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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 26, 2020 3:58:03 GMT -5
I seriously can't believe the same dude who called matches which involved the likes of a magical dead lightening conjuring Mortician/Biker, has this much of a twisted ass when it comes to "The believability of wrestling when it comes to outside dives"
Like dude, at this point, for someone who says "I'm not mad at anyone", you're sure ranting about this topic for a long time when nobody f***ing asked in the first place...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 4:20:51 GMT -5
AEW seems to have a serious problem with just letting people who were big in WWE do whatever the hell they want. When you combine this stupid drama with all of the tasteless shit he's said on commentary with no consequences, combined with them apparently backing him up judging by the shouting thing, plus all the Jericho shit, it really seems like AEW just has an attitude that if you're a name talent you're right in everything you do.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 26, 2020 6:18:04 GMT -5
AEW seems to have a serious problem with just letting people who were big in WWE do whatever the hell they want. When you combine this stupid drama with all of the tasteless shit he's said on commentary with no consequences, combined with them apparently backing him up judging by the shouting thing, plus all the Jericho shit, it really seems like AEW just has an attitude that if you're a name talent you're right in everything you do. I don't think it's a WWE thing, I think it's a JR himself thing, he's been everywhere, he's seen and done a lot in the business, and is regarded for better or worse as a legend in said business. That comes with people either sticking up for you or people afraid to confront you. Like look what happened to Cutler online when he simply joked about it. It's just a toxic mentality in general, respecting JR has nothing to do with if stuff he said is just plain wrong. It's like people said earlier in this thread, it's a large reason the newer generations tune out the old guard more and more. There's a difference between constructive criticism and being a crumudgeon and JR crosses that line too much. He's now had two giant rants on this dive thing and given absolutely no feedback as to how to do it better, WHICH SHOULD BE THE ENTIRE POINT, and sadly it sure as hell hasn't been.
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 26, 2020 7:44:09 GMT -5
The dives actually felt a lot more logical this week, no waiting around awkwardly when they're hit quickly.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 26, 2020 7:47:49 GMT -5
The dives actually felt a lot more logical this week, no waiting around awkwardly when they're hit quickly. I'm not a fan of how JR went about it, but if it constructively changes up the formula a bit then it's cool It was never really about JR's point, it was how he delivered it, even more so how he continues to talk about it on his Podcast. These dudes come off so angry and bitter all the time that their point gets lost, and they never themselves pose the "How to fix", instead they just say "It's broken and it's bad". Which does nothing but cause these drama threads.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 26, 2020 15:23:03 GMT -5
Gonna make what might be a hot take here. The Khans are billionaires. If someone had a career ending injury on their watch, they'd be capable of paying the person to do a backstage job. As for skillset, there's such a thing as "training".
Hell, reality is, the Khans could afford to pay the person to just sit at home on their ass. That would never happen, but they could.
Basically what I'm saying is, while I understand why this would be a concern, ideally it shouldn't be. Wrestlers should be confident in their job security even if they have a career ending injury.
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 26, 2020 17:05:03 GMT -5
AEW seems to have a serious problem with just letting people who were big in WWE do whatever the hell they want. When you combine this stupid drama with all of the tasteless shit he's said on commentary with no consequences, combined with them apparently backing him up judging by the shouting thing, plus all the Jericho shit, it really seems like AEW just has an attitude that if you're a name talent you're right in everything you do. This is true in any wrestling company to be fair. Look at the speaking out movement and how much BS was tolerated.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 17:05:04 GMT -5
The dives actually felt a lot more logical this week, no waiting around awkwardly when they're hit quickly. I'm not a fan of how JR went about it, but if it constructively changes up the formula a bit then it's cool It was never really about JR's point, it was how he delivered it, even more so how he continues to talk about it on his Podcast. These dudes come off so angry and bitter all the time that their point gets lost, and they never themselves pose the "How to fix", instead they just say "It's broken and it's bad". Which does nothing but cause these drama threads. Exactly. If he'd just said something like "Today's talent can do things we never dreamed of in the 80's, but they need to slow it down a little bit. Lessen the dives so they look even more special when you hurl your body 10 feet or so in the air, and it looks like you're really doing a high risk maneuver", then no one would have bat an eye and this thread probably wouldn't exist. Plenty of other "old-timers" know how to phrase it just like that, and it's an effective form of communication that one would hope could allow for more "teach, instead of preach" out of the old-school guys. I really do think they have a lot to offer the younger generation in terms of psychology, match finishes, learning to do more with less, etc., but nobody wants to listen to a grouchy old man telling you everything you do is stupid.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 26, 2020 19:11:19 GMT -5
Aladdin set that genie free decades ago.
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Post by eJm on Dec 26, 2020 19:29:05 GMT -5
This needs to be said again;
It does not matter if you agree with JR, you disagree with JR, whatever your stance is.
Why. Is. He. Making. This. Public?
It makes him look bad and it makes the company not look great for letting an employee (because I’m pretty sure he’s not an independent contractor for his role) speak out like this about the product he is representing as a voice. It does nothing except make the product look lesser or at least put out tension that might barely even be there.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 27, 2020 2:55:18 GMT -5
This needs to be said again; It does not matter if you agree with JR, you disagree with JR, whatever your stance is. Why. Is. He. Making. This. Public? It makes him look bad and it makes the company not look great for letting an employee (because I’m pretty sure he’s not an independent contractor for his role) speak out like this about the product he is representing as a voice. It does nothing except make the product look lesser or at least put out tension that might barely even be there. He has a weekly vent. Carnies gonna carny.
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Post by eJm on Dec 27, 2020 5:05:48 GMT -5
This needs to be said again; It does not matter if you agree with JR, you disagree with JR, whatever your stance is. Why. Is. He. Making. This. Public? It makes him look bad and it makes the company not look great for letting an employee (because I’m pretty sure he’s not an independent contractor for his role) speak out like this about the product he is representing as a voice. It does nothing except make the product look lesser or at least put out tension that might barely even be there. He has a weekly vent. Carnies gonna carny. Hey, I get it, but again, if any one of us had a weekly vent about our job on a podcast when it was easily accessible about our colleagues, we’d be instead doing rants on our podcast about how much of a joke the unemployment benefit system is.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 27, 2020 8:24:15 GMT -5
This needs to be said again; It does not matter if you agree with JR, you disagree with JR, whatever your stance is. Why. Is. He. Making. This. Public? It makes him look bad and it makes the company not look great for letting an employee (because I’m pretty sure he’s not an independent contractor for his role) speak out like this about the product he is representing as a voice. It does nothing except make the product look lesser or at least put out tension that might barely even be there. It is a Catch 22 TK doesn't want to "shut down" Ross and make it seem like he's limiting Ross in a Vince like way. Except, as the boss you must make the tough decisions. Shitting on your colleagues on your weekly podcast is unacceptable. That's the shit that gets you fired or ostracized elsewhere JR is inviting disrespect and can't be mad if a wrestler tells him to f*** off. Whether I listen or not, you just going to complain on your podcast anyway so i'm going to give you something to talk about. He can't expect anyone to have any type of respect for him and he'd be a real f***ing hypocrite if someone told him off and he runs to TK or Cody about it
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Post by eJm on Dec 27, 2020 8:44:59 GMT -5
This needs to be said again; It does not matter if you agree with JR, you disagree with JR, whatever your stance is. Why. Is. He. Making. This. Public? It makes him look bad and it makes the company not look great for letting an employee (because I’m pretty sure he’s not an independent contractor for his role) speak out like this about the product he is representing as a voice. It does nothing except make the product look lesser or at least put out tension that might barely even be there. It is a Catch 22 TK doesn't want to "shut down" Ross and make it seem like he's limiting Ross in a Vince like way. Except, as the boss you must make the tough decisions. Shitting on your colleagues on your weekly podcast is unacceptable. That's the shit that gets you fired or ostracized elsewhere JR is inviting disrespect and can't be mad if a wrestler tells him to f*** off. Whether I listen or not, you just going to complain on your podcast anyway so i'm going to give you something to talk about. He can't expect anyone to have any type of respect for him and he'd be a real f***ing hypocrite if someone told him off and he runs to TK or Cody about it Yeah, it’s sort of how some people reacted to Brandon Cutler jokingly tweeting about his match (before he was unfortunately pulled out not for his own reasoning) and it was like “Well, what did you expect to happen?” Like, I don’t justify it but I can’t blame the guy when the criticism is coming publicly. And then JR still said something and it’s like “What did YOU expect would happen?”
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 27, 2020 8:52:45 GMT -5
It is a Catch 22 TK doesn't want to "shut down" Ross and make it seem like he's limiting Ross in a Vince like way. Except, as the boss you must make the tough decisions. Shitting on your colleagues on your weekly podcast is unacceptable. That's the shit that gets you fired or ostracized elsewhere JR is inviting disrespect and can't be mad if a wrestler tells him to f*** off. Whether I listen or not, you just going to complain on your podcast anyway so i'm going to give you something to talk about. He can't expect anyone to have any type of respect for him and he'd be a real f***ing hypocrite if someone told him off and he runs to TK or Cody about it Yeah, it’s sort of how some people reacted to Brandon Cutler jokingly tweeting about his match (before he was unfortunately pulled out not for his own reasoning) and it was like “Well, what did you expect to happen?” Like, I don’t justify it but I can’t blame the guy when the criticism is coming publicly. And then JR still said something and it’s like “What did YOU expect would happen?” I think what Cutler did was childish but fair JR makes himself an easy target and it isn't going to get better. TK and Cody got themselves a dilemma. Either you shut this down with Ross or you risk locker room start feeling some type of way if you say something to talent
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 27, 2020 9:21:31 GMT -5
Hell, Shawn Michaels used the superkick as a transitional move when he was in the Rockers and early on solo. It wasn't a superkick then, just a crescent kick.
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