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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 3, 2021 9:25:22 GMT -5
I know I said before that I don’t really get MitB as a concept within the logic of WWE kayfabe, but if it absolutely must be done then I think the same principle should be applied to it that should be used regarding all of WWE’s other gimmick match-based shows: these gimmicks should only be used *when you have a booking idea in mind that the gimmick enables you to follow through on effectively*.
Like, we’ve said it a million times here, but Hell in a Cell should only happen with a blood feud that becomes too big to contain and has to be settled once and for all, NOT as a preplanned series of matches set to happen during the same time every year. Similarly, MitB should be used when they’re thinking of giving someone a very particular push or have a larger angle in mind, NOT because “it’s (insert month here), that’s when we do then Money in the Bank show/matches”.
Again, the gimmick worked with Edge, because they integrated it into his character, the match and the angle was clearly done with HIM in mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 15:32:29 GMT -5
I know I said before that I don’t really get MitB as a concept within the logic of WWE kayfabe, but if it absolutely must be done then I think the same principle should be applied to it that should be used regarding all of WWE’s other gimmick match-based shows: these gimmicks should only be used *when you have a booking idea in mind that the gimmick enables you to follow through on effectively*. Like, we’ve said it a million times here, but Hell in a Cell should only happen with a blood feud that becomes too big to contain and has to be settled once and for all, NOT as a preplanned series of matches set to happen during the same time every year. Similarly, MitB should be used when they’re thinking of giving someone a very particular push or have a larger angle in mind, NOT because “it’s (insert month here), that’s when we do then Money in the Bank show/matches”. Again, the gimmick worked with Edge, because they integrated it into his character, the match and the angle was clearly done with HIM in mind. I feel like the gimmick that's most effective as a scheduled event (besides the Rumble) is Elimination Chamber, because chances to do an angle around it organically are going to be very slim and it makes sense as a, "Here's the point where you go through absolute hell to get the belt / a title shot / whatever," thing. |
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 3, 2021 15:46:24 GMT -5
There should be a Money In The Bank that you can cash in on another Money In The Bank. So like, let's say the Money In The Bank winners are Miz and Carmella. There is also a third Money In The Bank that you cash in on a Money In The Bank to take their Money In The Bank so you can cash in that Money in the Bank on a World Champion. Let's say Primo returns and wins Money In The Bank Money In The Bank. So let's say Roman is the champion and Miz cashes in Money In The Bank and fails. Primo could then take his Money In The Bank Money In The Bank, bash Carmella's head in with his Money In The Bank, cash in his Money In The Bank Money In The Bank so he can steal her Money In The Bank and then cash in Carmella's former Money In The Bank on Roman to become champion. And Miz, was there!  Anyone smell burnt toast? |
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Post by eJm on Jan 3, 2021 15:50:03 GMT -5
I know I said before that I don’t really get MitB as a concept within the logic of WWE kayfabe, but if it absolutely must be done then I think the same principle should be applied to it that should be used regarding all of WWE’s other gimmick match-based shows: these gimmicks should only be used *when you have a booking idea in mind that the gimmick enables you to follow through on effectively*. Like, we’ve said it a million times here, but Hell in a Cell should only happen with a blood feud that becomes too big to contain and has to be settled once and for all, NOT as a preplanned series of matches set to happen during the same time every year. Similarly, MitB should be used when they’re thinking of giving someone a very particular push or have a larger angle in mind, NOT because “it’s (insert month here), that’s when we do then Money in the Bank show/matches”. Again, the gimmick worked with Edge, because they integrated it into his character, the match and the angle was clearly done with HIM in mind. I feel like the gimmick that's most effective as a scheduled event (besides the Rumble) is Elimination Chamber, because chances to do an angle around it organically are going to be very slim and it makes sense as a, "Here's the point where you go through absolute hell to get the belt / a title shot / whatever," thing. And coincidentally enough, two recent iconic moments came from there (Bryan almost beating Orton but getting screwed by the Authority and the birth of KofiMania). More memorable than most Cell matches or MITBs. |
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 3, 2021 15:54:20 GMT -5
Oh, you're just gonna ignore my shit that I worked hard on? I see how it is.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 3, 2021 16:36:18 GMT -5
I feel like the gimmick that's most effective as a scheduled event (besides the Rumble) is Elimination Chamber, because chances to do an angle around it organically are going to be very slim and it makes sense as a, "Here's the point where you go through absolute hell to get the belt / a title shot / whatever," thing. And coincidentally enough, two recent iconic moments came from there (Bryan almost beating Orton but getting screwed by the Authority and the birth of KofiMania). More memorable than most Cell matches or MITBs. I can't say I've ever been a huge fan of the EC match concept, but it does at least work better on that front; it's not like the wait in between people entering the match is THAT long, so it doesn't feel like entrance number basically determines the winner, and once you're in there's really nowhere to run or hide so you can't get away with winning in too sneaky a way. Plus, since you genuinely have to beat everyone else and not just throw them over the ropes or something, it does feel more "earned". It enables smart booking where you can absolutely solidify a never-say-die babyface, and the match can be made to seem arduous enough that winning feels like a legitimate accomplishment and not just a matter of luck of the draw or stealing someone else's win or what have you, if you're in that match you have to take your licks. It's also why tournaments work so well as annual events: a heel can win a tournament, even cheat a lot of the way through it, but they can't last that long without genuinely being good at what they do and coming off as a legitimate threat, whether it be knocking 3-4 opponents off in a single elimination tournament or surviving a round robin like G1 or Champion Carnival (or, in the few cases where they did it well, TNA's Bound for Glory Series). |
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Post by Chiral on Jan 3, 2021 18:32:57 GMT -5
There should be a Money In The Bank that you can cash in on another Money In The Bank. So like, let's say the Money In The Bank winners are Miz and Carmella. There is also a third Money In The Bank that you cash in on a Money In The Bank to take their Money In The Bank so you can cash in that Money in the Bank on a World Champion. Let's say Primo returns and wins Money In The Bank Money In The Bank. So let's say Roman is the champion and Miz cashes in Money In The Bank and fails. Primo could then take his Money In The Bank Money In The Bank, bash Carmella's head in with his Money In The Bank, cash in his Money In The Bank Money In The Bank so he can steal her Money In The Bank and then cash in Carmella's former Money In The Bank on Roman to become champion. And Miz, was there! Anyone smell burnt toast? I want this to keep escalating, adding more MITB briefcases that can only cash in on the tier above them until everybody has a briefcase of varying sizes and colors where the announcers audibly groan when they're used because they have to try and connect which tier of briefcase each person has and what it would even mean if they switched them in this unfollowable network of 80+ briefcases. |
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 3, 2021 20:34:23 GMT -5
There should be a Money In The Bank that you can cash in on another Money In The Bank. So like, let's say the Money In The Bank winners are Miz and Carmella. There is also a third Money In The Bank that you cash in on a Money In The Bank to take their Money In The Bank so you can cash in that Money in the Bank on a World Champion. Let's say Primo returns and wins Money In The Bank Money In The Bank. So let's say Roman is the champion and Miz cashes in Money In The Bank and fails. Primo could then take his Money In The Bank Money In The Bank, bash Carmella's head in with his Money In The Bank, cash in his Money In The Bank Money In The Bank so he can steal her Money In The Bank and then cash in Carmella's former Money In The Bank on Roman to become champion. And Miz, was there! Anyone smell burnt toast? I want this to keep escalating, adding more MITB briefcases that can only cash in on the tier above them until everybody has a briefcase of varying sizes and colors where the announcers audibly groan when they're used because they have to try and connect which tier of briefcase each person has and what it would even mean if they switched them in this unfollowable network of 80+ briefcases.  "You my friend have saved this show and we thank you for that." |
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Post by romanstylesiii on Jan 3, 2021 21:06:53 GMT -5
I know I said before that I don’t really get MitB as a concept within the logic of WWE kayfabe, but if it absolutely must be done then I think the same principle should be applied to it that should be used regarding all of WWE’s other gimmick match-based shows: these gimmicks should only be used *when you have a booking idea in mind that the gimmick enables you to follow through on effectively*. Like, we’ve said it a million times here, but Hell in a Cell should only happen with a blood feud that becomes too big to contain and has to be settled once and for all, NOT as a preplanned series of matches set to happen during the same time every year. Similarly, MitB should be used when they’re thinking of giving someone a very particular push or have a larger angle in mind, NOT because “it’s (insert month here), that’s when we do then Money in the Bank show/matches”. Again, the gimmick worked with Edge, because they integrated it into his character, the match and the angle was clearly done with HIM in mind. Funny, your logic matches that of what you hear on Bruce Prichard's podcast. He constantly preaches about not starting a storyline without knowing where it will go Yet as one of the head bookers, he has helped book THIS mitb storyline. Although, to be fair to him, they stopped trying to integrate MITB into a character since Kennedy had it when he was counting down till Wrestlemania. The logic of Miz cashing in DURING a ladder match was really dumb. Like, why would you not just beat him down with a chair and cash it in after the match? |
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Post by eJm on Jan 3, 2021 21:08:43 GMT -5
I know I said before that I don’t really get MitB as a concept within the logic of WWE kayfabe, but if it absolutely must be done then I think the same principle should be applied to it that should be used regarding all of WWE’s other gimmick match-based shows: these gimmicks should only be used *when you have a booking idea in mind that the gimmick enables you to follow through on effectively*. Like, we’ve said it a million times here, but Hell in a Cell should only happen with a blood feud that becomes too big to contain and has to be settled once and for all, NOT as a preplanned series of matches set to happen during the same time every year. Similarly, MitB should be used when they’re thinking of giving someone a very particular push or have a larger angle in mind, NOT because “it’s (insert month here), that’s when we do then Money in the Bank show/matches”. Again, the gimmick worked with Edge, because they integrated it into his character, the match and the angle was clearly done with HIM in mind. Funny, your logic matches that of what you hear on Bruce Prichard's podcast. He constantly preaches about not starting a storyline without knowing where it will go Yet as one of the head bookers, he has helped book THIS mitb storyline. To be fair, nowhere is still a direction. It’s not a productive direction but it’s technically a direction. |
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Post by romanstylesiii on Jan 3, 2021 21:11:24 GMT -5
Funny, your logic matches that of what you hear on Bruce Prichard's podcast. He constantly preaches about not starting a storyline without knowing where it will go Yet as one of the head bookers, he has helped book THIS mitb storyline. To be fair, nowhere is still a direction. It’s not a productive direction but it’s technically a direction.  |
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 3, 2021 21:47:11 GMT -5
It's a worn out concept and allows people to be shot up the card regardless of their W/L leading into the match
It makes worthles weekly matches ever more worthless
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 22:59:35 GMT -5
Here's something else that puts in perspective how devoid of ideas they are for the briefcase. Thus far counting Carmella's two wins and Asuka's, there have been five women to hold Money in the Bank.
Carmella had it for the longest length of time at 287 days. The second longest length of time holding it was... Carmella, at two days.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 4, 2021 0:21:28 GMT -5
Here's something else that puts in perspective how devoid of ideas they are for the briefcase. Thus far counting Carmella's two wins and Asuka's, there have been five women to hold Money in the Bank. Carmella had it for the longest length of time at 287 days. The second longest length of time holding it was... Carmella, at two days. But which length was the most fabulous? |
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