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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Dec 23, 2020 14:09:34 GMT -5
I mean its not breaking all contact of the pinner to that of who is being pinned cause you have the fall on them and they react and still the pin is stopped. But if I lay a finger on them I am guess its not enough to consider the pin null. So what's your kayfabe idea
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Dec 23, 2020 14:53:10 GMT -5
Bout tree fiddy.
For real though, you have to get 1 shoulder off the mat. That has been the rule as long as wrestling has been a thing. Even amateur wrestling.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Dec 23, 2020 16:40:16 GMT -5
Are we're talking about tag partners breaking up a pin? Kayfabe, I think it's the referee's discretion, if they feel the pinner's attention has shifted from the pinnee to the attacking opponent.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Dec 23, 2020 16:57:42 GMT -5
Are we're talking about tag partners breaking up a pin? Kayfabe, I think it's the referee's discretion, if they feel the pinner's attention has shifted from the pinnee to the attacking opponent. Yeah. If someone comes into break a pin, technically they are illegally in the ring. Even if they're on the apron, as managers and valets are want to do, it is the referee's job to keep them out of the ring.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball☝🏻 on Dec 23, 2020 17:24:04 GMT -5
Are we're talking about tag partners breaking up a pin? Kayfabe, I think it's the referee's discretion, if they feel the pinner's attention has shifted from the pinnee to the attacking opponent. Yeah. If someone comes into break a pin, technically they are illegally in the ring. Even if they're on the apron, as managers and valets are want to do, it is the referee's job to keep them out of the ring. I’ve always been an advocate of having two referees out there for tag matches. Keep the guys on the outside in line.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 23, 2020 18:29:05 GMT -5
Are we're talking about tag partners breaking up a pin? Kayfabe, I think it's the referee's discretion, if they feel the pinner's attention has shifted from the pinnee to the attacking opponent. My kayfabe for tag matches has always been "a tag match must end on an uninterrupted three count", so any physical contact by a partner automatically breaks the count.
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Post by 67 more on Dec 24, 2020 8:21:00 GMT -5
Are we're talking about tag partners breaking up a pin? Kayfabe, I think it's the referee's discretion, if they feel the pinner's attention has shifted from the pinnee to the attacking opponent. My kayfabe for tag matches has always been "a tag match must end on an uninterrupted three count", so any physical contact by a partner automatically breaks the count. Same as when in a last man standing match, any physical contact while the guy is down should stop the count
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Post by Triangle Lancer on Dec 25, 2020 10:07:52 GMT -5
There used to be a rule that you'd get one "free shot" at breaking up a pin in a tag match, although it was never really announced; it was one of those "unwritten rules" that existed. Usually the heels would take advantage of that with a kick to the head, and change the tide. The referee stops the count because he can't believe someone had the nerve to do that. "Hey, what the hell?! Anyone does that again and they're done!" (It's like in baseball: the umpire warning both benches after a tight fastball up and in too close to the head.)
You'd see that in some results: The British Bulldogs defeated the Hart Foundation by DQ when Jim Neidhart illegally broke up a pin attempt by Davey Boy Smith.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 25, 2020 10:15:44 GMT -5
I've always interpreted it as being up to the referee's discretion as far as whether the party is still in the fight or not. Some matches seem to require a shoulder up and off the mat, in others a shrug during the pinning attempt seems to be enough.
It's a subtle thing that I appreciate because it makes it feel more like an actual combat sport. The examples of MMA refs calling fights too early or too late are legion, so why should wrestling be different?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2020 13:17:16 GMT -5
There used to be a rule that you'd get one "free shot" at breaking up a pin in a tag match, although it was never really announced; it was one of those "unwritten rules" that existed. Usually the heels would take advantage of that with a kick to the head, and change the tide. The referee stops the count because he can't believe someone had the nerve to do that. "Hey, what the hell?! Anyone does that again and they're done!" (It's like in baseball: the umpire warning both benches after a tight fastball up and in too close to the head.) You'd see that in some results: The British Bulldogs defeated the Hart Foundation by DQ when Jim Neidhart illegally broke up a pin attempt by Davey Boy Smith. Moxley mentioned this on commentary once! Someone ran in and broke up a tag early in the match and Moxley - Ambrose at the time - went "That was stupid! He burned his tag!" meaning he couldn't break up anymore. It should ABSOLUTELY be a part of the rules that are commonly used, because people breaking pins up behind the refs back would be AMAZING heat.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Dec 25, 2020 13:53:01 GMT -5
It used to be that the intervening wrestler had to push/pull/roll the pinning wrestler off/away from the wrestler being pinned.
Then it seemed to change to just making contact with the pinning wrestler was enough to break the pin.
Personally I like the old way.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 25, 2020 19:48:14 GMT -5
There used to be a rule that you'd get one "free shot" at breaking up a pin in a tag match, although it was never really announced; it was one of those "unwritten rules" that existed. Usually the heels would take advantage of that with a kick to the head, and change the tide. The referee stops the count because he can't believe someone had the nerve to do that. "Hey, what the hell?! Anyone does that again and they're done!" (It's like in baseball: the umpire warning both benches after a tight fastball up and in too close to the head.) You'd see that in some results: The British Bulldogs defeated the Hart Foundation by DQ when Jim Neidhart illegally broke up a pin attempt by Davey Boy Smith. Moxley mentioned this on commentary once! Someone ran in and broke up a tag early in the match and Moxley - Ambrose at the time - went "That was stupid! He burned his tag!" meaning he couldn't break up anymore. It should ABSOLUTELY be a part of the rules that are commonly used, because people breaking pins up behind the refs back would be AMAZING heat. I liked ROH using Pure rules for a tag match at Final Battle: they used breaking up a pin the same way they use rope breaks in singles Pure matches, so you can only do up to three times. I don't need every tag match to be like that (e.g. there should be differences between "tag rules" matches and tag matches that bypass the rules to allow for more spots and brawling, etc.), but I like the idea that being tag champs requires being able to work within specific rules for the division.
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