's the Sting one, no doubt, had such a negative impact that ruined years of planning all for his ego, but what he did to Savage at WW3 is arguably more dickish.
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Post by 4real on Oct 22, 2020 14:20:05 GMT -5
Going for WW3 95. Behaved like a spoilt child just to ruin Savage’s moment. Couldn’t even let himself be eliminated in a 60 Man over the top battle royal.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 22, 2020 14:23:43 GMT -5
Sting, but the more far away it becomes, the more I feel that the Sting Hogan match should have happened at Bash at the Beach that year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 14:23:53 GMT -5
I could really just write 1998 as a whole but the highlight of that year would be how he shot the angles for the big Hogan vs. Nash feud and then decided not to bother doing the actual match leaving Nash and the Wolfpac with nothing going on while he was working celebrities in the main events.
Edit: Perfect was never winning the Rumble, his feud with Hogan had bombed and he'd started a feud with Beefcake on that same show. You could make a case for Warrior winning though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 14:43:00 GMT -5
If he got his way then returning at Survivor Series 2002 to beat Lesnar would be the answer. 50 year old Hogan being the first person to defeat Lesnar, after he had just beaten Rock clean and destroyed Undertaker in a cell, would have been worse than Goldberg returning to beat Fiend.
Did he refuse to put over Orton? I thought Orton was set to win that match then he had one of his wellness/attitude issues and because the Hogan feud had already began instead of taking him off TV they just fined him and changed the finish of the match as their way of punishing him then put him in a midcard feud with Carlito.
Hogan is so above anyone else at playing politics. He was so powerful he even managed to bury the Kliq one by one. He literally made Nash lay down and hand him the title, he made Hall his lackey in NWO Hollywood, he took the title from Triple H just a month after his big return and Wrestlemania win and he beat Shawn Michaels then got out of returning the favor like he was supposed to.
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Post by deezy on Oct 22, 2020 14:47:03 GMT -5
Starrcade 97 easily. The outcome of that match should of been the easiest thing to book. But of course, We know what happened.
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Post by WR91 on Oct 22, 2020 15:02:27 GMT -5
Not that it matters since Starrcade '97 won this whole handedly but I would say not having Hogan vs Flair at Mania 8 is his worse offense
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