Mox has been having one of the best title reigns in years

[Fake Jesus]

Seriously, I struggle to think of a face world title run - in America - that's been as good in the last decade. He's not done anything super flashy, but he's just been having a prolonged, varied fighting-champ run which feels like an extension of his widely acclaimed run as WWE Champ in 2016. There have been numerous distinct storylines, multiple times he felt like he could very well lose the title, and he's always seemed only a slight step ahead of the numerous people gunning for him. This is such an important title reign for AEW and I feel like they're knocking it out of the park. Even when the storylines have had coronavirus run interference, they manage to pull it back with the title match.

The only face run I can recall being this strong in recent years is PAC's stint as NXT Champion.

[Mozenrath]

I've really enjoyed it, honestly, and I like that, even if he's not the type to be there every week, he still ends up involved with a number of different wrestlers and getting a lot of stews going at any given time.

If Omega indeed dethrones him, which certainly seems likely, it's going to be a reign definitely worth being proud of.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

He's a perfect champion, the ratings and feedback show how much of a draw he is for that very reason. Kingston and him is my world title feud of the year, just beautiful

At this point I wonder when the first transitional title reign for the AEW World title is gonna be, cause if Mox loses it to Kenny, I can see Kenny holding it for months too.

[polarbearpete]

Nov 20, 2020 5:01:33 GMT -5 Fake Jesus said:

Seriously, I struggle to think of a face world title run - in America - that's been as good in the last decade. He's not done anything super flashy, but he's just been having a prolonged, varied fighting-champ run which feels like an extension of his widely acclaimed run as WWE Champ in 2016. There have been numerous distinct storylines, multiple times he felt like he could very well lose the title, and he's always seemed only a slight step ahead of the numerous people gunning for him. This is such an important title reign for AEW and I feel like they're knocking it out of the park. Even when the storylines have had coronavirus run interference, they manage to pull it back with the title match.

The only face run I can recall being this strong in recent years is PAC's stint as NXT Champion.

I’d say the beginning of Punk’s reign in 2011-2012 (before he turned heel 8 months into the reign) is up there as a face run. He fought and beat Del Rio, Jericho, Miz, Bryan, Ziggler, Kane, Henry and also won an Elimination Chamber title defense.

Ambrose’s 2016 run was good but he was actually only champ for a couple of months as Styles won it in September.

A more comparable run is probably Styles’ 2017-2018 face run on Smackdown. He defeated Zayn, Owens, Mahal, Cena, Corbin, Ziggler, Nakamura, Joe before losing to Bryan. Some of those feuds did drag a bit though.

I’d say McIntyre’s reign this year also started similarly, though he’s been feuding with Orton for a month or two too long. He fought and beat Lesnar, Show, Rollins, Lashley, MVP, Ziggler, Roode, and now Orton.

Kofi’s run was great up until the terrible ending .

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

I don't know about all that

I feel like Drew equals or had a better title reign including the stuff with him and Randy. Same with Kofi having a better run sans the way it ended with Lesnar

Mox struggled early without a crowd and hit his stride in the summer once AEW opened up a little more and this recent stuff with Kingston but he's had a good reign.

[Fake Jesus]

Nov 20, 2020 7:27:39 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

I don't know about all that

I feel like Drew equals or had a better title reign including the stuff with him and Randy. Same with Kofi having a better run sans the way it ended with Lesnar

Mox struggled early without a crowd and hit his stride in the summer once AEW opened up a little more and this recent stuff with Kingston but he's had a good reign.

KK's title reign was a disappointment. The ending with Lesnar automatically tarnishes it to an extent, but the artificially prolonged Ziggler feud and the Orton feud (Which was fire until the matches) are also a stain. McIntyre I think has been having the best face WWE world title reign since CM Punk, but he's been trapped in this eternal feud with Randy Orton and the Ziggler feud immediately prior was also not must-see TV. 

[polarbearpete]

Nov 20, 2020 7:55:32 GMT -5 Fake Jesus said:

Nov 20, 2020 7:27:39 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

I don't know about all that

I feel like Drew equals or had a better title reign including the stuff with him and Randy. Same with Kofi having a better run sans the way it ended with Lesnar

Mox struggled early without a crowd and hit his stride in the summer once AEW opened up a little more and this recent stuff with Kingston but he's had a good reign.

KK's title reign was a disappointment. The ending with Lesnar automatically tarnishes it to an extent, but the artificially prolonged Ziggler feud and the Orton feud (Which was fire until the matches) are also a stain. McIntyre I think has been having the best face WWE world title reign since CM Punk, but he's been trapped in this eternal feud with Randy Orton and the Ziggler feud immediately prior was also not must-see TV. 

The Ziggler and Lashley feuds for McIntyre were nice one PPV storylines with very good matches and satisfying conclusions. Same with his match with Rollins. Not sure McIntyre had a Hager-quality match during his reign either. That was pretty brutal.

[ronin705]

Him and Drew have been definitive "badass babyfaces" where they can talk, have charisma, but dont have to resort to looney toons talk or plot induced stupidity at any point during their runs.

Even Codys a tier lower, as he constantly flirts with turning heel.

[Dub H]

I would edge Moxley ahead of Drew in the simple fact that I find Moxley a much more interesting character

I think the only "negative"is the lack of a REALLY big and high action,epic,defining feud,not counting vs Jericho as it was before he won.

Eddie Kingston was really close to it but it needed to be a really longer to be that epic feud-defining feud.

[Fake Jesus]

Nov 20, 2020 11:46:19 GMT -5 Dub H said:

I would edge Moxley ahead of Drew in the simple fact that I find Moxley a much more interesting character

I think the only "negative"is the lack of a REALLY big and high action,epic,defining feud,not counting vs Jericho as it was before he won.

Eddie Kingston was really close to it but it needed to be a really longer to be that epic feud-defining feud.

Eh I mean, Mox/Kingston was a six week program with two highly acclaimed world title matches and several world-class promos. I agree that there was a little something keeping it from being an all-time epic program, I don't think it was length though. Honestly? It's probably the lack of full crowds that prevents it tipping over the edge

[dynamitekidd]

It’s been a pretty great run. I hate the crowds missed it though, we would really be seeing just how over the guy is. I know for me his presence has just elevated since coming to AEW. Like Charlie Murphy once said, his aura, you can actually see it, lol.

[ASYLUMHAUSEN]

Nov 20, 2020 5:50:09 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

He's a perfect champion, the ratings and feedback show how much of a draw he is for that very reason. Kingston and him is my world title feud of the year, just beautiful

At this point I wonder when the first transitional title reign for the AEW World title is gonna be, cause if Mox loses it to Kenny, I can see Kenny holding it for months too.

Kenny holds it until whatever All Out 21 looks like....HOPEFULLY in front of a crowd because when Hangman beats him the pop might rival The Gold Standard of Pops (Austin’s entrance through Foley getting the 3 count “that’ll put butts in seats”)

Been saying that for months, still stand by it.

[Fade is a CodyCryBaby]

It’s been a little up and down but I’ve enjoyed the reign and Mox is about as an ideal face champ you’re going to get in 2020. I agree Drew’s been killing it too but he’s still behind Mox.

[moxfan1]

Nov 20, 2020 11:46:19 GMT -5 Dub H said:

I would edge Moxley ahead of Drew in the simple fact that I find Moxley a much more interesting character

I think the only "negative"is the lack of a REALLY big and high action,epic,defining feud,not counting vs Jericho as it was before he won.

Eddie Kingston was really close to it but it needed to be a really longer to be that epic feud-defining feud.

While Drew McIntyre is a good baby face Champ. I don't think he's anywhere as good as Moxley. The thing about Moxley is his character feels much more real. Moxley knows he's the best and very tough to beat. But he also knows his day is gonna come and someone gonna lay him out and take title from him. But don't bet against him that will happen anytime soon.


That's how a real person would think. Or just this past week talking about his father who he wasn't close to. Picking him up from police station when he was troubled youth and saying remember we are the good guys and how that stuck with him. Then slipping in about Renee being pregnant. This is all real things about his life.


Drew feels like typical baby face power house WWE has had over last 25 years. They put him in scripted spots to beat up annoying heels. Then give him cool tough guy lines etc. Don't get me wrong not everyone can pull it off like he has. He's a good talent but feels phony, scripted and stale to me. So it's hard for me to really be that entertained by him. At least not in the same way Moxley is.


Moxley basically got the John Cena push since he's been in AEW. He has to rise to top of the ranks. He had to take out the top guy and his whole group. Along with taking down monsters like Brodie Lee, Brian Cage and Lance Archer. Found away to beat MJF at his own game and beat the friend who turned his back on him in Kingston. With this type of push normally audience in 2020 would turn their back on the guy. But with Moxley he comes off real and cool. Which makes fans get behind him and root for him. We will see what happens on December 2nd with Omega. But based on what they did in this feud so far. I think it will be a big mistake to switch the title there. When it's done it should be done in big way and on ppv.

[Dub H]

Nov 20, 2020 15:30:54 GMT -5 moxfan1 said:

Nov 20, 2020 11:46:19 GMT -5 Dub H said:

I would edge Moxley ahead of Drew in the simple fact that I find Moxley a much more interesting character

I think the only "negative"is the lack of a REALLY big and high action,epic,defining feud,not counting vs Jericho as it was before he won.

Eddie Kingston was really close to it but it needed to be a really longer to be that epic feud-defining feud.

While Drew McIntyre is a good baby face Champ. I don't think he's anywhere as good as Moxley. The thing about Moxley is his character feels much more real. Moxley knows he's the best and very tough to beat. But he also knows his day is gonna come and someone gonna lay him out and take title from him. But don't bet against him that will happen anytime soon.


That's how a real person would think. Or just this past week talking about his father who he wasn't close to. Picking him up from police station when he was troubled youth and saying remember we are the good guys and how that stuck with him. Then slipping in about Renee being pregnant. This is all real things about his life.


Drew feels like typical baby face power house WWE has had over last 25 years. They put him in scripted spots to beat up annoying heels. Then give him cool tough guy lines etc. Don't get me wrong not everyone can pull it off like he has. He's a good talent but feels phony, scripted and stale to me. So it's hard for me to really be that entertained by him. At least not in the same way Moxley is.


Moxley basically got the John Cena push since he's been in AEW. He has to rise to top of the ranks. He had to take out the top guy and his whole group. Along with taking down monsters like Brodie Lee, Brian Cage and Lance Archer. Found away to beat MJF at his own game and beat the friend who turned his back on him in Kingston. With this type of push normally audience in 2020 would turn their back on the guy. But with Moxley he comes off real and cool. Which makes fans get behind him and root for him. We will see what happens on December 2nd with Omega. But based on what they did in this feud so far. I think it will be a big mistake to switch the title there. When it's done it should be done in big way and on ppv.

You pujt it very well

On simple words: Moxley is a real-life character first,an "action" hero second. Drew is Basically an Action Hero

[deezy]

It's been a good run, Like someone said he has been given the Cena / superman push and I think thats one of the reasons why his run rubs me the wrong way. I'd put McIntyre above him, With Kofi and Moxley's reign neck and neck at #2.

The biggest thing that turns me off is he is presented like another Austin where he is nowhere near that. I don't buy his "tough man" act. I see guys such as Kingston, Archer as more believable tough guys than Moxley.

But overall it has been a good run, Its just those 2 things that personally makes me not think too highly of him and his reign.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

If you think Moxley has received a John Cena Superman Push, I recommend you go back and watch Cena's run on top. When Moxley is booked to outwrestle submission wrestlers and make 'extreme' legends tap when he doesn't work either style well, is booked to defeat all comers for years on end in spite of audience reaction... then and only then can you compare the two.

He's been booked strongly, but not as a flawless, invulnerable all conquering hero who's been told not to sell anything.

[kingoftheindies]

Nov 20, 2020 7:27:39 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

I don't know about all that

I feel like Drew equals or had a better title reign including the stuff with him and Randy. Same with Kofi having a better run sans the way it ended with Lesnar

Mox struggled early without a crowd and hit his stride in the summer once AEW opened up a little more and this recent stuff with Kingston but he's had a good reign.

I think Drew is a great champ and has been the best booked baby face champ by the WWE in a long time. I think the list if challengers overall aren't as good as what Mox has had but I think the Orton program may be a better feud than any Mox has had in terms of longevity and juice

[Bang Bang Bart]

Nov 20, 2020 15:34:03 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Nov 20, 2020 15:30:54 GMT -5 moxfan1 said:

While Drew McIntyre is a good baby face Champ. I don't think he's anywhere as good as Moxley. The thing about Moxley is his character feels much more real. Moxley knows he's the best and very tough to beat. But he also knows his day is gonna come and someone gonna lay him out and take title from him. But don't bet against him that will happen anytime soon.


That's how a real person would think. Or just this past week talking about his father who he wasn't close to. Picking him up from police station when he was troubled youth and saying remember we are the good guys and how that stuck with him. Then slipping in about Renee being pregnant. This is all real things about his life.


Drew feels like typical baby face power house WWE has had over last 25 years. They put him in scripted spots to beat up annoying heels. Then give him cool tough guy lines etc. Don't get me wrong not everyone can pull it off like he has. He's a good talent but feels phony, scripted and stale to me. So it's hard for me to really be that entertained by him. At least not in the same way Moxley is.


Moxley basically got the John Cena push since he's been in AEW. He has to rise to top of the ranks. He had to take out the top guy and his whole group. Along with taking down monsters like Brodie Lee, Brian Cage and Lance Archer. Found away to beat MJF at his own game and beat the friend who turned his back on him in Kingston. With this type of push normally audience in 2020 would turn their back on the guy. But with Moxley he comes off real and cool. Which makes fans get behind him and root for him. We will see what happens on December 2nd with Omega. But based on what they did in this feud so far. I think it will be a big mistake to switch the title there. When it's done it should be done in big way and on ppv.

You pujt it very well

On simple words: Moxley is a real-life character first,an "action" hero second. Drew is Basically an Action Hero

Drew McIntyre is basically Arnold Schwarzenegger in “Commando” and countless other movies. Nigh-unstoppable action hero who destroys every evil force in his way.

Jon Moxley is John McClane from Die Hard. Gets f***ed up a lot, but still finds a way to come out on top.

[Cyno]

Moxley's the most I've enjoyed a face world championship run in the US since Punk's major run at the top with the WWE Championship. The Hager match was a dud, but everything else has been good, if not great. It's also nice having a long-term face champion where the crowd doesn't get sick of him and turns on him (though I think Drew McIntyre would've been able to also get that if WWE had crowds, as from what it sounds like WWE actually booked a face champion well for once). Think he and Kenny are going to knock it out of the park.