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Post by Psy on Dec 17, 2020 22:54:24 GMT -5
Please don't feed the trolls, they need to remain slender to fit under their bridges.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 17, 2020 22:59:00 GMT -5
Please don't feed the trolls, they need to remain slender to fit under their bridges. This forum is really good at making sure people like that don't overrun this place or make it impossible to discuss things. So I appreciate that and it's a reason I love coming here.
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Post by Psy on Dec 17, 2020 23:21:06 GMT -5
Oh shoot, I didn't mean for you to delete your post. I just wanted to edit out the quote since it was... well, what it was. Your reply was perfect, I didn't mean to imply otherwise with my post.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 17, 2020 23:23:55 GMT -5
Oh shoot, I didn't mean for you to delete your post. I just wanted to edit out the quote since it was... well, what it was. Your reply was perfect, I didn't mean to imply otherwise with my post. You didn't! Just didn't make much sense without it.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 17, 2020 23:50:32 GMT -5
I will again remind everyone, the ratings were lower, but they were still #1 in 18-49 Males. So like, we can talk about this and that, but last week they were MORE #1 in Males 18-49, and this week they're less #1 in Males 18-49, but they are still #1 in Males in 18-49. They will always be hovering towards the top. Advertising on television is a multi trillion dollar industry. When advertisers look at numbers, they see #1 on Dec 10, and they see #1 on Dec 17, they don't go "Well Sting... Shaq...150k less....". They see #1 and that' it. When TNT puts together it's advertising prices, they don't go "#1 by this much on Dec 10, and #1 by that much on Dec 17." I guess it's ok to discuss what could have made the audience bigger, smaller, but #1 is still #1. #3 overall is still #3, out of what, 250? 300? The advertisers don’t just look at ranking, the fact the demo went from 0.45 to 0.32 is significant. That’s 130,000 viewer drop in the demo.
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 18, 2020 0:08:31 GMT -5
I will again remind everyone, the ratings were lower, but they were still #1 in 18-49 Males. So like, we can talk about this and that, but last week they were MORE #1 in Males 18-49, and this week they're less #1 in Males 18-49, but they are still #1 in Males in 18-49. They will always be hovering towards the top. Advertising on television is a multi trillion dollar industry. When advertisers look at numbers, they see #1 on Dec 10, and they see #1 on Dec 17, they don't go "Well Sting... Shaq...150k less....". They see #1 and that' it. When TNT puts together it's advertising prices, they don't go "#1 by this much on Dec 10, and #1 by that much on Dec 17." I guess it's ok to discuss what could have made the audience bigger, smaller, but #1 is still #1. #3 overall is still #3, out of what, 250? 300? The advertisers don’t just look at ranking, the fact the demo went from 0.45 to 0.32 is significant. That’s 130,000 viewer drop in the demo. Listen dude, I know you like to play contrarian, but some weeks ratings are higher then other weeks. Have you worked in advertising, that you say they don't "just look at demos.". That is literally what advertisers look like. #1 in 18-49 Male is still #1. Since you were obsessed with MNF, you think they say "Well we know MNF got better ratings in week 27, and lower ratings in week 28, so we're not going to give you this money, even though you're consistently number one." I think you're a cool guy Polar, but I'm not going to discuss ratings with you anymore, because you seem to want to cheapen their accomplishment with different factoids, that just aren't true. "Football is the same kind of competition as another wrestling show, advertisers don't "just" look at ranking, which is exactly what they look like. #1 is #1, whether it's high or REALLY high. #1 is #1, #3 is #3, #37 is #37. That's objective. L
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Post by markymark on Dec 18, 2020 7:15:32 GMT -5
Thats not good because it was all downhill from here, its like some suspected, the throwaway matches likely turned off viewers.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 18, 2020 7:19:51 GMT -5
Thats not good because it was all downhill from here, its like some suspected, the throwaway matches likely turned off viewers. We dont know till the breakdown but I assume stuff like Acclaimed vs SCU and such was where they lost some viewers. It'd be weird if the 12 man did for the sheer Chaos and it still had Jericho in it. Cody vs Angelico mighta dropped vewers too for being too obvious. Hangman/Silver/Reynolds are a draw though, like they got high views on Youtube too, people like this combo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 7:27:30 GMT -5
I'm a hardcore Dynamite viewer that has never missed an episode, and even I was like "What the hell is this?" It certainly wasn't bad by any means but it felt like such filler. I get that you need filler sometimes, and I get that not every show is essentially going to be a free ppv, but that was quite a drop from last week in terms of the show feeling important or must watch.
No, I'm not making the argument that more casual viewers from last week will never watch again, I'm not saying the show sucked, or anything like that. It just felt weird to follow basically their biggest show ever with a practically nothing show in terms of furthering storylines or big matches. As was said earlier, I would have done this as the late night show next week when most people aren't going to be very concerned with wrestling amidst Christmas week and the return of the NBA.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 18, 2020 8:03:46 GMT -5
The advertisers don’t just look at ranking, the fact the demo went from 0.45 to 0.32 is significant. That’s 130,000 viewer drop in the demo. Listen dude, I know you like to play contrarian, but some weeks ratings are higher then other weeks. Have you worked in advertising, that you say they don't "just look at demos.". That is literally what advertisers look like. #1 in 18-49 Male is still #1. Since you were obsessed with MNF, you think they say "Well we know MNF got better ratings in week 27, and lower ratings in week 28, so we're not going to give you this money, even though you're consistently number one." I think you're a cool guy Polar, but I'm not going to discuss ratings with you anymore, because you seem to want to cheapen their accomplishment with different factoids, that just aren't true. "Football is the same kind of competition as another wrestling show, advertisers don't "just" look at ranking, which is exactly what they look like. #1 is #1, whether it's high or REALLY high. #1 is #1, #3 is #3, #37 is #37. That's objective. L Not sure why you’re getting so worked up, I’m not “playing” contrarian, I’m being real about what the numbers can mean. And I didn’t say the demo doesn’t matter I was specifically talking about the demo going from 0.45 to 0.32. I’m just saying the number ranking isn’t the only thing looked at, I don’t think that’s even a controversial statement. MNF was number 1 in the demo with a 3.5 or something crazy. And then Wednesday the number 1 show was at like 0.45. Don’t you think those demo numbers are valued differently by advertisers? Obviously they are thats why the NFL gets billions of dollars in TV deals. That’s all I’m saying.
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Post by markymark on Dec 18, 2020 9:02:35 GMT -5
Q1: Hardy Party vs Hangman and Beaver Boys: 1,010m 512K demo Q2: IC interview, Cody/Brandi Christmas vid, beginning of Cody vs Angelico: 826K, 412k Q3: Cody vs Angelico, post match with Team Taz and Sting, Miro interview, brawl between Kingston group and Death Triangle: 843K, 405k Q4: Dustin promo, IC vs Best Friends and friends: 835K, 413K Q5: Rest of tag match, Rosa/Britt backstage segment: 726k, 400k Q6: SCU vs Acclaimed 746K, 399K Q7: Sicarias vs Swole and Serena: 741k, 406K Q8: Omega vs Janela: 718k, 419k
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Post by moxfan1 on Dec 18, 2020 9:12:04 GMT -5
If your gonna take foot off the gas you do it next week. When Dynamite is on tv late. Not this week when you are trying to keep the momentum. Plus it's not like they had to make this show that crazy to keep viewers. Having few better match ups and some good in ring segments or good storyline progression. Cody/Angelico, Hardy&Private Party vs Page,Silver&Reynolds, Inner Circle twelve man tag and Omega/Janela is filler that combined is going to cause to many viewers you gained last week not return. Especially feuds and story progression went nowhere last night. People tuned in to see Sting do more then point baseball bat at Team Tazz. You had Kingston, Butcher,Blade and Archer, Pac, Lucha Bros was same stuff. Look I have no problem showcasing Acclaimed and Top Flight. But you can do that stuff and still have hotter show. For example give Cody and Omega more high profile matches rather then facing job guys in one-sided matches. Give us little more back story on what Sting doing. Heck have him in multiple segments. Have Kingston,Butcher, Blade brawl with Archer, Lucha Bros and Pac returning back stage or in parking lot etc. Something little more difference then brawl around ring again. I'm just saying the combo of the matches and segments they choose to do. Just made it feel like filler show. Which clearly caused them to lose viewers this week. You don't have to have foot on the gas to do that. Couple more interesting matches and hot segment or two. Mixed in everything else they did would have been fine. We need to stop acting like AEW will never see these viewers again, they clearly will, it's just as you said a week where they took their time. They have three big shows coming, one with a special guest in Snoop Dogg, and anything announced will bring the numbers up even further Some shows are just gonna be like this, it happens. I didn't think it was a bad show either, it was good wrestling and I thought it was fine development, but to each their own. I never said they shouldn't see these viewers again. But to grow audience you need to have consistent big shows with buzz about them for little while. You can't have one or two big shows then two weeks of filler shows. That just teaches certain audiences only to tune in when big stuff is planned. Other wise they will watch it later on dvr, app, on-demand later etc and watch just the things they wanna see. If Tony Khan and Omega weren't speaking so much about wanting to grow the audience this year. With Khan putting Omega/Mox on tv and debut Sting on tv and do angle with Impact as ideas to do that. Well it's lost opportunity to keep momentum. When you do stuff like Cody/Angelico, 12 man tag matches, Omega/Janela and Sting stuff is in repeat. It's not like MJF/Cassidy is ppv main event like Mox/Omega. But at least it's interesting enough and had some stakes to get viewers. AEW roster is more then big enough to create more interesting match ups then they did. Without doing too much and give away too much. That could have kept more of the audience. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Dec 18, 2020 9:14:38 GMT -5
That's a steady and consistent drop, with the show struggling to stay above 700k by the end. The tag-match was a ratings slaughterer, and why wouldn't it be? It was basically an extended squash. AEW has a real problem with booking these nothing shows where no storylines advance at all - it's not often, but it's happened once a month or so since the pandemic and it always takes them a while to recover. I imagine their ratings will pop back up at the next big episode, but they shouldn't let this happen again. I would be personally ashamed to put my name to this episode - and I LIKED IT - but it's absolutely stalled out momentum in all of their storylines. "Slow" episodes are a thing in every show, but "slow" should never be synonymous with "empty". There are numerous ways to slow things down and prolong storylines without having a show that consisted of three jobber squashes and SCU vs some rapping losers
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Post by moxfan1 on Dec 18, 2020 9:14:45 GMT -5
Q1: Hardy Party vs Hangman and Beaver Boys: 1,010m 512K demo Q2: IC interview, Cody/Brandi Christmas vid, beginning of Cody vs Angelico: 826K, 412k Q3: Cody vs Angelico, post match with Team Taz and Sting, Miro interview, brawl between Kingston group and Death Triangle: 843K, 405k Q4: Dustin promo, IC vs Best Friends and friends: 835K, 413K Q5: Rest of tag match, Rosa/Britt backstage segment: 726k, 400k Q6: SCU vs Acclaimed 746K, 399K Q7: Sicarias vs Swole and Serena: 741k, 406K Q8: Omega vs Janela: 718k, 419k Wow lost viewers from opening of the show to the main event is telling. Basically last two weeks audience showed up. Then realized the show was boring filler and they left. That's exactly what I figured happen and why it's disappointing they put on this type of show. When they had the momentum for another big week.
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Post by markymark on Dec 18, 2020 9:16:50 GMT -5
Dunne vs. O’Reilly gave the edge to NXT, AEW won due to once again Thatcher being the lowest rated segment for the yellow brand.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 18, 2020 10:08:36 GMT -5
Here are my two takeaways:
- The audience that surged the past two weeks showed up for the first quarter and tuned out. That makes sense given this show wasn't as big a deal as the previous two weeks. Obviously you would love to do massive numbers every week, but at the very least - they showed up. They were curious what was going on this week. Hopefully this isn't a one time curiosity and the audience they did the past two weeks can be replicated for their New Years shows.
- After the big first quarter drop, the 18-49 audience was extremely stable. It stayed between 399K and 419K. For that demo, they held the audience. Their big drop was around 100K and outside of 18-49. We don't know the breakdown of that group but I imagine the stronger competition in the second hour from NXT played a role. This gets to what Meltzer tweeted out last night where different demos liked different things on Wednesday and had pretty different viewing habits.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Dec 18, 2020 10:49:31 GMT -5
I figured this would be coming with a lesser show this week. They kind of eased in to the Holiday Bash and New Years Smash nights. Can't blame them if they're gonna stack those nights full of action Next weeks ratings will be interesting with AEW airing later and unopposed. Gonna be interesting how that effects the numbers. Late Night Dynamite did decent, but this will be a full special, heavily stacked Dynamite card, so I'm curious. Will be curious to see how strong the lead in audience will be. Its not really opening night and there is another game on ESPN during a similar time but everyone should still be on the sports hype train so it should be stronger then the mid season NBA numbers of a not 100% marque matchup.
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Post by markymark on Dec 18, 2020 12:12:11 GMT -5
One thing that shouldve been pointed out is that AEW going to commercial at around 9:01pm east time was probably the dumbest move they did.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 18, 2020 12:15:40 GMT -5
One thing that shouldve been pointed out is that AEW going to commercial at around 9:01pm east time was probably the dumbest move they did. Damn, I think you're 100% right. The quarter that usually gets the highest rating got a huge drop, and in the middle of a match at that. Never thought I would see SCU gain viewers.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 18, 2020 15:19:30 GMT -5
One thing that shouldve been pointed out is that AEW going to commercial at around 9:01pm east time was probably the dumbest move they did. Damn, I think you're 100% right. The quarter that usually gets the highest rating got a huge drop, and in the middle of a match at that. Never thought I would see SCU gain viewers. The Acclaimed for the flack they get from some people have been drawing good numbers, it mighta been on them
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