J. Hova
Don Corleone
Emotionally exhausted and morally bankrupt
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Post by J. Hova on Nov 29, 2020 4:03:20 GMT -5
It's funny, I've been watching some late 80s and early 90s WWE lately and you can see some botched counts or just random restarts. I think maybe some of that is that they didn't have a set ref crew (I'm speculating here, I just don't remember the usuals like Earl, Chioda, Tim White, etc.). There was one during Survivor Series 90 where the ref is counting Dibiase and Bret out, gets to about 4, leans out and yells at them, and starts over at 1. It just caught me off guard when I saw that a few days ago, and I've been watching for stuff like that ever since.
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Post by darbus alan on Nov 29, 2020 15:22:56 GMT -5
Being stricter about 10-counts is a relatively recent thing in WWE-land. Didn't really become so by-the-book until the '10's.
Ironically, it was done in order to present itself as more "sports-like," even though officials in a lot of sports are so reliant on judgement calls for just about everything.
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Cranjis McBasketball
Crow T. Robot
Knew what the hell that thing was supposed to be
Peace Love and Nothing But
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 29, 2020 19:43:37 GMT -5
There's a difference between someone not kicking out and people not getting in the ring for a ten count. As a promoter, if someone doesn't kick out in time and the ref just stops i'm pissed, that looks stupid and ruins the entire premise of your event. That's where a referee is so important though, checking the wrestler after EVERY move to make sure they've not been knocked silly and will miss the count. A ten count, much like throwing someone into stairs or whatever, is a ref's discretion in kayfabe. You get to 9 and they're still f***ing about outside? Then go out and tell them to get back in or you'll count them out. That looks legit while also reminding the wrestlers. Now of course, if they are told to just count in their earpiece then it's not their fault. This all makes sense and, again, comes down really to how much the promotions trusts their officials to make the decisions if need be. Again, if your referee counts both teams out when one was supposed to come back in, own that. Plan around it. If you immediately discredit what happened, you’re making the official look bad and you put a spotlight right on that mistake. It makes everyone look dumb. I forget which Survivor Series, maybe when Sting came back? I think Rusev was in the main event. They were outside for a legit 5 minutes...then clear as bell the ref says something like “2!!!!” f*** off.
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