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Post by SirLucas on Dec 21, 2020 16:10:26 GMT -5
I feel she is solidified her heel role to a point where it's a difficult to suspend disbelief when she is a babyface. As she announced as the mystery partner at TLC thinking, I was thinking she's going to screw over Auska to set up for a title match at Royal Rumble. But now that they won the match, I am thinking she's going to screw over Auska at Royal Rumble to set up for a match at Mania.
I'd put Charlotte in the same category as wrestlers like Mr. Perfect, Jeff Jarrett, and Christian. These are wrestlers who I felt were type casted as heels to the point where they just weren't convincible during their babyface runs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 16:18:20 GMT -5
She's more popular than she's given credit for; but like AJ, Seth, Roman, Sasha, and some others she's much better as a heel.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 21, 2020 16:22:46 GMT -5
Whenever she is a face, I’m just waiting for her to turn her back on some face (usually Becky)
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Post by dbrussel on Dec 21, 2020 16:49:06 GMT -5
I think babyface Charlotte is not gonna last. This story looks like Sasha-Bayley all over again
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 16:59:10 GMT -5
I think babyface Charlotte is not gonna last. This story looks like Sasha-Bayley all over again So they aren't going to split until 2023?
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 21, 2020 17:02:57 GMT -5
Seriously. It's stupid enough when they have her as a heel who management just hands title shots for no reason considering that it's Ashley Fleihr I'm annoyed at for that, not her character.
As a FACE just showing up and getting title shots for no reason? Go actually the hell away WWE. That character does not have any redeeming qualities.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 21, 2020 17:08:37 GMT -5
They've never given fans any reason whatsoever to emotionally invest in her as a babyface
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Dec 21, 2020 18:25:05 GMT -5
One issue is, she’s very tall and athletic, it’s hard for her to ever be a sympathetic underdog, even people like Ziggler, Miz and Styles can play that better than she can.
It’s not her fault, mind you, but it’s an issue.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Dec 21, 2020 19:21:32 GMT -5
Asuka better not shake Charlotte’s hand...it sets off her innate genetic ability to strike gullible babyfaces.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 21, 2020 19:25:21 GMT -5
One issue is, she’s very tall and athletic, it’s hard for her to ever be a sympathetic underdog, even people like Ziggler, Miz and Styles can play that better than she can. It’s not her fault, mind you, but it’s an issue. Management loves her, that makes it EVEN HARDER for her to ever be sympathetic. There's a whole "If Vince loves you, there must be something slimy/unsavory about you that he sees himself in" meta-factor there, and it's unfortunate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 20:02:57 GMT -5
She's more popular than she's given credit for; but like AJ, Seth, Roman, Sasha, and some others she's much better as a heel. Miz and Orton are much better heels as well
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 20:05:04 GMT -5
She's more popular than she's given credit for; but like AJ, Seth, Roman, Sasha, and some others she's much better as a heel. Miz and Orton are much better heels as well I thought Miz's last face turn got off to a really good start, but they completely ruined it by making him Shane's bitch.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 21, 2020 20:31:12 GMT -5
There's a whole "If Vince loves you, there must be something slimy/unsavory about you that he sees himself in" meta-factor there, and it's unfortunate. Office favoritism is a stigma but I'm not really sure that's the angle people are looking at it from.
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 21, 2020 21:03:59 GMT -5
One issue is, she’s very tall and athletic, it’s hard for her to ever be a sympathetic underdog, even people like Ziggler, Miz and Styles can play that better than she can. It’s not her fault, mind you, but it’s an issue. Management loves her, that makes it EVEN HARDER for her to ever be sympathetic. There's a whole "If Vince loves you, there must be something slimy/unsavory about you that he sees himself in" meta-factor there, and it's unfortunate.
The thing is that that meta-angle became a major part of WWE storylines in 2018/19, so it got incorporated into the kayfabe, and I suspect that's part of why it's so tenacious among some fans.
Even before that, Charlotte also commented in Second Nature that it was hard to sympathise with the tall blonde daughter of Ric Flair, so it's a dynamic she's well aware of.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 21:19:17 GMT -5
Some wrestlers are just not likeable.
Charlotte, Miz and Seth definitely fall into this category.
Yeah they're great. But they're not guys you cheer for. They're the people you like watching get beat.
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Post by J is Justice on Dec 21, 2020 21:19:59 GMT -5
I was enjoying her as a heel before she got injured.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Dec 21, 2020 21:48:32 GMT -5
Some wrestlers are just not likeable. Charlotte, Miz and Seth definitely fall into this category. Yeah they're great. But they're not guys you cheer for. They're the people you like watching get beat. Although Miz doesn’t do himself any favors by being much more likable in real life, while Seth has made it a lot easier to boo him in the last year or so.
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Post by Sparvid on Dec 21, 2020 21:59:09 GMT -5
I'd put Charlotte in the same category as wrestlers like Mr. Perfect, Jeff Jarrett, and Christian. These are wrestlers who I felt were type casted as heels to the point where they just weren't convincible during their babyface runs. And then the announcers act completly shocked and surprised when they eventually turn heel again.
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Post by XIII on Dec 21, 2020 22:06:44 GMT -5
Literally everything about her presentation screams heel.
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Post by mistery on Dec 21, 2020 22:30:56 GMT -5
Charlotte is pretty much unlikable, but they try to make her a face.
Not realizing that she's probably the worst seller in any wrestling promotion on the planet right now, and just screams heel.
So naturally WWE is going to try and turn Asuka heel when they inevitably split, just for it to massively backfire. Again. For the third time in roughly 1.5 years.
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