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Post by romanstylesiii on Dec 24, 2020 17:15:38 GMT -5
Thinking of The Nexus and how over Wade Barrett was as a main eventer. I get the 'old guard' in the WWE thinking Wade was too new to win the title and Metlzer reported that too many of them told Vince not to give him the title.
The issue is, Wade never came close to getting that over again. If he was given the title at that time, the entire perception would have likely changed and everyone would have seen him as a main eventer.
Pointless WWE politics killed his momentum
More instances?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 24, 2020 17:18:28 GMT -5
How much time you got? Could be here a while LOL.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 24, 2020 17:18:35 GMT -5
Kofi in 2009. Dude was over as hell, "Kofi" chants for days. He got a feud with Randy Orton, but it never went anywhere. Took a decade for him to become a World Champion, and I was surprised even that happened.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Dec 24, 2020 17:22:33 GMT -5
Cesaro. Multiple times. Too bad he's so Swiss.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 24, 2020 17:26:06 GMT -5
Seriously, though... I’d love to see the alternate timeline where they actual go with as many of these as they possibly can, because I’d feel like there’s a possibility that some guys actually getting the ball means that others don’t necessarily get into the ball game, so to speak.
The one that always comes to mind to me in that context is heel R-Truth. That act really refreshed him at the time, but how would him winning the world title have affected the next storyline up... CM Punk’s whole “pipebomb” thing? That wouldn’t hit as hard if he was railing against R-Truth instead of John Cena. I don’t know. Maybe you try and keep R-Truth hot maybe as the MITB holder instead of Alberto Del Rio.
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Post by chronocross on Dec 24, 2020 17:27:27 GMT -5
Braun Strowman in 2017-2018, he was on fire killing everyone in sight, then he gets fed to Brock and is messing around with 2 goofy comedians at a WrestleMania preshow.
He gets the belt later on but it's not the same momentum he had previously.
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Post by mattyy on Dec 24, 2020 17:27:57 GMT -5
Seriously, though... I’d love to see the alternate timeline where they actual go with as many of these as they possibly can, because I’d feel like there’s a possibility that some guys actually getting the ball means that others don’t necessarily get into the ball game, so to speak. The one that always comes to mind to me in that context is heel R-Truth. That act really refreshed him at the time, but how would him winning the world title have affected the next storyline up... CM Punk’s whole “pipebomb” thing? That wouldn’t hit as hard if he was railing against R-Truth instead of John Cena. I don’t know. Maybe you try and keep R-Truth hot maybe as the MITB holder instead of Del Rio. Or at least give him the US or IC title. Like dude was so good until they turned him face.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Dec 24, 2020 17:33:09 GMT -5
Punk Barrett Ryback, though he sucked.
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Post by salz4life on Dec 24, 2020 17:33:33 GMT -5
Braun Strowman in 2017-2018, he was on fire killing everyone in sight, then he gets fed to Brock and is messing around with 2 goofy comedians at a WrestleMania preshow. He gets the belt later on but it's not the same momentum he had previously. That's who I was coming to post.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Dec 24, 2020 17:33:52 GMT -5
Santino, twice.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 24, 2020 17:42:37 GMT -5
RVD in 2001.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 24, 2020 17:47:33 GMT -5
Punk Barrett Ryback, though he sucked. I mean they did pull the trigger on Punk imo
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 24, 2020 17:50:10 GMT -5
Also, I forget what year it was, but Zack Ryder when he was mega over. From what I've seen around here, it seems like the consensus these days is that it was actually the right decision to hold him down. But to me, it was so blatantly bitter Vince McMahon garbage because he was mad Ryder got over on his own. He didn't need to be World Champ (though I maintain that if he was presented more like he was as ECW Champion, he could have been) but he should have gotten better than he got.
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Post by eJm on Dec 24, 2020 17:57:06 GMT -5
Also, I forget what year it was, but Zack Ryder when he was mega over. From what I've seen around here, it seems like the consensus these days is that it was actually the right decision to hold him down. But to me, it was so blatantly bitter Vince McMahon garbage because he was mad Ryder got over on his own. He didn't need to be World Champ (though I maintain that if he was presented more like he was as ECW Champion, he could have been) but he should have gotten better than he got. Yeah, still kind of mad about this, especially with basically how he and Colt changed the business in ways that still kind of go under appreciated now. Especially around the time when the gulf between the main event to everyone else was one of the widest it had ever been, an over Midcarder that could help make that part of the card feel like something important and not feeding time for HHH or Cena was really needed. Instead we got...*waves hands around*.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 24, 2020 17:58:07 GMT -5
Also, I forget what year it was, but Zack Ryder when he was mega over. From what I've seen around here, it seems like the consensus these days is that it was actually the right decision to hold him down. But to me, it was so blatantly bitter Vince McMahon garbage because he was mad Ryder got over on his own. He didn't need to be World Champ (though I maintain that if he was presented more like he was as ECW Champion, he could have been) but he should have gotten better than he got. 2011 into 2012. I mean, let’s be honest. He didn’t really have such depth of talent to go any higher up than the IC/US level he topped out at (I wouldn’t put him at the same level as, say, Cena, Punk or Bryan), but you could have gotten him a nice US title run going in and out of WrestleMania, and if he’d dropped the thing at Extreme Rules or whatever, hey, that’s five months, you’ve given him an honest shot. Instead...
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Post by eJm on Dec 24, 2020 18:02:30 GMT -5
Also, I forget what year it was, but Zack Ryder when he was mega over. From what I've seen around here, it seems like the consensus these days is that it was actually the right decision to hold him down. But to me, it was so blatantly bitter Vince McMahon garbage because he was mad Ryder got over on his own. He didn't need to be World Champ (though I maintain that if he was presented more like he was as ECW Champion, he could have been) but he should have gotten better than he got. 2011 into 2012. I mean, let’s be honest. He didn’t really have such depth of talent to really go any higher up than the IC/US level he topped out at (I wouldn’t put him at the same level as, say, Cena, Punk or Bryan), but you could have gotten him a nice US title run going in and out of WrestleMania, and if he’d dropped the thing at Extreme Rules or whatever, hey, that’s five months, you’ve given him an honest shot. Instead... Absolutely not, even as a big fan of his, I knew his level and would have been happy to at least start something in the US/IC picture. Like I said, you couldn’t pay people to give a shit about the Midcard at that time and the fact people actually cared about a midcarder and he earned that by doing the thing you say you want people to do...that’s something that happens more in 2020 (Ask newest ROH signee Danhausen, AEW’s Eddie Kingston, WWE’s Ben Carter etc) and really, hadn’t been a thing since the Attitude Era.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 24, 2020 18:06:45 GMT -5
Fandango was king shit of the universe at Wrestlemania.
Took less than 1 day to cut his knees out from under him with lame announcer bullshit.
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Post by Chiral on Dec 24, 2020 18:08:32 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 18:12:56 GMT -5
The handling of Rusev and Braun were big time factors in my realization that weekly viewing was not going to be a long term thing for me.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Dec 24, 2020 18:16:51 GMT -5
Jericho in early/mid 2000. He was over huge and got an enormous reaction when he won the title in that match on Raw that had a Dusty finish, and they responded to that by not only failing to pull the trigger on him when he was hot, but by having him lose every PPV match he had for the next six months.
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