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Post by The Barber on Dec 30, 2020 9:09:14 GMT -5
I've defended the 1999 Rumble numerous times and is my favorite Rumble.
1. It told a story. The McMahon-Austin story was still hot and this Rumble was a continuation of it.
2. I was okay with the empty ring because, realistically, why wouldn't there be an empty ring sometimes. Drew Carey came to an empty ring and...ok, bad example.
3. The Oddities got a reaction from the crowd that most of the wrestlers today would kill for.
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Post by WR91 on Dec 30, 2020 9:13:35 GMT -5
I've defended the 1999 Rumble numerous times and is my favorite Rumble. 1. It told a story. The McMahon-Austin story was still hot and this Rumble was a continuation of it. 2. I was okay with the empty ring because, realistically, why wouldn't there be an empty ring sometimes. Drew Carey came to an empty ring and...ok, bad example. 3. The Oddities got a reaction from the crowd that most of the wrestlers today would kill for. I know it's a bit off topic but the 1999 Royal Rumble is not only my favorite Rumble but one of my top five favorite PPV's of all time. Yeah, I said it.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 30, 2020 11:45:52 GMT -5
Yep. It was complete nonsense and not even in a remotely good way
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Post by Pensacola Tableheads on Dec 30, 2020 12:01:14 GMT -5
I will forever defend 2015.
2010 can f*** right off though.
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Post by eJm on Dec 30, 2020 12:16:03 GMT -5
Here’s another peeve about both 2015 and 1999.
Great Rumbles told stories that you could see the ramifications on afterwards. The Roberts/Savage stuff happened before and had stuff later on, Hogan and Sid’s stuff, the Rock/Austin teases from 2001, McIntyre eliminating Brock this year or even had their own stories that were there to be satisfying. The Heath stuff from 2018 is fantastic because it bucked a trend WWE would do where they’d kill a guy and he wouldn’t come back except not only did he come back, he got an elimination in one of the Top 3 pops of the night for sure.
Yeah, 1999 told the story of Austin/Vince and Rock got involved but...what else came from it? Kane killed some dudes, Viscera got killed by the Ministry but...that’s it. It was a match to serve one story and if you have 28 other nobodies involved, that doesn’t make it compelling at all. Why should you care about anyone else or anything that happens afterwards?
And 2015...Christ, I still think that’s the most mean spirited Rumble ever booked. They took everyone that people loved and killed them to build one guy and they couldn’t even properly build that one guy. It was just the ultimate middle finger.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 30, 2020 12:19:10 GMT -5
I'd argue 2015 was worse. The match revolved solely around Roman Reigns(someone who nobody wanted to win), and those who the fans did want(Daniel Bryan, Dean Ambrose, Dolph Ziggler) got eliminated in quick fashion. The 99 Rumble was bad, no doubt about it, but the 2015 came off as a deliberate F-U for daring to get behind anyone who wasn't a company favorite. 2015's Rumble sucked tremendously. The apex of WWE's "f*** you" booking at its worst.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Dec 30, 2020 12:32:04 GMT -5
Which Rumble had all the fan favourites tossed out with ease by Kane and Show? And put Mysterio in an impossible position by having him be number 30 knowing the fans in this Rumble expected it to by Bryan?
Well that one sucked badly.
Though in fairness from 2015 onwards none of the Rumbles I have watched have been too memorable.
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Post by eJm on Dec 30, 2020 12:42:52 GMT -5
Which Rumble had all the fan favourites tossed out with ease by Kane and Show? And put Mysterio in an impossible position by having him be number 30 knowing the fans in this Rumble expected it to by Bryan? Well that one sucked badly. Though in fairness from 2015 onwards none of the Rumbles I have watched have been too memorable. 2015 for your first question and 2014 (a not bad Rumble at all to be quite frank) for your second.
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Post by protuberance on Dec 30, 2020 15:20:15 GMT -5
I can only speak to 1989 to 2003, and the more recent Rumbles I've seen use a format that I hate where it's based around entrances and little pre-scripted spots...
1999 was bad, but I'd actually grade it higher than 1995 and 1997.
1995 was messy with the fast intervals and they even kinda botched the end, where Bulldog clearly sees Shawn hanging on before stupidly celebrating prematurely.
1997 was crappy all around, with a bunch of bad gimmicks, unknown luchadores, terrible execution on lots of spots, a long drawn out segment toward the end. The ending is cool, though. I'll give it that.
1999 seems interesting on paper. I don't mind the general idea of Austin returning in an ambulance and getting eliminated by Vince's shenanigans. But the execution is bad with little botches all over the place, the crowd falls asleep from like #4 to #24, and Austin looks like a dope going after Rock instead of just throwing Vince out. I think you could have kept the general story, but the match structure itself needed an entire re-do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 15:35:50 GMT -5
I can only speak to 1989 to 2003, and the more recent Rumbles I've seen use a format that I hate where it's based around entrances and little pre-scripted spots... 1999 was bad, but I'd actually grade it higher than 1995 and 1997. 1995 was messy with the fast intervals and they even kinda botched the end, where Bulldog clearly sees Shawn hanging on before stupidly celebrating prematurely. 1997 was crappy all around, with a bunch of bad gimmicks, unknown luchadores, terrible execution on lots of spots, a long drawn out segment toward the end. The ending is cool, though. I'll give it that. 1999 seems interesting on paper. I don't mind the general idea of Austin returning in an ambulance and getting eliminated by Vince's shenanigans. But the execution is bad with little botches all over the place, the crowd falls asleep from like #4 to #24, and Austin looks like a dope going after Rock instead of just throwing Vince out. I think you could have kept the general story, but the match structure itself needed an entire re-do.
Something I need to give the 1997 Rumble at least - Austin is amazing in that match.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 30, 2020 15:41:50 GMT -5
2. I was okay with the empty ring because, realistically, why wouldn't there be an empty ring sometimes. Drew Carey came to an empty ring and...ok, bad example. That's actually not true. The Hardys were fighting each other when Drew Carey entered, and they went out at the same time as Drew got to the ring. Not quite the same thing as the ring having literally nobody in it multiple times.
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Post by eJm on Dec 30, 2020 15:50:31 GMT -5
2. I was okay with the empty ring because, realistically, why wouldn't there be an empty ring sometimes. Drew Carey came to an empty ring and...ok, bad example. That's actually not true. The Hardys were fighting each other when Drew Carey entered, and they went out at the same time as Drew got to the ring. Not quite the same thing as the ring having literally nobody in it multiple times. Take 2018. Baron Corbin gets eliminated, kills everyone in his anger and leaves. The key difference being a) everyone was still in the match and b) it was used to set up someone coming in (Elias) the same way 2001 did (Kane). Things still kept moving along in some way towards the next arc of the match. “Big Bossman is waiting for the next person to come in” and then “Christian is waiting for the next person to come in” are not the same things.
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Post by The Zombie Mod The on Dec 30, 2020 15:54:14 GMT -5
what was the year Kane & Big show eliminated a lot people? I'd say that was the worst (I'll always defend it as a good idea on paper, it was the execution that wasn't great.)
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Post by Manute Bol on Dec 30, 2020 16:22:54 GMT -5
I think people say 95 is the worst only because it’s been repeated so often on the Internet and they’ve been conditioned to believe it. Sure the talent pool is limited, but it’s not a bad match at all. There’s no way it’s even close to the worst Rumble match. In fact the 96 Rumble the following year is significantly worse.
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Post by wildojinx on Dec 30, 2020 16:31:31 GMT -5
93 is no picnic either, mainly due to the extended beatdown of Taker by Giant Gonzales, it just keeps going and going, and once it's done, most of the top tier talent has already been eliminated, so it's mainly tag wrestlers, guys on their way out, and that youngster Carlos Colon.
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Post by CeilingFan on Dec 30, 2020 16:35:13 GMT -5
93 is no picnic either, mainly due to the extended beatdown of Taker by Giant Gonzales, it just keeps going and going, and once it's done, most of the top tier talent has already been eliminated, so it's mainly tag wrestlers, guys on their way out, and that youngster Carlos Colon. When Yokozuna entered at #27, that's when the match got interesting again.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 30, 2020 16:40:43 GMT -5
A lot of these were absolute dogshit tbh.
I'm throwing 2020 out there just because it hasn't been brought up yet, and like 12 guys got defined downward by Lesnar throwing them out in 30 seconds each, including Kofi and Big E at the same time.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Dec 30, 2020 16:58:59 GMT -5
Last year was the worst. That Lesnar crap pissed me off.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball☝🏻 on Dec 30, 2020 18:19:02 GMT -5
Love the 99 Rumble. It told it’s story and changed things up a little. The Rumble is the most popular match and it’s mostly shit. It’s just a parade of guys coming out. Even 92, the one everyone says is the best, people only talk about Heenan’s commentary and Hogan being a poor sport. I think that’s telling. I disagree about the 92 Rumble. There were many highlights : The performance of Shawn Michaels. Flair's reaction to Piper's entrance. Savage going wild on Jake the Snake. Hogan eliminating both Undertaker and Berzerker within seconds of each other. I didn’t mean to imply there were no good moments they’re clearly were but as far as spots in the match itself, it’s mainly people talking about Hogan and Sid.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Dec 30, 2020 19:54:29 GMT -5
I’d say it was
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