Post by Eye Heart Converse on Dec 27, 2020 1:51:27 GMT -5
I hated it the first time. Not even in a sense that it was terrible like Phantom Menace or something, more in the sense that this is supposed to be the conclusion of the Skywalker story (yeah right) and it just seemed so "meh".
The second time I watched it I had watched the sequels as a trilogy and it seemed much better. Still not one of the better Star Wars movies, but when you consider JJ Abrams was essentially trying to undo The Last Jedi and finish the story of the main Star Wars characters
it was clear a rush job for Abrams to try and get his story back from where Rian left it... (And I liked LJ)
It really is the cap of... Disney's absolutely insane way of trying to write a trilogy... without... having a story in mind for one.
It wasn't Rian's fault. J.J. had to rush to take over because Trevorrow wrote a really stupid movie that he didn't want to change.
Rise of Skywalker is where I fully stopped listening to anyone's opinion on anything Star Wars related. So much said about the sequel trilogy was negative to be negative that I refused to listen anymore. I'd rather watch and make up my own mind.
Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 27, 2020 3:19:48 GMT -5
I didn't like it, but I didn't like TLJ either.
I think Force Awakens was fun, everyone knows and sort of acknowledges it's just A New Hope with a new hat.
TLJ felt like it went out of it's way to be a Game of Thrones TV Executive style of, "We subverted your expectations, so that means it's good!" bullshit. TROS felt like, "Well, okay, that didn't work so here's 8 movies worth of stuff crammed into two and a half hours."
They probably shouldn't have rushed to kill Luke off.
I can't really hate on Last Jedi because at least it tried something different instead of just going, "Let's just play the 40-year-old hits." I do think the movie faltered quite a bit in how by the end of it it basically doesn't leave enough lingering plot points to really set up for a sequel, but I don't think the solution to that was, "Let's just spend the whole runtime of the sequel undoing the last movie."
Post by Jonathan Michaels’s Brother on Dec 27, 2020 4:03:02 GMT -5
Rise of Skywalker was like when you’re playing robber as kids, one kid starts refusing to lose, says you missed and he’s bulletproof anyway but he totally shot you. So all the other kids tacitly agree to declare him the winner forever, truly the best at robber and when he asks what the next game is, you all say you’re going home, but really you’re all just going to ditch him and go play somewhere else.
Disney listened to the whiny crybabies talking about how Last Jedi “ruined everything woke SJW yada yada” and responded like this.
“You know what, fine, you win, here you go, this is what you wanted, right? Rey’s family was super important after all and Kylo turns good and Luke and Han come back and we got rid of that dumb girl Rose and WE GAVE CHEWIE A GODDAMNED MEDAL! ARE YOU FRICKING HAPPY NOW? ARE YOU?!?!?!?!?! “
Post by Platyconda Mod don't want none on Dec 27, 2020 4:14:18 GMT -5
I mean the Rey's parents being someone important was kinda setup in the first movie too... and the only person that stated she was a no one in Last Jedi was Kylo who was openly gaslighting her.
Which is one of the many reasons why Kylo shouldn't have been turned good...
I don't hate Rose and thought her character was fine but she was kind've a superfluous character already even in the movie she was important for... cause even in that one even if I liked the idea that they did the million to one odds and it failed thing you could have cut that ENTIRE side plot and nothing really changes in the movie.
and really the only thing she seemed to do was block the Finn/Rey story the first movie setup... as well as ignore that Finn was meant to be a force sensitive main character too...
Also I heard rumors that in the original treatment Rose was originally going to be doing a lot of stuff with Leia... and clearly that couldn't happen without them pissing a lot of people off.
It sucks the actress got way too much unnecessary Bullshit... and was then was barely in the next movie... but when you're trying to make a coherent trilogy ender with little actual dangling plot threads it's hard to give everyone something.
and again I liked Last Jedi it works better as a stand alone movie and not part of a trilogy however... cause again that is basically how it was written... and that is entirely on Disney for not having a f***ing plan.
Post by Welfare Willis on Dec 27, 2020 8:51:22 GMT -5
For me, the last jedi is a movie you don't make as a middle film in a trilogy. If Rian Johnson took some of the ideas as the first film in a planned trilogy, maybe it would have worked better. The idea of subverting the tropes of the skywalker saga. But we know now the original idea of giving three different directors each with their own styles and visions to helm a blockbuster trilogy with no real backbone of where this was heading failed. It would have been better if Disney would have convinced JJ to stay for all three films so he wouldn't have to course correct so dramatically after the last jedi.
It's just odd. Disney gave the reigns of TLJ to a director who made a divisive film for the community. I'm not defending TLJ (and if you read my posts after the TLJ release I was meh to hating it), but some people did like it and even more so after RoSky. Disney execs really meddled in RoSky and it's a film I don't think anybody likes due to it's pacing issues and overcorrecting the perceived flaws of TLJ.
Post by Clash Fights for Freedom on Dec 27, 2020 9:44:51 GMT -5
While I did have fun watching all of the Disney SW films, I will admit the story is very jumbled when compared to the prior six and Rise of Skywalker has a pretty messy plot. The difference between them and the prequels is how superior the VII-VIII-IX performances are and better direction overall. Episodes 1-3 had a functional plot with good long term planning, their issue was Lucas’ over direction and weak dialogue.
Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Dec 27, 2020 10:22:23 GMT -5
still not enough screen time to show all the story, i know there were tie limits and such, oh how what it could have been if it was two parts ...
mcdiarmid steals the bloody show, the editing and sound design of the exegol sequence at the beginning is exceptional a grand day out with very different styles and maguffins to collect, but it still had that soak of the star wars universe seeping in it
and there was me saying after my first viewing at the start of the year in the cinema, that it was NOT KINETIC ENOUGH ... wot an idiot!
Along with some friends I spent a cold night on the streets of London last December, queuing up so that I could attend the UK premiere of TROS. Then, on virtually no sleep, we all went to the midnight premiere of it.
I enjoyed TFA and loved TLJ. But TROS was a mess. Too much happened too quickly so none of the emotional beats hit (apart from maybe the scene with Han and Kylo) and the lack of explanation about Palpatine's return just summed it all up, really.
Post by BorneAgain on Dec 27, 2020 11:27:44 GMT -5
Last Jedi is definitely an objectively better movie, but the train wreck schlock nature of Rise of Skywalker meant I enjoyed watching it more. As time has gone on, I've found the entire sequel trilogy is more just fun to view as a crazy Elseworlds take on post ROTJ Star Wars than anything else.
I’d say I enjoyed Revenge of the Sith more than Rise of Skywalker, but yeah the prequels have different problems than the sequels. One of the things I liked about the sequels are people talk relatively like real people (albeit a little overly quippy) but the sequels feel like I’m watching a wannabe Shakespearean play. It’s like painfully obvious everyone in the prequels are reciting lines written for them.
the prequels were a coherent story told poorly.
the dialogue especially just flat out not how people speak not to mention poor comedy...
the sequels are an incoherent story told for the most part well.
The Sequel trilogy is just flat out not a trilogy.
It was not written like one, it was 2 different directors and writers with completely different plans for the series... and no overarching story to be told.
They needed someone to be the Kevin Feige to state flat out from the beginning... ok ... Rey and Finn are going to be the main characters of this franchise... in the first one Rey finds that she's force sensitive... and we'll hint at Finn being one too... and then have plot points written out that must be hit for 2 and then the ending point at 3.
instead it was... ok here's the first movie with a bunch of dangling threads
Last Jedi basically severs all of them... and ends honestly pretty conclusively...
and then Abrams is brought back and sees that literally none of his plans fit any more ... and he basically bashes them into place.
A lot of Rise of the Skywalker came across as a director poking fun at another director (see Luke catching the lightsaber)