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Post by hulksmash87 on Dec 13, 2020 10:10:32 GMT -5
Who would be on your Mount Rushmore of bookers? I’d say pat patterson Eddie graham bill watts and Paul heyman
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Dec 13, 2020 10:17:36 GMT -5
Booker T, King Booker, G.I Bro and when Booker lost the rights to his T
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Post by dynamitekidd on Dec 13, 2020 11:20:26 GMT -5
A strapped up Pillman and Sullivan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 12:06:48 GMT -5
This is actually a hard question. A lot of bookers had a couple good years, but I honestly can't think of anyone where their whole career as a Booker was good.
A few years ago I would have said Heyman, but his Raw run proved otherwise.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Dec 13, 2020 13:51:52 GMT -5
Booker T, King Booker, G.I Bro and when Booker lost the rights to his T No love for Kole? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 15:08:43 GMT -5
I think if you're talking bookers, you have to have a certain period of a booker. As mentioned above, this stuff is too fluctuating. So we'd be talking Heyman 94-97, Watts in Mid South, Gedo 2012-your mileage may vary.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 13, 2020 16:25:29 GMT -5
This is actually a hard question. A lot of bookers had a couple good years, but I honestly can't think of anyone where their whole career as a Booker was good. A few years ago I would have said Heyman, but his Raw run proved otherwise. Something something BUT VINCE EDITED HIM. But not even ECW era Heyman was perfect. It showed near the end (Justin Credible, world champion? Hey, another Tajiri/Crazy/Guido combo match! One match leads to a run in, leads to another match!). |
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Post by petef3 on Dec 13, 2020 16:52:33 GMT -5
I think if you're talking bookers, you have to have a certain period of a booker. As mentioned above, this stuff is too fluctuating. So we'd be talking Heyman 94-97, Watts in Mid South, Gedo 2012-your mileage may vary. 1970's George Scott as well. Not the senile guy booking 1989 WCW, the guy who decided Ric Flair would be the New Nature Boy and that Ricky Steamboat would be a top guy, and who was booking 3 house shows most nights and doing business for all of them. Watts had periods booking Florida and other places, but he was never really "the booker" for Mid-South. Obviously like with Vince, nothing got through without his final approval, but his bookers were guys like Ernie Ladd, Bill Dundee, Terry Taylor, Dick Slater, Buck Robley, and Ken Mantell. 1984, which is considered the high point of the promotion, was mostly booked by Dundee, and he obviously had a lot of input because it was the most Memphis-like that the territory ever was. |
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Post by Wardlow on Wardlow 54 on Dec 13, 2020 17:52:23 GMT -5
You'd have to specifically be looking at bookers, not writers. So, no Russo from the Attitude Era or Heyman from the Smackdown Six Era.
Dusty from the early to mid 80's should be on there. I'd say up until a year or so before he went to the WWF, he was at the top of his game. It was that last couple of years, when he wasn't ready to hang it up, but everyone was sick of seeing him in the main events, that his booking started to suffer immensely.
Eddie Graham in Florida, Gary Hart in WCCW and Bill Watts in Mid-South would be my other three picks. Three periods that are usually talked about fondly by fans.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 17:54:16 GMT -5
While I am no wrestling historian I think Gabe Sapolsky’s run in ROH from 04-08 when he leaves should get a shout. Guys like Joe, Punk, Daniels, Styles, Rollins, etc get there start in ROH under Gabe. Even the styles of modern WWE, TNA at its height, and AEW were influenced by guys who Gabe helped put on the map.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 13, 2020 20:18:52 GMT -5
Dusty had some big failures, but his highs are very high.
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Post by dav on Dec 13, 2020 20:25:10 GMT -5
Who was the main guy behind the booking for 80's WWF? Pat Patterson? Were some great storylines there alright. The entire saga from Andre's Heel turn to the Mega Powers break up was superbly done especially.
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Post by Sam Punk on Dec 13, 2020 20:26:21 GMT -5
Patterson, Dusty, Gabe, Watts
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 20:38:29 GMT -5
The list of best could also be the list of worst.
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Post by cosmo on Dec 13, 2020 20:58:26 GMT -5
But not even ECW era Heyman was perfect. It showed near the end (Justin Credible, world champion? Hey, another Tajiri/Crazy/Guido combo match! One match leads to a run in, leads to another match!).
That's why I've always preferred ECW from before they got on pay-per-view over the PPV/TNN stuff. Not everything was perfect, but Heyman did just enough right that I thought it was ridiculously captivating when I first started watching it all those years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 20:59:03 GMT -5
This is actually a hard question. A lot of bookers had a couple good years, but I honestly can't think of anyone where their whole career as a Booker was good. A few years ago I would have said Heyman, but his Raw run proved otherwise. Something something BUT VINCE EDITED HIM. But not even ECW era Heyman was perfect. It showed near the end (Justin Credible, world champion? Hey, another Tajiri/Crazy/Guido combo match! One match leads to a run in, leads to another match!). All fairness to Heyman: - In the later days of ECW it was mostly Tommy Dreamer booking - Vince did in fact essentially treat him as he would any other writer in wrestling, making him please just him. (Although it was also obvious that Heyman was stuck in the past and still had a 90's booking mentality) |
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Post by petef3 on Dec 13, 2020 21:20:21 GMT -5
Who was the main guy behind the booking for 80's WWF? Pat Patterson? Were some great storylines there alright. The entire saga from Andre's Heel turn to the Mega Powers break up was superbly done especially. George Scott from 1984 to the middle of '86, then basically Vince & Patterson. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 14, 2020 18:07:07 GMT -5
I think if you're talking bookers, you have to have a certain period of a booker. As mentioned above, this stuff is too fluctuating. So we'd be talking Heyman 94-97, Watts in Mid South, Gedo 2012-your mileage may vary. If you're doing that, nobody's on it. Literally nobody. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 18:09:00 GMT -5
I think if you're talking bookers, you have to have a certain period of a booker. As mentioned above, this stuff is too fluctuating. So we'd be talking Heyman 94-97, Watts in Mid South, Gedo 2012-your mileage may vary. If you're doing that, nobody's on it. Literally nobody. ... que? |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 14, 2020 18:21:03 GMT -5
If you're doing that, nobody's on it. Literally nobody. ... que? Sorry, what I mean is that if you're going to be stringent enough to not include 'Paul Heyman,' who has done good work as a booker at various points in ECW's run but not always good, but include him in '94-97, then you can't really justifiably include anybody, because even the great shows we remember are often trimmed with garbage or bad decisions or tragedies. I think even more than being a wrestler, being a consistently great booker is pretty much impossible. Like, the joke I was going to make was put Chris Kreski up there for his one year's worth of absolute gold (if we were including writers) except there was some bullshit mixed in with that as well. |
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