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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 28, 2020 2:32:44 GMT -5
If Disney was smart, they would add specialty fries to their Star Wars land.
The Fries of Skywalker.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 2:59:51 GMT -5
If Disney was smart, they would add specialty fries to their Star Wars land. The Fries of Skywalker. Just start a Star Wars bakery. The Ryes of Skywalker.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 28, 2020 3:02:30 GMT -5
If Disney was smart, they would add specialty fries to their Star Wars land. The Fries of Skywalker. Just start a Star Wars bakery. The Ryes of Skywalker. You're not thinking specialized enough, that's too broad. You want breakfast? You go over to Bagel Fett. All the kids will be like, "Bagel Fett!? Where!?"
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 28, 2020 3:29:43 GMT -5
Just start a Star Wars bakery. The Ryes of Skywalker. You're not thinking specialized enough, that's too broad. You want breakfast? You go over to Bagel Fett. All the kids will be like, "Bagel Fett!? Where!?" You want specialised? How about Star Wars-themed chewing tobacco- Chewbacco.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 28, 2020 5:24:33 GMT -5
Saying Rise of Skywalker sucks doesn't mean you don't love Star Wars. You can enjoy Star Wars and still retain actual standards for quality. The Mandalorian is a vastly superior sequel saga than anything vomited out theatrically by Kennedy and her cronies. ...you do know that Kennedy also oversees all the Star Wars projects on Disney+, Mando included, right? Depends on her role. Her fingerprints were all over the sequel trilogy and it showed. If she's learned her lesson and simply hired people who actually know what they are doing while keeping herself away from the actual creative process, that would be a good idea.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 28, 2020 8:14:22 GMT -5
I already said: because it makes no sense in-universe, since it’s not something any Jedi character has seriously argued before. It’s a strawman argument which comes out of nowhere, and since it doesn’t make sense in universe, and given how often everything to justify this film’s plot falls back on metatextualism, I can only assume the intent was metatextual. That's my point: I have no idea where that criticism is coming from. It's not a strawman: the Jedi fail, and fail a lot. They win the battles, yes, but the galaxy as we see it is never at peace, the whole "hold back/destroy the dark side" thing never works because there's always another dark side threat rising, and the dogmatic set-up of the Jedi shown in the prequel trilogy has zero ability to detect Palpatine or his motives. The argument is that falling back on a simplistic light/dark dichotomy rather than exploring the real meaning of "balance", a word that was used with no actual purpose whatsoever in the prequels, will just lead to more conflict. It's definitely metatextual, but there's enough in the text to make it relevant, too. But even if it WAS only metatextual...how is it "mean spirited"? How is it telling fans "you're not welcomed"? I don't understand that, and I don't think there's any answer I've ever heard or read that's ever made any sense to me about that, and I say that as someone who spent my age 10-14 years more obsessed with Star Wars than just about anything else you could imagine. Again, if anything I went into that relieved that someone in these damn movies was actually talking about trying something different for once...and my grand disappointment, both with the end of episode 8 and the entire synopsis of episode 9, ended up being "Oh, they weren't serious about doing something different, were they?" Like Red Letter Media said on Half in the Bag (the HitB reviews were a LOT better than the Plinkett ones for the sequels): "Star Wars has no more stories to tell", because we can't accept that a series that was never meant to be more than one movie and then a couple of sequels in the early 80s might have to evolve if it wants to remain relevant and interesting 40+ years on once it's become a full-on franchise.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 28, 2020 8:21:11 GMT -5
The entire point of the prequels is how the Jedi allowed themselves to become arrogant and not see the danger right in front of their faces until it was too late.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 28, 2020 8:26:37 GMT -5
The entire point of the prequels is how the Jedi allowed themselves to become arrogant and not see the danger right in front of their faces until it was too late. They didn't even realize that balance to the force could mean something other than their great victory.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 28, 2020 9:11:48 GMT -5
The entire point of the prequels is how the Jedi allowed themselves to become arrogant and not see the danger right in front of their faces until it was too late. They didn't even realize that balance to the force could mean something other than their great victory. Yeah, like I said I still think Lucas' biggest blown opportunity with the prequels (well, besides "better scripting" and "better acting direction" and the like) was not making it 100% clear that the Jedi had lost their way, as if he was scared that doing so might make some of the new characters less marketable. Like, it was right there: Mace Windu was super powerful, but could that power come at a price, in this case the ability to see the threat right under his nose? Qui-Gon Jinn was said to be a somewhat "rebellious" Jedi Master, but did we really see that outside of his insistence on training Anakin? We never really heard how his philosophy differed from the others, so maybe he could've been a sort of Jedi hippie calling for them to go back to their roots. Obi-Wan tells us in Return of the Jedi "I thought I could train him as well as Yoda...I was wrong", but again we don't really get a feeling for what Obi-Wan's failures are, outside of "He was away on a mission while Palpatine was seducing Anakin back on Coruscant." And again, you've got 900 year old Yoda who could lament the dogmatism and arrogance he sees, but is treated like "Oh, yeah, the old guy, we keep him around because he's Yoda but we don't really listen to him". It'd really explain him going to Dagobah after Palpatine's rise: he knows the Jedi have to go back to the living Force, the kind he describes in ESB, and move away from things like relying on genetics/midichlorians/whatever and embrace the idea that all life has the Force flowing through it, etc. The sequel trilogy might've wound up incoherent and seemingly pointless given the lack of a story structure before they started filming it, but the prequels just infuriate me because they could have been really good, but instead just sucked...yes, including Revenge of the Sith, that sucked, too.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Dec 28, 2020 9:25:26 GMT -5
If Disney was smart, they would add specialty fries to their Star Wars land. The Fries of Skywalker. Would they be multicolored fries to look like lightsabers?
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 28, 2020 13:16:31 GMT -5
The entire point of the prequels is how the Jedi allowed themselves to become arrogant and not see the danger right in front of their faces until it was too late. The problem is that Lucas made the Jedi look dumb, rather than arrogant. In order to write his "rise of the empire" plotline, he had to make the Jedi stupid.
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 28, 2020 14:29:16 GMT -5
The entire point of the prequels is how the Jedi allowed themselves to become arrogant and not see the danger right in front of their faces until it was too late. The problem is that Lucas made the Jedi look dumb, rather than arrogant. In order to write his "rise of the empire" plotline, he had to make the Jedi stupid. Still love how the Jedi just trusted a clone army that they not only didn't order, but when they learned about it from Obi-Wan, didn't even inquire about the programming beyond a simple tour of the learning facility. Like, Palpatine's plan could easily have been defeated if anyone bothered to ask who the clones were programmed to report to.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 28, 2020 16:04:07 GMT -5
The problem is that Lucas made the Jedi look dumb, rather than arrogant. In order to write his "rise of the empire" plotline, he had to make the Jedi stupid. Still love how the Jedi just trusted a clone army that they not only didn't order, but when they learned about it from Obi-Wan, didn't even inquire about the programming beyond a simple tour of the learning facility. Like, Palpatine's plan could easily have been defeated if anyone bothered to ask who the clones were programmed to report to. What's funny, in a very sad sort of way, is we saw the exact same thing play out in real life at the time AOTC came out.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 28, 2020 16:06:35 GMT -5
The problem is that Lucas made the Jedi look dumb, rather than arrogant. In order to write his "rise of the empire" plotline, he had to make the Jedi stupid. Still love how the Jedi just trusted a clone army that they not only didn't order, but when they learned about it from Obi-Wan, didn't even inquire about the programming beyond a simple tour of the learning facility. Like, Palpatine's plan could easily have been defeated if anyone bothered to ask who the clones were programmed to report to. Especially when teh clone army was ordered by a dead guy...
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 28, 2020 16:09:24 GMT -5
You can tell the actors and actresses playing the non-force using characters from their interviews.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 28, 2020 19:35:12 GMT -5
I want to say something nice about all the Star Wars movies since the original trilogy: they all have PHENOMENAL cgi for their eras. Just spectacular.
It completely shocks me to watch a Star Wars movie and then to watch any other big-budget, studio flick, because it's just night and day. Marvel movies are often really good, but damn the cgi looks awful; the only times it kinda works is when looking weird is kinda the point, like in Dr. Strange. It blows me away: how can these huge budget movies look like shitty video games during most of the fight scenes, when Star Wars movies look so amazing?
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 28, 2020 20:36:39 GMT -5
I want to say something nice about all the Star Wars movies since the original trilogy: they all have PHENOMENAL cgi for their eras. Just spectacular. It completely shocks me to watch a Star Wars movie and then to watch any other big-budget, studio flick, because it's just night and day. Marvel movies are often really good, but damn the cgi looks awful; the only times it kinda works is when looking weird is kinda the point, like in Dr. Strange. It blows me away: how can these huge budget movies look like shitty video games during most of the fight scenes, when Star Wars movies look so amazing? I think it is primarily a question of how much they can get for the CGI budget. For example, Black Panther was notably bad with its CGI. Disney wasn’t going to spend Star Wars cgi money on it when it was a bigger risk. Of course, Star Wars also has a reputation as a groundbreaking special effects series to live up to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 20:37:22 GMT -5
If there's 1 thing the sequels (or really any of the Disney SW material) must not be criticized about, it's the special effects. Especially the choice to return to using so many practical effects.
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Post by Rican on Dec 28, 2020 22:31:29 GMT -5
I’ve been doing a rewatch of all of Star Wars and don’t even want to go back to this really. I loved Last Jedi and was disappointed they just tossed it all out the window.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Dec 28, 2020 23:24:52 GMT -5
They didn't even realize that balance to the force could mean something other than their great victory. Yeah, like I said I still think Lucas' biggest blown opportunity with the prequels (well, besides "better scripting" and "better acting direction" and the like) was not making it 100% clear that the Jedi had lost their way, as if he was scared that doing so might make some of the new characters less marketable. Like, it was right there: Mace Windu was super powerful, but could that power come at a price, in this case the ability to see the threat right under his nose? Qui-Gon Jinn was said to be a somewhat "rebellious" Jedi Master, but did we really see that outside of his insistence on training Anakin? We never really heard how his philosophy differed from the others, so maybe he could've been a sort of Jedi hippie calling for them to go back to their roots. Obi-Wan tells us in Return of the Jedi "I thought I could train him as well as Yoda...I was wrong", but again we don't really get a feeling for what Obi-Wan's failures are, outside of "He was away on a mission while Palpatine was seducing Anakin back on Coruscant." And again, you've got 900 year old Yoda who could lament the dogmatism and arrogance he sees, but is treated like "Oh, yeah, the old guy, we keep him around because he's Yoda but we don't really listen to him". It'd really explain him going to Dagobah after Palpatine's rise: he knows the Jedi have to go back to the living Force, the kind he describes in ESB, and move away from things like relying on genetics/midichlorians/whatever and embrace the idea that all life has the Force flowing through it, etc. The sequel trilogy might've wound up incoherent and seemingly pointless given the lack of a story structure before they started filming it, but the prequels just infuriate me because they could have been really good, but instead just sucked...yes, including Revenge of the Sith, that sucked, too. Phantom Menace attempted to set this whole narriative up while also setting up about 8 other different narriatives, most of which were really cool! But Lucas's takeaway for AotC was to just oversimplify the metanarriative and double down on the character drama which no one ever watched Star Wars for and was the absolute worst part of Lucas's writing.
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