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Post by Legion on Nov 21, 2020 20:54:09 GMT -5
They dont need anyone. They need to avoid falling in to that Impact trap of just hiring anyone WWE releases. They dont need big names, they need to make their own names. Dragon Lee and RUSH aren't exactly "Household Names" despite having a sting on ROH. So I think they'd be a fine signing AEW's for sure making their own names, but the better wrestlers you sign with great track records of work rate they could nab, the better that talent will also develop. Isn't that literally what Vince is hammered for? You can sign as many people as you want, but if you dont have time for them, you've hired people to give them one TV match a month. AEW has a great roster already, they need to work on who they have for a bit, IMO anyway.
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Post by moxfan1 on Nov 21, 2020 23:06:39 GMT -5
Daveyboy Smith Jr contract is up soon with MLW and Pillman Jrs not to long after. Zicky Dice would be a good pick up once he’s done with NWA Swerve they sign the Rascals Ethan Page contract with Impact is expiring. So is Taya Valkyrie soon. Maybe Tony talking about adding a woman?
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Post by moxfan1 on Nov 21, 2020 23:09:34 GMT -5
Dragon Lee and RUSH aren't exactly "Household Names" despite having a sting on ROH. So I think they'd be a fine signing AEW's for sure making their own names, but the better wrestlers you sign with great track records of work rate they could nab, the better that talent will also develop. Isn't that literally what Vince is hammered for? You can sign as many people as you want, but if you dont have time for them, you've hired people to give them one TV match a month. AEW has a great roster already, they need to work on who they have for a bit, IMO anyway. Tony does have another tv show starting next year. Plus some of the lesser talent that's been with the company since 2019 deals with expire or they will get released at some point. There's nothing wrong with adding talent. But yes you shouldn't just hoard it and have people sit at home.
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Post by moxfan1 on Nov 21, 2020 23:38:50 GMT -5
They dont need anyone. They need to avoid falling in to that Impact trap of just hiring anyone WWE releases. They dont need big names, they need to make their own names. So far they have avoided that trap with only guy WWE who was released signed was Miro. There's nothing wrong with adding big names. If they added Brock Lesnar or CM Punk there will be nice buzz for AEW. Heck even Sting or Kurt Angle in special attraction matches could draw little more interest. Ryback unfortunately nobody cares about anymore. So he wouldn't do anything. My point is big names helps you create new stars. Like let's say Brock Lesnar came in and had a feud with Jon Moxley. If Jon Moxley won that feud it would make him bigger star. If CM Punk came in and had long feud with Cody or Omega and put those guys over. Well then it would make Cody or Omega bigger stars. TNA problem was whatever ex WWE or WCW talent was always superior to TNA talent. Whatever big name they added would go right to the top in TNA. While guys like AJ and Joe etc would get push down the card. With it being until almost 2012 before they did stuff like put title on James Storm, Robert Roode and Austin Aries. The problem was never top talent they added tho. It was making that talent the stars. Instead or creating their own stars based off that talent status. Look at Vader in 1996 for example. He was top guy in WCW a year or two before. Vince brought Vader in but he didn't make him his top star. He used him to put over Shawn Michaels and others. Heck look at Big Show in 1999. He came in and lost to Stone Cold and Mankind in his few months with the company. Yes by end of 1999 they put title on him. No outside talent should just join a company and be top guy right away. TNA did that with Angle, Foley, RVD, Jeff Hardy and Mr. Anderson between 2007 and 2011. With only Joe in 2008 and AJ in 2010 getting title runs and after both guys lost they got pushed down the card for years. Yes if you want to make that talent you bring in your own over time and make them top guys at some point like WWE did with Big Show and Jericho. Well that's fine. But it wasn't until about 2012 until TNA tried putting new talent first. And even those guys felt overshadowed by Hogan/bischoff being authority figures. So far AEW has shown no signs of doing this and guys who all appeared on the first show(with Darby appearing on 2nd show). Are the most pushed guys and who AEW builds the show around. Not the talent they added in 2020. So I wouldn't be afraid of making TNA mistakes in AEW. Because so far that hasn't been the case at all.
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Post by Perd on Nov 22, 2020 1:18:10 GMT -5
He’s hiring George R.R. Martin as head booker. You thought the Rhodes brother were close now...
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Post by romanstylesiii on Nov 22, 2020 1:31:12 GMT -5
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Nov 22, 2020 1:46:23 GMT -5
Grapefruit Bonaduce?
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Post by Dub H on Nov 22, 2020 1:47:54 GMT -5
He’s hiring George R.R. Martin as head booker. You thought the Rhodes brother were close now... 5 years later "dont worry, the second show is coming REALLY soon!"
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Post by jimmycon on Nov 22, 2020 3:34:25 GMT -5
I wonder if he is talking about Rush and Dragon Lee(their ROH contracts are expiring next month), free agents are also Authors of Pain, Rowan, James Storm, Eli Drake. None of those names would be considered big names. CM Punk, Brock Lesnar, Sting, Kurt Angle and maybe Ryback would be big names. That’s your interpretation but Tony Khan would definitely consider those people to be big names.
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Post by moxfan1 on Nov 22, 2020 12:28:46 GMT -5
None of those names would be considered big names. CM Punk, Brock Lesnar, Sting, Kurt Angle and maybe Ryback would be big names. That’s your interpretation but Tony Khan would definitely consider those people to be big names. If he does that's the issue with him over hyping stuff. Again he didn't hype up Lance Archer or Brian Cage debuts. So if he's going to do ones at that level. Then he shouldn't be doing it. Unless the person is going to wow people and be a top guy. Not more guys who will fit in their mid card once they lose to Mox or Cody. Only big names that would make difference is Punk, Lesnar or Sting and Maybe Kurt Angle. Since if any of those guys had matches in AEW it would be big deal. Anyone else is just roster depth which they already have plenty of. I'm not saying whoever they add can't some day be big deal. But it would take 6 months to year plus to build them up. While Moxley/Lesnar, Punk/Cody, Angle/Omega type feuds/matches would create buzz for the company. So if Tony wanted to say I'm looking to improve roster and adding depth. Saying he's talking to some free agents to make that happen. Cool but when he says big names people minds think Lesnar or Punk or Sting or Angle. Not James Storm, Rush,Dragon Lee Ryback, Eli Drake AOP etc. Nobody really knows then besides Storm from TNA days 10 years ago and Ryback from like 5 years ago. Where both guys where looked at as mid to upper card acts or tag team guys and not stars.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 22, 2020 14:39:17 GMT -5
Keep Lesnar far, far away from AEW. He'd bring all his toxicity with him that made his latest WWE runs such a chore to go through. Angle and Sting are also not in any condition to wrestle anymore and would be in Tully or Taz-style managerial roles. Punk is... well, I don't know what Punk even wants to do with his life anymore except troll idiots on social media.
RUSH and Dragon Lee are two of the biggest names not in WWE or AEW. They'd be much bigger deals than any of the others being used as examples of "big names," especially since they're in the primes of their careers.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 22, 2020 16:28:04 GMT -5
Dragon Lee and RUSH aren't exactly "Household Names" despite having a sting on ROH. So I think they'd be a fine signing AEW's for sure making their own names, but the better wrestlers you sign with great track records of work rate they could nab, the better that talent will also develop. Isn't that literally what Vince is hammered for? You can sign as many people as you want, but if you dont have time for them, you've hired people to give them one TV match a month. AEW has a great roster already, they need to work on who they have for a bit, IMO anyway. No, Vince is hammered for the way WWE seemingly signs people it has no real interest in using and then holds them in NXT for a while, doubly so in recent years as a means of keeping people out of the competition's hands, including vast swaths of the UK indie scene who are never going anywhere or moving up in WWE at all. That isn't really the good faith hiring of free agents into a roster that doesn't have the space to utilize them. There's something to be discussed in the idea that AEW needs to slow its roll, but it's absolutely not the thing that people criticize WWE's hiring practices for at all.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 22, 2020 16:31:35 GMT -5
Isn't that literally what Vince is hammered for? You can sign as many people as you want, but if you dont have time for them, you've hired people to give them one TV match a month. AEW has a great roster already, they need to work on who they have for a bit, IMO anyway. No, Vince is hammered for the way WWE seemingly signs people it has no real interest in using and then holds them in NXT for a while, doubly so in recent years as a means of keeping people out of the competition's hands, including vast swaths of the UK indie scene who are never going anywhere or moving up in WWE at all. That isn't really the good faith hiring of free agents into a roster that doesn't have the space to utilize them. There's something to be discussed in the idea that AEW needs to slow its roll, but it's absolutely not the thing that people criticize WWE's hiring practices for at all. In fact the only person that has asked for their release so far has gotten it straight way. No holding up bullshit.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 22, 2020 16:39:12 GMT -5
I think it's important to point out that this was an interview. He probably got asked "So Tony, what do you have planned for AEW for 2021?" Of course he's going to talk about having big plans and bringing in new names. That's what any promotor would do. It's not like he went on TNT and said we have the next Hulk Hogan.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 22, 2020 18:05:37 GMT -5
Most of these free agents being named seem pretty below par for what AEW already has.
They've got a bunch of people that already aren't being featured. We don't need new debuts all the damn time.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 22, 2020 18:10:27 GMT -5
Most of these free agents being named seem pretty below par for what AEW already has. They've got a bunch of people that already aren't being featured. We don't need new debuts all the damn time. Their roster is pretty fine as it is AEW has had a problem of signing new people, making them the biggest deal for a month and then watching them fade into the background as another act Archer has just been there since he came in feuding with Cody tho they may finally start using him regularly again
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 22, 2020 18:14:52 GMT -5
Most of these free agents being named seem pretty below par for what AEW already has. They've got a bunch of people that already aren't being featured. We don't need new debuts all the damn time. Their roster is pretty fine as it is AEW has had a problem of signing new people, making them the biggest deal for a month and then watching them fade into the background as another act Archer has just been there since he came in feuding with Cody tho they may finally start using him regularly again Also let's be blunt here, if he is talking to a 'big star' then it probably isn't a female wrestler, because almost no female big stars aren't locked down, which would mean yet another male to debut, be really hot for a bit, and then disappear from TV, all while a bunch of women are stuck on Dark.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 22, 2020 18:18:36 GMT -5
Their roster is pretty fine as it is AEW has had a problem of signing new people, making them the biggest deal for a month and then watching them fade into the background as another act Archer has just been there since he came in feuding with Cody tho they may finally start using him regularly again Also let's be blunt here, if he is talking to a 'big star' then it probably isn't a female wrestler, because almost no female big stars aren't locked down, which would mean yet another male to debut, be really hot for a bit, and then disappear from TV, all while a bunch of women are stuck on Dark. The women thing will be a problem for a good long while. Taya I think her time is coming up soon but considering her husband is back in WWE, I can see her wanting to be there and no doubt HHH would love to have her in NXT They really don't need another male star. Yes, you need talent for another show but when you are talking big names, that's for your main show Dynamite. They have enough bodies to include for a 2nd Thunder like show and at this point talent isn't the problem from the male side
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 22, 2020 19:05:31 GMT -5
Their roster is pretty fine as it is AEW has had a problem of signing new people, making them the biggest deal for a month and then watching them fade into the background as another act Archer has just been there since he came in feuding with Cody tho they may finally start using him regularly again Also let's be blunt here, if he is talking to a 'big star' then it probably isn't a female wrestler, because almost no female big stars aren't locked down, which would mean yet another male to debut, be really hot for a bit, and then disappear from TV, all while a bunch of women are stuck on Dark. I'd say that, women-wise, Zelina Vega would probably fit - she's certainly a bigger name than Rush and Dragon Lee, who I do think are realistic options. In terms of women who are not locked down, the only ones that I could maybe, possibly, sort of see as big names are LuFisto, Cheerleader Melissa, Nicole Matthews, and Nicole Savoy. For all that I strongly feel that they should sign LuFisto (and feel like she'd have been signed a year ago if she were a man with the same resume), she hasn't been relevant for about a decade; Melissa I don't have as much of a read on, but she seems like even more of a stretch; Matthews and Savoy are legends to Shimmer and similar indies but not really known generally, Matthews is locked out of the US for a few more years, and Savoy's already appeared for AEW without any hype so it doesn't look like she qualifies even by the standards of the Tony Khan hype machine. And let's be real, the U-word is potentially going to keep Zelina out of AEW. So - yeah, that leaves little in the way of women who would actually merit even this level of (probably exaggerated) hype.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 22, 2020 19:17:44 GMT -5
I think it's important to point out that this was an interview. He probably got asked "So Tony, what do you have planned for AEW for 2021?" Of course he's going to talk about having big plans and bringing in new names. That's what any promotor would do. It's not like he went on TNT and said we have the next Hulk Hogan. Yeah, this read as fluff to me, might be true, might not be but MEH. They don’t need anyone but additions wouldn’t hurt. The only one I’m dodgy about is Punk. I really, really, really don’t want him in AEW. At least not in the foreseeable future.
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