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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 17, 2020 23:19:29 GMT -5
The Simpsons is not as good as it used to be. It was NEVER that good, and the only reason most think so is because they were kids at the time, and never saw a cartoon with cursing in it before. Those are not mutually exclusive positions. And wrong. Regardless of whether one thinks the show was ever good or not, the overall quality of the first ten seasons or so is absolutely much better than everything that came after.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 18, 2020 0:37:34 GMT -5
but since the early 2000s there hasn't been anything that has captured the cultural zeitgeist in the way that there was in every decade from the fifties through the nineties, the reasons for which are many, so it's understandable that people cling onto when pop culture did have meaning. I don't think this is true at all. Seeing him trending on Twitter for a new album, in 2000-2002 or so, you couldn’t go 8 feet without hearing someone blaring Eminem. Dude was everywhere. Now, I’d be hard pressed to say the last I’ve ever heard someone mention him. He’s still popular obviously but he kind of went away in pop culture.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 18, 2020 0:57:13 GMT -5
The whole "we shouldn't give kids participation trophies" thing. I actually agree with the point for the most part but this basically got used to define a whole generation as soft and drastically overstated how often this actually happens. I work in education and we never do this. In fact, we emphasize the importance of learning how to lose and how to grow from it. This just became a tired talking point for older people to go after today's youth.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Dec 18, 2020 1:00:19 GMT -5
Yeah, honestly I was just joking with the Simpsons one.
Can we just say that people put way too much stock in the opinions of Internet Reviewers.
"Oh, you didn't like the new Nav album? Neither did a lot of people."
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Post by Scoops on Dec 18, 2020 3:00:40 GMT -5
Using the word "virgin" as an insult. People don’t use virgin as an insult anymore, they use incel.
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Post by Scoops on Dec 18, 2020 3:06:59 GMT -5
The Simpsons is not as good as it used to be. It was NEVER that good, and the only reason most think so is because they were kids at the time, and never saw a cartoon with cursing in it before. That’s not true at all. Early Simpsons was ground breaking and I’ve grown to love it even more as an adult as I now get the jokes that flew over my head as a kid.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Dec 18, 2020 3:14:01 GMT -5
Using the word "virgin" as an insult. People don’t use virgin as an insult anymore, they use incel. And which has already lost all meaning.
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Post by thechase on Dec 18, 2020 5:13:37 GMT -5
"Every Marvel movie is better than whatever DC are doing"
Most Marvel movies are objectively terrible and are watched more for memes and post-credit teasers than they are for their actual plots. It saddens me to see DC and WB have been reduced to the state they're in (and I'm not saying they're entirely blameless in that) while THIS cartoonish hackery is rewarded
"Anything Zack Snyder Does Is Satan Made Manifest"
The actual man is more a hero for persevering with his vision and dealing with the death of his daughter than the people who have dedicated whole threads and twitter accounts to how pissed off they are the man made some divisive capesh*it movies that came out years ago. Get some perspective for god's sake. I don't like half of his movies either, but he comes off as nothing more than a good-natured man with a weird opinion of superheroes that not everyone agrees with. Worse still, his cult of fans all get tarred with the same feathers when not all of them are a one-sided hate mob and have done some genuine good things for charitable causes.
He does not deserve to be singled out as the boogeyman of this stupid Marvel vs DC capes*it culture war when Joss Whedon made both the worst Justice League AND Avengers movies ever (and yes, you know which Avengers movie)
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Post by thechase on Dec 18, 2020 5:23:17 GMT -5
If a man and a woman are seen together in public in a friendly manner to each other, they must be having sex with each other. (language)
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Dec 18, 2020 5:24:03 GMT -5
"Every Marvel movie is better than whatever DC are doing" Most Marvel movies are objectively terrible and are watched more for memes and post-credit teasers than they are for their actual plots. It saddens me to see DC and WB have been reduced to the state they're in (and I'm not saying they're entirely blameless in that) while THIS cartoonish hackery is rewarded objectively terrible? Just because you might not like them I don't think it's makes them objectively terrible
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Post by thechase on Dec 18, 2020 5:26:58 GMT -5
"Every Marvel movie is better than whatever DC are doing" Most Marvel movies are objectively terrible and are watched more for memes and post-credit teasers than they are for their actual plots. It saddens me to see DC and WB have been reduced to the state they're in (and I'm not saying they're entirely blameless in that) while THIS cartoonish hackery is rewarded objectively terrible? Just because you might not like them I don't think it's makes them objectively terrible I speak as a former MCU fan. These movies age ridiculously badly. Not every movie is bad (the Russo entries are amazing)
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Dec 18, 2020 5:32:22 GMT -5
objectively terrible? Just because you might not like them I don't think it's makes them objectively terrible I speak as a former MCU fan. These movies age ridiculously badly. I mean it's your opinion they have aged badly, I still wouldn't use the term objectively terrible. I still liked an whole bunch when I last revisited them
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 18, 2020 5:35:01 GMT -5
objectively terrible? Just because you might not like them I don't think it's makes them objectively terrible I speak as a former MCU fan. These movies age ridiculously badly. Not every movie is bad (the Russo entries are amazing), I just find a lot of them childish and commercial. That's still no objectively terrible, it's a movie, unless there's things like lines being flubbed, boom mics in shot etc. there's nothing objectively bad. It's all subjective.
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Post by thechase on Dec 18, 2020 5:36:52 GMT -5
I speak as a former MCU fan. These movies age ridiculously badly. I mean it's your opinion they have aged badly, I still wouldn't use the term objectively terrible. I still liked an whole bunch when I last revisited them I just find a lot of them far too childish and commercial. If you think they're amazing, more power to you, but I just have a tough time believing that. The fan praise has gotten so over-the-top that I joke that if DC made Batman and Robin now, they'd earn a billion
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 18, 2020 5:38:58 GMT -5
I don't think this is true at all. There are a lot of things that have been successful commercially or that have garnered a big following, but very few that I would say have reflected the wider culture. There are no more widely-shared cultural experiences that people are conscious of and affected by even if they aren't actively engaged with them, and I would say as a millennial that nothing has ever really culturally defined my generation. There are a few essays and articles and things about this; Douglas Coupland actually suggested this in 2010, that everything is now so readily available and lives are so "customised" that there are no broad cultural "megatrends" anymore. I think the way the cultural industries work has changed too.
I'd argue that's not a statement about quality, more about the options and diversity of choice now. It's easier to have a zeitgeist when there's only 3 channels against hundreds plus the almost limitless content online.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Dec 18, 2020 5:42:18 GMT -5
I mean it's your opinion they have aged badly, I still wouldn't use the term objectively terrible. I still liked an whole bunch when I last revisited them I just find a lot of them far too childish and commercial. If you think they're amazing, more power to you, but I just have a tough time believing that. The fan praise has gotten so over-the-top that I joke that if DC made Batman and Robin now, they'd earn a billion from these people. you have a tough time believing someone might find joy just because it's something you don't like?
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Post by thechase on Dec 18, 2020 5:54:25 GMT -5
I speak as a former MCU fan. These movies age ridiculously badly. Not every movie is bad (the Russo entries are amazing), I just find a lot of them childish and commercial. That's still no objectively terrible, it's a movie, unless there's things like lines being flubbed, boom mics in shot etc. there's nothing objectively bad. It's all subjective. You don't have to be of Ed Wood quality to be considered a terrible film. A lot of their movies get away with things others have found terrible or questionable in other films that don't have the Marvel merry marching band branding behind them.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 18, 2020 7:20:58 GMT -5
That's still no objectively terrible, it's a movie, unless there's things like lines being flubbed, boom mics in shot etc. there's nothing objectively bad. It's all subjective. You don't have to be of Ed Wood quality to be considered a terrible film. A lot of their movies get away with things others have found terrible or questionable in other films that don't have the Marvel merry marching band branding behind them. "Marvel merry marching band branding" I'm not even arguing their quality, just objective v subjective. Saying something's objectively bad, lines like that don't especially help your case. It's all subjective. You may not like them but they are well made on a technical and that's one of the few things in a film you can say is an objective good or bad thing.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 18, 2020 7:28:17 GMT -5
"Friends was never funny, I have no idea how it lasted so long and nobody watched it!" (You can replace 'Friends' with 'Big Bang Theory' and it applies as well)
It was on for a decade for a reason. Making blanket statements that "nobody watched the show" is just kinda dumb
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 18, 2020 7:57:42 GMT -5
but since the early 2000s there hasn't been anything that has captured the cultural zeitgeist in the way that there was in every decade from the fifties through the nineties, the reasons for which are many, so it's understandable that people cling onto when pop culture did have meaning. I don't think this is true at all. There absolutely have been cultural zeitgeists, it's just not the stuff that's relevant to a 35 year old old guy like me. I think a lot of people who say this kind of thing aren't considering that it tends to be much younger people who create those cultural touchstones than they are. Essentially "I used to be with it but then it changed and what it is now seems strange and alien". This kinda happened recently on this YouTube channel I watch, the Punk Rock MBA. He did a video about these 2 kids who blew up in music that got their start on TikTok. The vid ended up getting like no views because by his own estimation his audience skews much older and didn't know or care about it.
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