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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Dec 26, 2020 18:31:25 GMT -5
I didn’t go see it when it premiered cuz I was just in a bad place at the time and just wasn’t going out much. After it came out, I heard from a lot of people who’s opinion I respect say it was really bad so I just didn’t bother watching it. I’ve been on a Star Wars kick due to the mandalorian, so I decided to throw on Rise of Skywalker. Holy shit, was it bad. It was like a sequel to a movie that doesn’t exist. I wasn’t a big fan of The Last Jedi, but I enjoyed it a lot more than The Force Awakens and thought it touched upon some interesting themes and set up some cool ideas for a follow up. This movie seemed to completely ignore almost everything that took place in it’s predecessor. Palpatine returning was intriguing back when I saw the first trailer and his return is relegated to the first paragraph of the opening crawl. Never explained other than “well, the force? Maybe a clone?” he’s just back now. All the characters that aren’t Kylo or Rey get the same treatment non-Saiyans get in DBZ. The ending battle was actually pretty dope and would’ve been great had anything else leading up to it made any sense.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 26, 2020 18:37:43 GMT -5
I enjoyed it more the second time around when I just looked at it as: "This isn't how I woulda wanted things to play out, but this is the movie we got."
Through that lens, the things I liked about it I still like, those that I don't are whatever.
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Post by schizo on Dec 26, 2020 18:39:36 GMT -5
Dare I say it was worse than AOTC, And that was my least favorite Star Wars movie ever. Rise of Skywalker was just trash IMO
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Post by chrom on Dec 26, 2020 18:57:35 GMT -5
I can explain it all.
Midichlorians.
*dodges tomatoes*
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 26, 2020 19:06:48 GMT -5
At the very least Filoni seems to be making an effort with stuff like Mando to fill in the gaps with this trilogy the same way he did with Clone Wars&the prequels.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 26, 2020 19:16:30 GMT -5
I posted on twitter recently.
It was perfectly... cromulent.
it was clear a rush job for Abrams to try and get his story back from where Rian left it... (And I liked LJ)
It really is the cap of... Disney's absolutely insane way of trying to write a trilogy... without... having a story in mind for one.
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Post by Hurbster on Dec 26, 2020 19:32:42 GMT -5
Er, it wasn't as bad as last Jedi.
Just.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 20:23:35 GMT -5
I've yet to ser it. A friend of mine who's a huge Star Wars fan absolutely despises it. He loved Last Jedi though.
I should just watch it but I'm limited with time these days and my gf isn't a Star Wars fan.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Dec 26, 2020 21:01:54 GMT -5
I enjoyed it more the second time around when I just looked at it as: "This isn't how I woulda wanted things to play out, but this is the movie we got." Through that lens, the things I liked about it I still like, those that I don't are whatever. See, I’m not as invested in Star Wars as I was when I was younger, so I didn’t really have a vision of how I wanted it to end. I just assumed they would address some things brought up in the last film and they instead pretended it never happened. I was mostly looking forward to see some force ghost Luke and Kylo shenanigans hinted by Luke’s “I’ll see ya around, kid” before he died.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 26, 2020 21:30:44 GMT -5
That's cool, I mainly meant how it made things more enjoyable for me. YMMV.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Dec 26, 2020 22:19:29 GMT -5
Derrick from Mega 64 described it as if the coolest 12-year-old ever wrote a fanfic, and it became a Star Wars movie. That's still the most accurate description of it I've heard thus far.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Dec 26, 2020 22:29:29 GMT -5
That's cool, I mainly meant how it made things more enjoyable for me. YMMV. Totally, sorry if that came off as me refuting your point.
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Post by DerktheDerk on Dec 26, 2020 22:54:37 GMT -5
I recently rewatched it hoping that I would somehow magically not hate it. Yeah, I still hate it. In my opinion, Force Awakens, Last Jedi, and RotS are all almost as terrible as the prequels. To be fair, I thought Force Awakens was okay, but those other two are awful. I just watch the original trilogy and pretend there were no more movies after Return of the Jedi.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 26, 2020 23:41:14 GMT -5
I recently rewatched it hoping that I would somehow magically not hate it. Yeah, I still hate it. In my opinion, Force Awakens, Last Jedi, and RotS are all almost as terrible as the prequels. To be fair, I thought Force Awakens was okay, but those other two are awful. I just watch the original trilogy and pretend there were no more movies after Return of the Jedi. They are differently terrible. The sequels feel focus group written by marketers and directed by two directors who hate each other and possibly the movies themselves doing a planlesss point/counterpoint in what is supposed to be a trilogy. The prequels suffer from a sterile aesthetic and badly crafted and directed dialogue. Throw a good dialogue writer or better actor’s director over the prequel films and you get something better. It generated great spinoff stuff like Clone Wars. There is no easy fix for the sequel trilogy. I’m perfectly fine never watching the prequel films or sequel films ever again.
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Post by adamclark52 on Dec 26, 2020 23:58:24 GMT -5
I recently rewatched it hoping that I would somehow magically not hate it. Yeah, I still hate it. In my opinion, Force Awakens, Last Jedi, and RotS are all almost as terrible as the prequels. To be fair, I thought Force Awakens was okay, but those other two are awful. I just watch the original trilogy and pretend there were no more movies after Return of the Jedi. The last two were both terrible in totally different ways, but terrible none the less I put Rise of the Skywalker lower though because it is just a mess of a movie. Nothing redeeming.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 27, 2020 0:11:45 GMT -5
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Post by Larryhausen on Dec 27, 2020 0:29:36 GMT -5
It's not perfect, and I understand the BTS reasons why, but I've seen it like 10 times and I still enjoy the hell out of it.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 27, 2020 0:37:30 GMT -5
sorry, got to quibble with that joke. if it was written by Reddit, the thing Finn never told Rey was he actually died in the lightsaber fight with Kylo Ren in "Force Awakens" and she's just been imagining him the entire time ...and double-twist, Poe actually died in the TIE Fighter crash in "Force Awakens" too, so she's been imagining Finn who's been imagining him the entire time!
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Dec 27, 2020 0:41:33 GMT -5
I recently rewatched it hoping that I would somehow magically not hate it. Yeah, I still hate it. In my opinion, Force Awakens, Last Jedi, and RotS are all almost as terrible as the prequels. To be fair, I thought Force Awakens was okay, but those other two are awful. I just watch the original trilogy and pretend there were no more movies after Return of the Jedi. They are differently terrible. The sequels feel focus group written by marketers and directed by two directors who hate each other and possibly the movies themselves doing a planlesss point/counterpoint in what is supposed to be a trilogy. The prequels suffer from a sterile aesthetic and badly crafted and directed dialogue. Throw a good dialogue writer or better actor’s director over the prequel films and you get something better. It generated great spinoff stuff like Clone Wars. There is no easy fix for the sequel trilogy. I’m perfectly fine never watching the prequel films or sequel films ever again. I’d say I enjoyed Revenge of the Sith more than Rise of Skywalker, but yeah the prequels have different problems than the sequels. One of the things I liked about the sequels are people talk relatively like real people (albeit a little overly quippy) but the sequels feel like I’m watching a wannabe Shakespearean play. It’s like painfully obvious everyone in the prequels are reciting lines written for them.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 27, 2020 1:01:34 GMT -5
They are differently terrible. The sequels feel focus group written by marketers and directed by two directors who hate each other and possibly the movies themselves doing a planlesss point/counterpoint in what is supposed to be a trilogy. The prequels suffer from a sterile aesthetic and badly crafted and directed dialogue. Throw a good dialogue writer or better actor’s director over the prequel films and you get something better. It generated great spinoff stuff like Clone Wars. There is no easy fix for the sequel trilogy. I’m perfectly fine never watching the prequel films or sequel films ever again. I’d say I enjoyed Revenge of the Sith more than Rise of Skywalker, but yeah the prequels have different problems than the sequels. One of the things I liked about the sequels are people talk relatively like real people (albeit a little overly quippy) but the sequels feel like I’m watching a wannabe Shakespearean play. It’s like painfully obvious everyone in the prequels are reciting lines written for them. the prequels were a coherent story told poorly. the dialogue especially just flat out not how people speak not to mention poor comedy... the sequels are an incoherent story told for the most part well. The Sequel trilogy is just flat out not a trilogy. It was not written like one, it was 2 different directors and writers with completely different plans for the series... and no overarching story to be told. They needed someone to be the Kevin Feige to state flat out from the beginning... ok ... Rey and Finn are going to be the main characters of this franchise... in the first one Rey finds that she's force sensitive... and we'll hint at Finn being one too... and then have plot points written out that must be hit for 2 and then the ending point at 3. instead it was... ok here's the first movie with a bunch of dangling threads Last Jedi basically severs all of them... and ends honestly pretty conclusively... and then Abrams is brought back and sees that literally none of his plans fit any more ... and he basically bashes them into place.
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