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Post by sarkerpolseng on Dec 26, 2020 0:34:59 GMT -5
Well, for about 13 years, the ball was in Sting's court. He held out and time passed this match by.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 26, 2020 8:01:32 GMT -5
Maybe you should’ve jumped to WWE earlier if you wanted this Taker match so bad instead of dicking around in TNA dressing like a clown to be an accessory to a Bubba ray Dudley face turn. Yeah when he eventually went to WWE they really proved his fears to be totally unfounded with how well used he was
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Post by eJm on Dec 26, 2020 8:08:28 GMT -5
Maybe you should’ve jumped to WWE earlier if you wanted this Taker match so bad instead of dicking around in TNA dressing like a clown to be an accessory to a Bubba ray Dudley face turn. Yeah when he eventually went to WWE they really proved his fears to be totally unfounded with how well used he was I’ll flat out say if he came around that time, we’d be wishing for how he was treated when he eventually came in.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Dec 26, 2020 9:37:17 GMT -5
I never found his "fears" to be that "founded" anyway. The evidence he always used was a bit that The Rock did with everybody.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 26, 2020 9:41:32 GMT -5
The time he did finally get in was by all accounts the first time WWE was ever really offering Sting a worthwhile deal; TNA was always giving him money, and WWE wasn't making anything comparable because Vince didn't see the value in him. It's the same way that Goldberg's run is reportedly because Vince saw how much people actually liked Sting being in WWE and decided there was nostalgia money in WCW stars after all.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Dec 26, 2020 10:04:50 GMT -5
The time he did finally get in was by all accounts the first time WWE was ever really offering Sting a worthwhile deal; TNA was always giving him money, and WWE wasn't making anything comparable because Vince didn't see the value in him. It's the same way that Goldberg's run is reportedly because Vince saw how much people actually liked Sting being in WWE and decided there was nostalgia money in WCW stars after all. Duh Vince McMahon, Duh
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Post by eJm on Dec 26, 2020 10:18:40 GMT -5
The time he did finally get in was by all accounts the first time WWE was ever really offering Sting a worthwhile deal; TNA was always giving him money, and WWE wasn't making anything comparable because Vince didn't see the value in him. It's the same way that Goldberg's run is reportedly because Vince saw how much people actually liked Sting being in WWE and decided there was nostalgia money in WCW stars after all. This is the same company that spent a decade shitting on WCW then tried to sell DVDs about WCW that sold poorly so being slow on the uptake seemed to be a in house style.
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Post by Facetious on Dec 26, 2020 10:57:35 GMT -5
The time he did finally get in was by all accounts the first time WWE was ever really offering Sting a worthwhile deal; TNA was always giving him money, and WWE wasn't making anything comparable because Vince didn't see the value in him. It's the same way that Goldberg's run is reportedly because Vince saw how much people actually liked Sting being in WWE and decided there was nostalgia money in WCW stars after all. I mean, I know it's fun to shit on TNA, but they treated and paid him real well. MEM, AJ/Sting BFG 09, and his early run had some memorable stuff. I guarantee Sting would have been another victim of the Reign of Terror had he come in when he could. Sting was spot on with his fears of the company due to his WCW ties.
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Post by hassanchop on Dec 26, 2020 12:00:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 14:50:26 GMT -5
I hope this rise of cinematic matches doesn't result in a bunch of old timers doing them. I enjoyed them at Wrestlemania for the novelty and something different was definitely needed with no fans being in attendance but I don't want to see any "dream" matches being done cinematically. To me it's more fun for a match like Undertaker/Sting to go down in history as one of the big what-ifs than for it to happen as some Matt Hardy style cheap B movie special effect fest.
If you're at the stage of your career that you can't really bump and the only acceptable way you can pull off a "match" is by doing it like this then I dunno, maybe it's time you just retired? Sting is a legend but he's 61 years old for crying out loud. Hopefully Undertaker isn't tempted to come back either. He's another who should have retired at least 5 years earlier than he did.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 26, 2020 15:00:28 GMT -5
I never found his "fears" to be that "founded" anyway. The evidence he always used was a bit that The Rock did with everybody. And the evidence we also have is how badly nearly all WCW stars including him were treated when they did show up. Plus TNA later paid him well for fewer dates that weren't even on the road until years later. It doesn't matter how stupid his reasoning was for thinking they would use him badly. He was still right.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Dec 26, 2020 15:07:48 GMT -5
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Post by ChitownKnight on Dec 26, 2020 15:37:25 GMT -5
Sting has said he wanted a match with Taker for over 20 years. Never once did Taker ever say he wanted a match with Sting. That's all that needs to be said. I wonder if that’s why Taker and Cena never had a mania match until it was too late
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Post by A damn road sign on Dec 26, 2020 16:33:32 GMT -5
I never found his "fears" to be that "founded" anyway. The evidence he always used was a bit that The Rock did with everybody. I did always laugh that his whole basis on not coming over to WWF after the initial buyout was because he saw The Rock do his ‘who in the blue hell are you?!’ shtick to Booker T and viewed that as some huge slap in the face to WCW, as opposite to ya know, just Rock doing Rock things as he always did. Edit- and yeah, I know Taker’s new to the whole ‘real person interview’ circuit, but never has it came out over the years or during any of these that a Sting match has been anything he was ever that interested in. I’ve never seen the appeal myself either really, just because it’s spooky guy in black vs. another spooky guy in black? Meh.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Dec 26, 2020 16:55:41 GMT -5
I never found his "fears" to be that "founded" anyway. The evidence he always used was a bit that The Rock did with everybody. And the evidence we also have is how badly nearly all WCW stars including him were treated when they did show up. Plus TNA later paid him well for fewer dates that weren't even on the road until years later. It doesn't matter how stupid his reasoning was for thinking they would use him badly. He was still right. Rey, Eddie, Benoit*, Jericho, and Booker T all had legendary, hall of fame careers in WWE. You could argue Torrie Wilson, Stacy Kiebler, Shane Helms, and Goldberg found success in WWE. DDP's run might not have been great, but maybe he would have had more success if he were younger in WWE. I'm not trying to crap on TNA or what he did there. I didn't follow his run there closely but I've enjoyed what I've seen. I actually really liked his Joker Sting run, and that would've never happened in WWE. Just saying, there's plenty examples of WCW wrestlers that found success in WWE. If you're good, you're gonna find success no matter where you came from. *and no, Benoit shouldn't be in the hall of fame, but if you take away the double murder, he had a career worthy of it. Edit: and "even he" was treated like an absolute legend. The Mania match booking wasn't good, Sting should have won and the NWO/DX shouldn't have been involved. Take that out and every Sting appearance was treated as a HUGE deal. He didn't exactly get relentlessly buried.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 17:15:43 GMT -5
Wrestling in TNA for years also meant he could stay in Florida with his family.
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Post by RareTradU on Dec 26, 2020 18:42:13 GMT -5
I never found his "fears" to be that "founded" anyway. The evidence he always used was a bit that The Rock did with everybody. I did always laugh that his whole basis on not coming over to WWF after the initial buyout was because he saw The Rock do his ‘who in the blue hell are you?!’ shtick to Booker T and viewed that as some huge slap in the face to WCW, as opposite to ya know, just Rock doing Rock things as he always did. Edit- and yeah, I know Taker’s new to the whole ‘real person interview’ circuit, but never has it came out over the years or during any of these that a Sting match has been anything he was ever that interested in. I’ve never seen the appeal myself either really, just because it’s spooky guy in black vs. another spooky guy in black? Meh. I think the main appeal of Undertaker vs. Sting is a lot more than just "spooky guy in black vs. spooky guy in black". I mean sure the entrances and visuals that could be produced for this match would be great but I think the the reason wrestling fans have wanted this match for literally decades now is because it's the ultimate WWF vs. WCW match. Both guys are cornerstones of their respective companies without ever leaving. If it was going to happen it should've been years earlier to be a decent match up. Anytime from WrestleMania XX to WrestleMania 26 I think it could've passed as a good match with lots of "WrestleMania Moments",but after that I think that everyone involved including the fans would have been disappointed.
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Post by eJm on Dec 26, 2020 19:16:31 GMT -5
Edit: and "even he" was treated like an absolute legend. The Mania match booking wasn't good, Sting should have won and the NWO/DX shouldn't have been involved. Take that out and every Sting appearance was treated as a HUGE deal. He didn't exactly get relentlessly buried. Not being funny but that whole HHH/Sting feud was less built off “HOLY CRAP, IT’S STING AND HE’S FACING HHH!”, it was built off “Sting is the last part of WCW and WCW sucked so we can finally say we won the Monday Night Wars”. Like, even ignoring the match, who could possibly care about that? And I can’t really buy that when his next “feud” was against Seth after a long absence over a statue.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 26, 2020 19:25:30 GMT -5
A Sting/Taker match any time after roughly 2011 would have been ass, no matter what kind of bells and whistles they put on it
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Post by Sam Punk on Dec 27, 2020 2:11:52 GMT -5
I'm guessing taker didn't feel it was worth his time.
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