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Post by fw91 on Oct 22, 2020 15:14:05 GMT -5
1993 in general
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Post by XIII on Oct 23, 2020 5:43:53 GMT -5
Not really politicking as much as it’s just kind of shitty, but literally stealing Superstar Billy Graham’s entire persona en route to becoming a huge star.
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Post by cjh on Oct 23, 2020 6:10:04 GMT -5
Why are some of these on the list?
Jake Roberts credits Vince for nixing the angle and actually agrees that putting Hogan in a position to possibly get booed would have been dumb.
The whole point of the Havoc 1995 finish was to get the WCW Title held up for the WW3 battle royal.
Hogan/Rock was always the plan for WM 18. Plus, judging from his comments over the years, Austin is the one who wasn't interested in a match between them.
My vote is for WM IX.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Oct 23, 2020 8:16:21 GMT -5
All the other stuff is terrible but his Starrcade 98 hissy fit was the beginning of the end of WCW
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Oct 23, 2020 8:52:49 GMT -5
bringing in Warrior to wCw for Hogan to get his win back in a fake fight doesn't sound so bad now since WWE brought in Cain Velasquez for Brock Lesnar to get a fake win back from a real fight.
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Post by evilone on Oct 23, 2020 9:36:02 GMT -5
Starcade, it was the tipping point for WCW. Literally.
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Post by petef3 on Oct 23, 2020 10:12:41 GMT -5
Not really politicking as much as it’s just kind of shitty, but literally stealing Superstar Billy Graham’s entire persona en route to becoming a huge star. Lots of people ripped off Billy Graham. Hogan borrowed his act from several people, including Blackjack Mulligan--that's what a lot of the greats do. Except Hogan did it better than either of them.
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Post by Celgress on Oct 23, 2020 10:24:04 GMT -5
There are so many worthy choices, but I have to go with "Refusing to put Sting over clean (SC97)". That was shameful and hurt WCW and by extension the industry a great deal.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Oct 23, 2020 23:26:47 GMT -5
The two for me are Wrestlemania 9 - Hulk Hogan had been gone nearly a year from the company. I think he politicked just because he could, then he didn't defend it and then referred to the title as a trinket and a toy in a Japanese press conference. But they needed Hogan as champion so they could sell more tickets to the post Wrestlemania European house shows (that he wasn't going to be at.*) (*This was a reference to a classic bit from the Wrestlemania 9 episode of Something to Wrestle where Bruce gave that reason and Conrad ripped into Prichard's lack of logic.)
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Post by koreycaskets on Oct 23, 2020 23:32:44 GMT -5
Maby I'm remembering wrong but wasn't it Austin who wanted nothing to do with Hogan and Hogan really wanted a match with Stone cold?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Oct 24, 2020 2:29:02 GMT -5
The two for me are Wrestlemania 9 - Hulk Hogan had been gone nearly a year from the company. I think he politicked just because he could, then he didn't defend it and then referred to the title as a trinket and a toy in a Japanese press conference. But they needed Hogan as champion so they could sell more tickets to the post Wrestlemania European house shows (that he wasn't going to be at.*) (*This was a reference to a classic bit from the Wrestlemania 9 episode of Something to Wrestle where Bruce gave that reason and Conrad ripped into Prichard's lack of logic.) It was added value to the already sold out shows!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 6:34:27 GMT -5
Can someone fill me in on why he didn't want to work with Rude? Haven't heard that one.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Oct 24, 2020 7:13:51 GMT -5
Discounting things like stooging Ventura to the office, Starrcade '97. That was supposed to be the grand climax to one of the biggest angles in wrestling history if not THE biggest. Eighteen months of build that was all supposed to pay off in that match, and he f***ed it. He trashed the angle, he trashed the show, he trashed Sting, he trashed Bret Hart, he trashed WCW, and for what? He gained nothing from the match going the way it did, really nothing. That's the absolute worst onscreen thing he did in his career. And he and Bischoff still try to defend it when it's indefensible. If Sting wanted to go over clean then he should have shown up to Starrcade a lot more tan. BROTHER!!!
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Post by fortknox on Oct 24, 2020 9:07:30 GMT -5
The answer will forever be Starcade '97. Says this lifetime Sting fan.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Oct 24, 2020 9:21:03 GMT -5
Can someone fill me in on why he didn't want to work with Rude? Haven't heard that one. Wasn't rude a legit tough guy? If so Hogan was probably worried about stiffness. Just my guess.
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Post by dav on Oct 24, 2020 9:31:43 GMT -5
Can someone fill me in on why he didn't want to work with Rude? Haven't heard that one. Wasn't rude a legit tough guy? If so Hogan was probably worried about stiffness. Just my guess. Not sure if that would be the case. Hogan worked frequently in Japan, as well as the likes of Harley Race and Vader. He wasn't really a stranger to going against actual tough guys or those that worked particularly stiff.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Oct 24, 2020 9:38:21 GMT -5
Wasn't rude a legit tough guy? If so Hogan was probably worried about stiffness. Just my guess. Not sure if that would be the case. Hogan worked frequently in Japan, as well as the likes of Harley Race and Vader. He wasn't really a stranger to going against actual tough guys or those that worked particularly stiff. It is widely reported that Hogan did not want to work with Vader when he came to WCW because of the stiffness. As for Japan and Race my guess would be that he trusted them. In Japan he was a megastar and Race was a professional who wouldn't mess up a good paying run against Hogan.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Oct 24, 2020 9:52:43 GMT -5
Why would Mr Perfect win the 1990 Royal Rumble? He was already going to work a midcard program with Beefcake at WrestleMania. The only choice other than Hogan would have been Warrior - but with Warrior slated to win at WrestleMania, it makes sense to give it to Hulk. He was still the biggest star and even after the loss to Warrior, he was still planned to be headlining one of the two touring groups.
I don’t really see any of those WWF examples as politicking. Hogan was the biggest star in the company and it was in Hogan and McMahon’s best interest to protect him and keep him strong. As for not losing to Bret, Hulk could see the writing on the wall and probably thought he was either going part time or to WCW. Why lose clean on the way out if you don’t have to? And while Hogan did a lot of lobbying in WCW, he was in his contractual right to do so. It’s not really politicking when your contract gives you total creative control.
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Post by dav on Oct 24, 2020 9:56:23 GMT -5
Not sure if that would be the case. Hogan worked frequently in Japan, as well as the likes of Harley Race and Vader. He wasn't really a stranger to going against actual tough guys or those that worked particularly stiff. It is widely reported that Hogan did not want to work with Vader when he came to WCW because of the stiffness. As for Japan and Race my guess would be that he trusted them. In Japan he was a megastar and Race was a professional who wouldn't mess up a good paying run against Hogan. Still worked with him though and Race was allegedly a guy who (Depending on the story), hit Hogan backstage and threatened him with a gun. He worked with guys with a stiff style aplenty, so I don't think that'd be the core reason behind it, if it's true. He did have at least one televised match with Rude and worked with him in the house shows. I think it may have been timing with it as well, to a certain extent. Just did a quick Google search about any potential beef they had and it comes up on this older thread from this forum: officialfan.proboards.com/thread/541517/hulk-hogan-ravishing-rick-rudeTenth post has the details.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 10:02:53 GMT -5
Maybe it's simpler, and Hogan didn't want Rude's body showing him up?
Rude's definition was more cut than Hogan's
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