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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 19, 2020 23:15:40 GMT -5
You leave this place and do real world things for like five hours...
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 19, 2020 23:17:48 GMT -5
keeping him around to ostracize him just seems weird Oh no, that's not what's happening here at all. They kept him around to work a job above his pay grade, and wrapped it up with a "your performance is so unsatisfactory that we want you to keep doing the exact same job but with a lot more unpaid overtime" pitch. He's the perfect target too: a socially maladjusted fanboy for the product who thinks of this as a "dream job" and who's already on thin enough ice that he'll be desperate to please. None of this is unique to wrestling, I've seen variations of it firsthand across multiple industries. Keep your workers scared and insecure enough and they'll willingly violate labor laws intended for their own protection. It's a core component of capitalism, and as long as wage theft remains both one of the most common and least prosecuted crimes in America, it's not going to change. The Bill Demott situation was the same, really. Actually reading the complaints, a huge part of the tough guy posturing was about pressuring performers to keep working while injured. Why do you think the office silenced complaints against him for so long? Breaking down either situation to "bullying" overlooks the real point, it's a culture about breaking down workers' self-respect to better exploit them.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 19, 2020 23:22:05 GMT -5
keeping him around to ostracize him just seems weird Oh no, that's not what's happening here at all. They kept him around to work a job above his pay grade, and wrapped it up with a "your performance is so unsatisfactory that we want you to keep doing the exact same job but with a lot more unpaid overtime" pitch. He's the perfect target too: a socially maladjusted fanboy for the product who thinks of this as a "dream job" and who's already on thin enough ice that he'll be desperate to please. None of this is unique to wrestling, I've seen variations of it firsthand across multiple industries. Keep your workers scared and insecure enough and they'll willingly violate labor laws intended for their own protection. It's a core component of capitalism, and as long as wage theft remains both one of the most common and least prosecuted crimes in America, it's not going to change. The Bill Demott situation was the same, really. Actually reading the complaints, a huge part of the tough guy posturing was about pressuring performers to keep working while injured. Why do you think the office silenced complaints against him for so long? Breaking down either situation to "bullying" overlooks the real point, it's a culture about breaking down workers' self-respect to better exploit them. I don't disagree They sort of lose the high ground with dude behavior with them keeping him on. He clearly did enough satisfactory work to continue to be employed despite some highway crazy shit on social media It is a situation where everyone really doesn't come out well. Dude in question got his business put out there right or wrong for speaking on it but as I said earlier it really doesn't change the bottom line of what the hell was going on. Dude got issues but if y'all knew that and still kept him on or potentially strung him along because you could then this whole thing is f***ed This has been a weird few hours
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 19, 2020 23:40:14 GMT -5
Oh no, that's not what's happening here at all. They kept him around to work a job above his pay grade, and wrapped it up with a "your performance is so unsatisfactory that we want you to keep doing the exact same job but with a lot more unpaid overtime" pitch. He's the perfect target too: a socially maladjusted fanboy for the product who thinks of this as a "dream job" and who's already on thin enough ice that he'll be desperate to please. None of this is unique to wrestling, I've seen variations of it firsthand across multiple industries. Keep your workers scared and insecure enough and they'll willingly violate labor laws intended for their own protection. It's a core component of capitalism, and as long as wage theft remains both one of the most common and least prosecuted crimes in America, it's not going to change. The Bill Demott situation was the same, really. Actually reading the complaints, a huge part of the tough guy posturing was about pressuring performers to keep working while injured. Why do you think the office silenced complaints against him for so long? Breaking down either situation to "bullying" overlooks the real point, it's a culture about breaking down workers' self-respect to better exploit them. I don't disagree They sort of lose the high ground with dude behavior with them keeping him on. He clearly did enough satisfactory work to continue to be employed despite some highway crazy shit on social media It is a situation where everyone really doesn't come out well. Dude in question got his business put out there right or wrong for speaking on it but as I said earlier it really doesn't change the bottom line of what the hell was going on. Dude got issues but if y'all knew that and still kept him on or potentially strung him along because you could then this whole thing is f***ed This has been a weird few hours I mean my question then is how much did they actually know? Since a lot of those tweets are from years ago. The ones being weird to Cody they might've found, but idk about the N-Word or Racist Tweets. Considering he was brought in to AEW through DDP's company, there's a chance AEW had no clue about those since Louie said himself DDP was the reason he had the crossover job to begin with. In which case yeah AEW probably should have background checked him harder, but especially DDP's company probably should have too, but at the same time as someone said here, DDP's company might've known, but they also might've used it to pressure him into working or taking shit. Two wrongs do not make a write, essentially, and I agree, this is a weird few hours where I'm more left throwing my hands up than reaching a conclusion. Unless more comes out we may never get that and just have to note the information we got tonight.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 19, 2020 23:57:38 GMT -5
It really sucks if he was bullied, I hate shit like that soooo much.... but he has ruined any and all crediblity had has/had with those past tweets coming out. I don't care if he is really sorry about those past tweets etc. Twitter is a PUBLIC social Media tool and if you have a nasty past online, that is nobody elses fault but yours. You should have cleaned up your PUBLIC media presence beforehand imo. It doesn't really matter how hard you clean something up. If you've said something that can be used against you later, it's been screenshot'd.
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Post by mystermystery on Nov 19, 2020 23:58:00 GMT -5
How is it "skeevy" if she agreed to take money for it and do it? It's not as black and white as you make it imo. If I was offered anything over $20 to eat cereal on camera for somebody or something I'd be like "This is skeevy as f***, but some rando is paying me to eat cereal, sure I'll do it, easiest money I've ever made" Edit: I think I just misread the two posts above slightly. Oh well If my comment is slightly off or whatever I apologize, just gonna keep my mouth shut now haha. This post reminded me of Megabyte Ronnie's Twitch stream after he lost his 9-to-5 job where he half jokingly discussed starting an OnlyFans of himself eating food while in his underwear but said he wouldn't want to go to an indy show and have someone wave a picture in his face and ask "Why are you in your underwear eating five pounds of carrots?"
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Post by Cyno on Nov 20, 2020 0:04:50 GMT -5
You know weird shit's going on when the words "cereal porn" are among the least controversial parts of it.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 20, 2020 0:05:55 GMT -5
I don't disagree They sort of lose the high ground with dude behavior with them keeping him on. He clearly did enough satisfactory work to continue to be employed despite some highway crazy shit on social media It is a situation where everyone really doesn't come out well. Dude in question got his business put out there right or wrong for speaking on it but as I said earlier it really doesn't change the bottom line of what the hell was going on. Dude got issues but if y'all knew that and still kept him on or potentially strung him along because you could then this whole thing is f***ed This has been a weird few hours I mean my question then is how much did they actually know? Since a lot of those tweets are from years ago. The ones being weird to Cody they might've found, but idk about the N-Word or Racist Tweets. Considering he was brought in to AEW through DDP's company, there's a chance AEW had no clue about those since Louie said himself DDP was the reason he had the crossover job to begin with. In which case yeah AEW probably should have background checked him harder, but especially DDP's company probably should have too, but at the same time as someone said here, DDP's company might've known, but they also might've used it to pressure him into working or taking shit. Two wrongs do not make a write, essentially, and I agree, this is a weird few hours where I'm more left throwing my hands up than reaching a conclusion. Unless more comes out we may never get that and just have to note the information we got tonight. I mean, that's kind of the thing, though. There isn't an Angel and a Devil in every situation. Sometimes you just have 2 extremely flawed, possibly enough to both get the "Devil" classification, butting heads. Bad people don't just do bad things to good people. They also do them to other bad people. And despite there being something abhorrent about them, they might not always deserve it every time something bad happens to them. Of course, when you don't want to particularly have to believe either side, yeah, that can make it difficult.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 20, 2020 0:17:15 GMT -5
Until waiting for evidence dude is gonna have a hard time having people believe him over DDP,considering his past and DDP's reputation.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 20, 2020 0:18:21 GMT -5
I mean my question then is how much did they actually know? Since a lot of those tweets are from years ago. The ones being weird to Cody they might've found, but idk about the N-Word or Racist Tweets. Considering he was brought in to AEW through DDP's company, there's a chance AEW had no clue about those since Louie said himself DDP was the reason he had the crossover job to begin with. In which case yeah AEW probably should have background checked him harder, but especially DDP's company probably should have too, but at the same time as someone said here, DDP's company might've known, but they also might've used it to pressure him into working or taking shit. Two wrongs do not make a write, essentially, and I agree, this is a weird few hours where I'm more left throwing my hands up than reaching a conclusion. Unless more comes out we may never get that and just have to note the information we got tonight. I mean, that's kind of the thing, though. There isn't an Angel and a Devil in every situation. Sometimes you just have 2 extremely flawed, possibly enough to both get the "Devil" classification, butting heads. Bad people don't just do bad things to good people. They also do them to other bad people. And despite there being something abhorrent about them, they might not always deserve it every time something bad happens to them. Of course, when you don't want to particularly have to believe either side, yeah, that can make it difficult. At the very least, this thread got pretty interesting, even entertaining by the end FAN's good at that, it's a reason I love it here
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Post by deadzeppelin on Nov 20, 2020 0:38:00 GMT -5
You know weird shit's going on when the words "cereal porn" are among the least controversial parts of it. 2020... That's all I've got
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 1:00:08 GMT -5
Sounds like he socially awkward guy in a toxic work environment.
They should take a look at some of the bosses at DDPs company.
I hope this guy lands on his feet somewhere he sounds talented but yeah this is why I don’t have Twitter.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 20, 2020 2:13:58 GMT -5
Sounds like he socially awkward guy in a toxic work environment. Eeeeeeh if you read the last few pages of the thread the toxic work environment isn't disproven on DDP's end but I would not describe this guy as "Socially Awkward" after some of the tweets I saw...
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Post by Fake Jesus on Nov 20, 2020 3:31:09 GMT -5
So my options here are to believe one creepy, perverted racist with an axe to grind or assume that DDP (Who he didn't name, but DID hint at just enough to make people think for a second and hook 'em into the story), who is largely regarded as one of the better guys in the industry, is actually a hateful freak. And I mean, even if he's telling the truth the only people we have DDP on record as being an asshole to are creepy perverted racists, so I'd be cheering the guy on anyway
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 20, 2020 3:35:18 GMT -5
So if I'm following this correctly, the story is 'Guy comes out saying he has horror stories about AEW, is revealed not to actually have worked for them, but for a production company they gave work to, and the biggest AEW name he brought up had little to no direct interaction with him and the guys who treated him the worst weren't AEW employees at all. He turned out to have been kind of abysmal in his own right on social media, with racist and homophobic tweets, and ones being creepy about AEW workers left up even after he tried to clean it up before telling his story, and said behaviour caused friction with his boss.'
Bullying isn't acceptable, but the guy doesn't seem like the nicest person in his own right so outside corroboration is probably needed, someone who isn't awful backing up his version of events.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 20, 2020 4:14:30 GMT -5
I am just wondering what the hell a "cereal fetish" is.
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Post by wankah on Nov 20, 2020 4:53:36 GMT -5
So there's mental bullying, sexually referenced creepiness, cereal porn and racism all included in this story thus far? All I can say is f***ing hell, man.
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Post by Viking Hall on Nov 20, 2020 6:26:42 GMT -5
I am just wondering what the hell a "cereal fetish" is. Same. I mean I like a bowl of Corn Flakes as much as the next man but I've never felt the urge to stick my dick in them. In all seriousness though, this is the perfect example or why I can never fully go along with Twitter accusations because 9 times out of 10 you only ever have to wait a matter of hours before an actually happens.
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Post by BitterAF on Nov 20, 2020 7:11:53 GMT -5
Went to bed thinking why is this guy throwing AEW under the bus when his beef is with his actual employer....
... Wake up and understand why they encouraged him to delete his social medias.
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Post by BitterAF on Nov 20, 2020 7:20:42 GMT -5
Also, seems like he did test positive for COVID, which he kinda sorta alluded to in his original post
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