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Post by eJm on Dec 9, 2020 9:31:28 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKJAwYFqm0EBrian Zane takes a look at how the 6 people called up from NXT have done since their 2018 announcement and there's even an appearance by one of them (Spoilers: It's the one not there anymore)!
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Post by fw91 on Dec 9, 2020 9:41:34 GMT -5
I mean It kind of pleases me that Otis is the most successful and over, but yeah...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 9:59:15 GMT -5
I remember Nikki getting over with her crazy shtick and the "Let Nikki play" stuff only for them to not do anything at all with her until the team with Alexa (which I loved)
And even after the rough start to her main roster run and feud with Becky, I thought they had something with face Lacey... until they kept having her lose to Bayley and Sasha.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 9, 2020 10:06:04 GMT -5
Lacey should be in a better spot, but they have had absolutely no idea how to book her correctly as either a heel or face
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Post by mistery on Dec 9, 2020 10:27:42 GMT -5
Lacey should be in a better spot, but they have had absolutely no idea how to book her correctly as either a heel or face I wouldn't go that far. She got pushed pretty damn heavily somewhat early on her main roster career. Her first feud was with Becky Lynch right after WM last year. The problem is that feud sucked mainly because Lacey was botching everything left or right, on top of having one of the worst main roster women's matches of the past 5 years with Charlotte, to the point of where the audience was chanting for the match to end. Because it was offensively bad. I think she would be fine in a lower midcard role, but she's not some incredibly mishandled talent either. She shouldn't be on top of the division at all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 10:30:41 GMT -5
Lacey's matches with Becky were never a problem IMO, they had pretty decent chemistry. It's just nobody bought her against Super Becky and yet they had it go, what, 3 months?
Lacey's a much better wrestler than she's given credit for, even though the match with Charlotte was indeed AWFUL.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 9, 2020 10:58:12 GMT -5
Lacey should be in a better spot, but they have had absolutely no idea how to book her correctly as either a heel or face I wouldn't go that far. She got pushed pretty damn heavily somewhat early on her main roster career. Her first feud was with Becky Lynch right after WM last year. The problem is that feud sucked mainly because Lacey was botching everything left or right, on top of having one of the worst main roster women's matches of the past 5 years with Charlotte, to the point of where the audience was chanting for the match to end. Because it was offensively bad. I think she would be fine in a lower midcard role, but she's not some incredibly mishandled talent either. She shouldn't be on top of the division at all. Her feud with Becky sucked because a) Even the markiest of marks knew she wasn't unseating Becky at that point and b) they aligned her with known ratings/heat poison Baron Corbin in a mix tag feud against Becky/Seth that was there to put them over as supercouple. Her face run is where they really screwed her though. She was getting over as the badass Marine Mom only to look like an ass at the hands of Sasha/Bayley and then proceed to lose to Bayley a ton. By no means am I suggesting she should be the top of the division. I just don't think she should be floating around aimlessly either. She should be a credible threat to whoever the babyface chaser is for the title or as an opponent on a B ppv
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 11:10:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't go that far. She got pushed pretty damn heavily somewhat early on her main roster career. Her first feud was with Becky Lynch right after WM last year. The problem is that feud sucked mainly because Lacey was botching everything left or right, on top of having one of the worst main roster women's matches of the past 5 years with Charlotte, to the point of where the audience was chanting for the match to end. Because it was offensively bad. I think she would be fine in a lower midcard role, but she's not some incredibly mishandled talent either. She shouldn't be on top of the division at all. Her feud with Becky sucked because a) Even the markiest of marks knew she wasn't unseating Becky at that point and b) they aligned her with known ratings/heat poison Baron Corbin in a mix tag feud against Becky/Seth that was there to put them over as supercouple. Her face run is where they really screwed her though. She was getting over as the badass Marine Mom only to look like an ass at the hands of Sasha/Bayley and then proceed to lose to Bayley a ton. By no means am I suggesting she should be the top of the division. I just don't think she should be floating around aimlessly either. She should be a credible threat to whoever the babyface chaser is for the title or as an opponent on a B ppv I thought they made a mistake playing up the "Sassy Southern Belle" stuff instead of her military background when she was a face. The southern stuff is only ever going to be over down south, while people in all parts of the country respect the military whatever your own personal thoughts on the US military are.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 9, 2020 11:14:50 GMT -5
Her feud with Becky sucked because a) Even the markiest of marks knew she wasn't unseating Becky at that point and b) they aligned her with known ratings/heat poison Baron Corbin in a mix tag feud against Becky/Seth that was there to put them over as supercouple. Her face run is where they really screwed her though. She was getting over as the badass Marine Mom only to look like an ass at the hands of Sasha/Bayley and then proceed to lose to Bayley a ton. By no means am I suggesting she should be the top of the division. I just don't think she should be floating around aimlessly either. She should be a credible threat to whoever the babyface chaser is for the title or as an opponent on a B ppv I thought they made a mistake playing up the "Sassy Southern Belle" stuff instead of her military background when she was a face. The southern stuff is only ever going to be over down south, while people in all parts of the country respect the military whatever your own personal thoughts on the US military are. Right. The Southern Belle thing would work great exclusively as a heel if they did it right. But once the Becky stuff was done, they hadn't a clue what to do with her. Booking 101 says she should have beaten Bayley for the title, even if for only a brief run before dropping it back. Having her lose repeatedly while being mocked by Bayley/Sasha as a failure to her daughter made her look like a f***ing loser. Fans were never going to take her seriously after, but giving her a big basket of nothing to do after the feud sure didn't help
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Post by Shark on Dec 9, 2020 16:41:08 GMT -5
Lacey should be in a better spot, but they have had absolutely no idea how to book her correctly as either a heel or face I wouldn't go that far. She got pushed pretty damn heavily somewhat early on her main roster career. Her first feud was with Becky Lynch right after WM last year. The problem is that feud sucked mainly because Lacey was botching everything left or right, on top of having one of the worst main roster women's matches of the past 5 years with Charlotte, to the point of where the audience was chanting for the match to end. Because it was offensively bad. I think she would be fine in a lower midcard role, but she's not some incredibly mishandled talent either. She shouldn't be on top of the division at all. I really don't think Lacey is very good at all. I've never been impressed at all with her in the ring or on the mic.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Dec 9, 2020 17:04:53 GMT -5
He brings up an interesting point: Nikki and Alexa split up as a team because Alexa was the crazy one.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 9, 2020 17:18:35 GMT -5
I thought they made a mistake playing up the "Sassy Southern Belle" stuff instead of her military background when she was a face. The southern stuff is only ever going to be over down south, while people in all parts of the country respect the military whatever your own personal thoughts on the US military are. Right. The Southern Belle thing would work great exclusively as a heel if they did it right. But once the Becky stuff was done, they hadn't a clue what to do with her. Booking 101 says she should have beaten Bayley for the title, even if for only a brief run before dropping it back. Having her lose repeatedly while being mocked by Bayley/Sasha as a failure to her daughter made her look like a f***ing loser. Fans were never going to take her seriously after, but giving her a big basket of nothing to do after the feud sure didn't help I mean I even get the Throwback southern belle thing vs. Becky's THE MAN stuff made sense... but they did it in such a terrible way...
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Post by eJm on Dec 9, 2020 17:23:09 GMT -5
Something I'm surprised Brian didn't point out was that part way through them hyping the NXT 6, there was one Raw where HHH came out and said "We're debuting four new NXT guys tonight" and they were, like, the top four guys in the brand at the time which pretty much took the wind entirely out of the NXT 6's sails.
It was sort of like going "We're promoting these 6 specifically but we're also calling up these other 4 you actually care about so f*** that".
And then they practically got no reaction because, yeah, of course they did, you gave barely any time to promoting them.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 9, 2020 17:40:16 GMT -5
Something I'm surprised Brian didn't point out was that part way through them hyping the NXT 6, there was one Raw where HHH came out and said "We're debuting four new NXT guys tonight" and they were, like, the top four guys in the brand at the time which pretty much took the wind entirely out of the NXT 6's sails. It was sort of like going "We're promoting these 6 specifically but we're also calling up these other 4 you actually care about so f*** that". And then they practically got no reaction because, yeah, of course they did, you gave barely any time to promoting them. Didn't Ciampa end up getting hurt because of this little stunt, which led to him having to vacate the NXT Title and pull out of TakeOver NY?
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Post by eJm on Dec 9, 2020 17:43:16 GMT -5
Something I'm surprised Brian didn't point out was that part way through them hyping the NXT 6, there was one Raw where HHH came out and said "We're debuting four new NXT guys tonight" and they were, like, the top four guys in the brand at the time which pretty much took the wind entirely out of the NXT 6's sails. It was sort of like going "We're promoting these 6 specifically but we're also calling up these other 4 you actually care about so f*** that". And then they practically got no reaction because, yeah, of course they did, you gave barely any time to promoting them. Didn't Ciampa end up getting hurt because of this little stunt, which led to him having to vacate the NXT Title and pull out of TakeOver NY? Yup.
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 9, 2020 18:53:44 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}EC3 is everywhere.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Dec 9, 2020 19:17:12 GMT -5
When I hear "NXT 6", I think Zayn, Neville, Breeze, Itami, Balor, some version of Kidd or Owens. You know, the guys who put NXT on the map. Wasn't aware that was now a marketing term for erm, Otis and Lacey Evans
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 9, 2020 19:40:49 GMT -5
Another good video by Zane, the man don’t miss.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Dec 10, 2020 18:47:48 GMT -5
Lacey has such a clear, ready to go face backstory and they can’t figure out how to use it.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 10, 2020 18:55:07 GMT -5
Another good video by Zane, the man don’t miss. I don’t like his collaboration videos. The other guy is always, terrible is too kind a word..... BZ is awesome. Always fall down a hole watching his vids.
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