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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Oct 24, 2020 20:06:26 GMT -5
Looking at it and only 2 have links in the Wikipedia article ( Heidi LeeMorgan and Alundra Blayze)
Rusty Thomas, Angie Marino, Black Venus, and Allison Royal... Who were these people
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Oct 24, 2020 20:23:27 GMT -5
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Post by petef3 on Oct 24, 2020 22:54:01 GMT -5
Are we sure Angie Marino isn't actually Angie Minelli?
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Post by Viking Hall on Oct 25, 2020 5:09:14 GMT -5
That thread was an interesting read. WWF could have really had something that set them apart in the mid-nineties with that AJW link in the same way WCW did with the Luchadores initially. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 6:30:28 GMT -5
Heidi Lee Morgan... she was the one who wrestled in fitness gear, right?
Looking back at the very few matches that ever made TV with her, I always wondered why they didn't make her wear shorts or something as a modesty thing.
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Post by auph10imitated on Oct 26, 2020 8:53:40 GMT -5
Its so annoying that there is actual footage of it but we saw noting but the finals, not even photos USWA @ Memphis, TN - Mid-South Coliseum - November 29, 1993 WWF Women's Championship Tournament First Round: Madusa defeated Alison Royal WWF @ Springfield, MA - Civic Center - November 30, 1993 (4,000; papered) Wrestling Challenge taping: WWF Women's Championship Tournament First Round: Heidi Lee Morgan defeated Black Venus WWF Women's Championship Tournament First Round: Rusty Thomas defeated Angie Marino WWF @ Utica, NY - War Memorial - December 1, 1993 (4,500) WWF Women's Championship Tournament Semi-Finals: Heidi Lee Morgan defeated Rusty Thomas WWF @ Poughkeepsie, NY - Mid-Hudson Civic Center - December 13, 1993 Monday Night Raw taping: All American Wrestling - 12/26/93: WWF Women's Title Tournament Finals: Alundra Blayze pinned Heidi Lee Morgan with a German suplex into a bridge at 6:29 after avoiding a clothesline (Blayze's TV debut) In terms of the poeople in the tournament, we obviously know Madusa. Heidi Lee Morgan was quite a good hand, started in the early 80's and did the women's scene, even had the first Womens Cage Match with Wendi Richter in the 80's and also worked Madusa a year previously in 1992 on the WCW Great American Bash tour Rusty Thomas had been around a while too and mainly worked the LPWA Alison Royal too worked in the LPWA and was a second generation wrestler, she actually worked a match against Madusa in the LPWA in 1991 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4Gg-Z0blEBlack Venus previously worked in the WWF in the 80s and while she was getting older at this point (she died in 1995) she was actually a really bad ass worker, so im surprised they didnt use her as a heel opponent for Alundra Blayze. She challenged Fabulous Moolah for the title in '86 so that could have been mentioned - www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f35DzphPEIAngie Marino is the only one I haven't heard off. yes there was an Angie Minelli in the WWF in the 80's so it could be her. Or she just could have been a filler/jobber. I still dont understand the lack of Luna Vachon, and they even had Jacqueline working matches with Sherri and Luna throughout 1993 in the USWA and was in that segment with Jeff Jarrett a month prior too this. Plus Malia Hosaka was a good worker and had been wrestling Madusa on an International All Stars Show in October 1993 when she was actually under WWF contract then - www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxfeRFmh8Uc (last match) |
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Post by 06vwgti on Oct 26, 2020 23:50:27 GMT -5
I still dont understand the lack of Luna Vachon, and they even had Jacqueline working matches with Sherri and Luna throughout 1993 in the USWA and was in that segment with Jeff Jarrett a month prior too this. Plus Malia Hosaka was a good worker and had been wrestling Madusa on an International All Stars Show in October 1993 when she was actually under WWF contract then - www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxfeRFmh8Uc (last match) I always wondered why Jacqueline wasn't given a shot earlier around this time, a lot of stuff I recalled reading was she was "injured", but her shoot interview she denied she was injured. And even Bruce Pritchard in the Jeff Jarrett episode of STW mentioned they were interested in hiring her back then. Pay shouldn't have been an issue? Just odd how she never had a match with Madusa even when they were in WCW at the same time in 97 |
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Post by auph10imitated on Oct 27, 2020 15:48:27 GMT -5
Yeah it’s so strange, especially hearing from Bruce that there was interest in her. Her starting with Jarrett as his manager and eventually feuding with Alundra would have been good. That division really could have been a division before even bringing in the Joshi talent
Luna (Bam Bam manager)
Jackie (Jarrett manager)
Alundra (top face)
Heidi Lee
Leilani Kai (veteran and former champion)
Malia Hosaka (secondary baby face)
That’s 6 women who were good enough to work matches but all very different in characters and looks
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Post by XIII on Oct 27, 2020 17:08:44 GMT -5
Malia Hosaka said that when she was there one of the agents asked her why she wanted to wrestle and “we have men for that” I can’t imagine that they were taking it any more seriously in 93.
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Post by jason1980s on Oct 27, 2020 17:33:15 GMT -5
Malia Hosaka said that when she was there one of the agents asked her why she wanted to wrestle and “we have men for that” I can’t imagine that they were taking it any more seriously in 93. I'm guessing their entire point of the title was getting Alundra and one other person for various matches. I'm surprised they even had more than one final match without pretending there was some big tournament. |
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Post by timelimitdraw on Oct 27, 2020 20:22:32 GMT -5
Malia Hosaka said that when she was there one of the agents asked her why she wanted to wrestle and “we have men for that” I can’t imagine that they were taking it any more seriously in 93. I'm guessing their entire point of the title was getting Alundra and one other person for various matches. I'm surprised they even had more than one final match without pretending there was some big tournament. Honestly, for years I'd just assumed that the finals was the only match in the "tournament" because I hadn't seen any other matches (and barely any mentions) of it before the title match. It felt like the Alundra Blayze thing was Vince realizing that business was struggling and throwing stuff against the wall to see if anything would stick. It's a shame because Alundra, Rhonda Singh, and Bull Nakano (along with other women who occasionally wrestled there) deserved better. Quick sidebar: I got to see Madusa wrestle on a nearby indie show about a month after she won the WWF Women's title. The match was billed as a Women's title match, but she was announced as Madusa and came out with a belt she'd won in Japan. Still was a cool moment though. |
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Post by auph10imitated on Oct 28, 2020 7:13:41 GMT -5
Yes I do believe Madusa was still doing a few dates for the indies in Janaury 1994, and thats why she didnt start work matches for the WWF (apart from that Heidi Lee match) until February 1994 so I guess she was finishing up dates. In fact here is a rare match of Kevin Sullivan and Greg Valentine (managed by Madusa and Woman) against Virgil and the Barbarian. Madusa gets into a fight with Woman at the end and also beats Sabu & Taz with a chair and this was on the 28th January 1994, so technically she is Alundra Blayze here. www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGmvweSRyI4To be honest with you, I think the hiring of Madusa was simply to replace the departing Sensational Sherri. Sherri was fired in August 1993 right in the middle of a feud with Luna Vachon, they started talking to Madusa in September 1993 and the Observer said it was to work with Luna, I think she was just there to fill the spot Sherri had vacated. Then when they realised she was a competent worker they thought lets bring back the Womens Title and give her a monthly opponent for the House Show loop (a bit like Robin & Sherri previously) as "special feature" for the card - as opposed to building a serious division full of women like we see today. That's what i think the mindset behind it was. Then as time went on with Madusa's connections to AJW, they brought over Nakano. In fact I do believe the original plan for her in 1996 had they not gotten rid of her, was to go and work full time for AJW again taking the Womens Title there (a bit like the WWF Junior Heavyweight Titke in the 80's) but she would come back to the states to do PPV matches with random Japanese women, likely with zero build up but just used as attaraction filler like the Mexican mini's |
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Post by toodarkmark on Oct 28, 2020 11:24:59 GMT -5
Looking at it and only 2 have links in the Wikipedia article ( Heidi LeeMorgan and Alundra Blayze) Rusty Thomas, Angie Marino, Black Venus, and Allison Royal... Who were these people Black Venus worked LPWA, and was in the greatest woman's wrestling movie ever, American Angels. She was actually someone I really liked, but women's wrestling was so dead in the early 90's, she never got a shot. Allison Royal also worked LPWA. She had a match with Madusa, and maybe they knew each other, so they may have asked Madusa who she felt could be early jobbers in the tournament. Rusty Thomas was pretty much the same. She worked LPWA, and worked with Heidi Lee Morgan on the indies in 1992. They knew Madusa versus Heidi Lee was the finale, and asked for some talent they were comfortable working with before the championship match. |
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Post by nisidhe on Oct 29, 2020 21:43:46 GMT -5
Thinking about how deep Moolah had her claws into the women's side of the business (at least in North America), I'm wondering how much pull she had over the WWE's scene in that timeframe, and whether such pull impacted who Vince was able to bring in alongside Madusa?
It did revive some careers, at least temporarily, but many (including Madusa, to be honest) were in the business for quite some time by that point and were mainly brought in to make Madusa look good. Heidi Lee Morgan, as well as working LPWA, was also doing stuff for David McLane back in the day. That leads me to wonder - where was Ivory/Tina Ferrari/Lisa Moretti/Nina in all this? Was she active or not between the GLOW/POWW stint and coming into WWE?
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Post by auph10imitated on Oct 30, 2020 5:53:25 GMT -5
Moolah had zero impact on the scene at that poimt, while I am sure she was still training women there was no way she was booking anyone in high spots at all. That was over in the mid 80's around the JBA/GG stuff. It was clear then she had lost control.
Though according to Leilani Kai's shoot, they wanted Moolah to referee the Alundra Blayze vs Leilani Kai Wrestlemania 10 match (probably for nostalgia purposes rather than a storyline) and Kai refused which is why they was going to have Blayze vs Debbie Combs instead, until Kai eventually agreed.
Ivory worked for the LPWA in 1990 and one match for the UWF in 1994, but apart from that she was gone from the business for quite some time before 1999 in the WWF.
Terri Power/Tori had just gotten injured in 1993 and was out until she came to the WWF in 1998
Reggie Bennett was a good choice as an opponent but I think she was contracted to AJW.
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Post by auph10imitated on Nov 28, 2021 10:44:05 GMT -5
I have some further information on this mysterious tournament, I said in previous posts that Angie Marino was the only one I had not heard of, it turns out that Angie Moreno is the woman who wrestled under the name of Nasty Angel in the early 90's sparodically, she was trained my Iron Mike Sharpe and a photo of her is below, I am now wondering if her name was misheard and she was working Angel Marino perhaps? She also wrestled Madusa on November 13th 1993 on a MEWF (Mid Eastern Wrestling Federation) card, which is two weeks before the tornament began, which may explain her involvement and use in the tournament  |
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Post by James Fabiano on Nov 28, 2021 14:30:10 GMT -5
Moolah had zero impact on the scene at that poimt, while I am sure she was still training women there was no way she was booking anyone in high spots at all. That was over in the mid 80's around the JBA/GG stuff. It was clear then she had lost control. Though according to Leilani Kai's shoot, they wanted Moolah to referee the Alundra Blayze vs Leilani Kai Wrestlemania 10 match (probably for nostalgia purposes rather than a storyline) and Kai refused which is why they was going to have Blayze vs Debbie Combs instead, until Kai eventually agreed. Ivory worked for the LPWA in 1990 and one match for the UWF in 1994, but apart from that she was gone from the business for quite some time before 1999 in the WWF. Terri Power/Tori had just gotten injured in 1993 and was out until she came to the WWF in 1998 Reggie Bennett was a good choice as an opponent but I think she was contracted to AJW. Hope by then it was only training.. There was 80s talent ...Kai and Venus was there too at the time. |
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Post by jason1980s on Nov 28, 2021 14:50:27 GMT -5
I think by even the 80s it wasn't even Moolah doing the training, I thought it was other student trainers at her compound.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Nov 29, 2021 0:16:13 GMT -5
I was worried I got black out drunk again and asked about the 1993 women's championship tournament again before seeing it was an old topic of mine
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Post by auph10imitated on Nov 29, 2021 6:45:04 GMT -5
I was worried I got black out drunk again and asked about the 1993 women's championship tournament again before seeing it was an old topic of mine  |
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