When the second in command is better than the main villain

[Wardlow on Wardlow 54]

Two pages in and nobody said Bob to The Joker??

Serious Batman-related answers:

Harley to Joker in TAS
Butch to both Fish and Oswald, and Tabitha to Barbara in Gotham

(I consider Butch and Tabitha a tandem pair, same with Tabitha and Selina. And Ed was better than Grundy.)

[darthobiwan]

In regards to Star Wars, Palpatine is the true villian for the entire Skywalker saga. He is a very interesting character in his own right, and while he does not have the physically intermediating presence like a Darth Vader or even a Darth Maul, he is very strong in the force and very manipulative to getting what he wants (he not only turned Anakin towards dark side, indirectly leading him to "kill his wife, he also convinced an entire galaxy he was good and they WILlINGLY gave him absolute power)!

With that said Vader is still the one that steals the show, and when people think of Sith or dark side he is the first that comes to mind (despite what happened in Return of the Jedi).

For the Sequels while Palpatine was thr true main villian again, Snoke was the physical villian at least for the first half. However Snoke IMO is by far the worst developed and least interesting Sith/Star Wars villian from the movies or any of the shows! I do not see him being super manipulative, all powerful, and no physical commanding presence. I believe Kylo Ren gets a bad rep as he was powerful and interesting in his own way.

[Tyrannosaurus Sex]

I couldn’t tell you the name or appearance of the big bad in Darkman without having to look it up, but Robert Durant was so much better and more of a personal villain that they just made him the villain of the sequel.

[Sephiroth]

Dec 14, 2020 8:33:04 GMT -5 darthobiwan said:

In regards to Star Wars, Palpatine is the true villian for the entire Skywalker saga. He is a very interesting character in his own right, and while he does not have the physically intermediating presence like a Darth Vader or even a Darth Maul, he is very strong in the force and very manipulative to getting what he wants (he not only turned Anakin towards dark side, indirectly leading him to "kill his wife, he also convinced an entire galaxy he was good and they WILlINGLY gave him absolute power)!

With that said Vader is still the one that steals the show, and when people think of Sith or dark side he is the first that comes to mind (despite what happened in Return of the Jedi).

For the Sequels while Palpatine was thr true main villian again, Snoke was the physical villian at least for the first half. However Snoke IMO is by far the worst developed and least interesting Sith/Star Wars villian from the movies or any of the shows! I do not see him being super manipulative, all powerful, and no physical commanding presence. I believe Kylo Ren gets a bad rep as he was powerful and interesting in his own way.

Snoke was the biggest letdown for me. In Force Awakens they laid some very strong potential seeds; his referring to Kylo Ren as being a blend of light and dark, indicating he is not a sith but was instead something new and different. His unperturbed reaction to the loss of his planet destroying weapon, and saying that Ren’s training wasn’t complete yet, as if it was all part of a much bigger plan that was already in motion. Coupled with teases from the producers that he was possibly thousands of years old, meaning he would have sat out the clone wars and galactic civil war, only to then see something in the first order and in Ren that made him feel it was time to move. Those all felt like the grounds for a truly unique and memorable villain.