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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 29, 2020 20:06:31 GMT -5
Keep in mind that the Fiend is targeting Orton for his past sins, so it’s not like Randy is some angel.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Dec 29, 2020 20:20:43 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure this is them trying to turn Fiend face. Pretty much along the lines of how they eventually pulled off having Undertaker turn face the first time against Jake Roberts: have him conflict with someone even more psychopathic than him.
I’m personally fine with it. I unironically like the Fiend gimmick. *shrug*
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Post by BatPunk on Dec 29, 2020 20:23:55 GMT -5
The Fiend has gotten into Freddy Krueger territory, where he’s still an absolute monster, but after a few stories, we’re on his side now and we kind of want him to take out some low level characters.
Orton is Michael Myers. Just f***ing terrifying at this point.
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Post by SirLucas on Dec 29, 2020 20:28:54 GMT -5
Orton lit one,possibly 2 people on fire. He's the heel. Let's not do this Yes, but lighting someone on fire was within the rules of the match. And I wouldn't say it's cut and dry that Alexa is a babyface. 1. She turned against her best friend Nikki Cross and brutalized her in the ring. 2. She tried to poison Rambling Rabbit. 3. She splattered Friendship Frog.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 29, 2020 20:59:37 GMT -5
Orton lit one,possibly 2 people on fire. He's the heel. Let's not do this The Fiend did try to murder Randy with a pickaxe to be fair.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 29, 2020 21:40:32 GMT -5
The Fiend is the heel to me any time the bell rings. Always hated Randy so he is the villain automatically. Damn, the duality of man.
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Post by Starshine on Dec 29, 2020 21:45:22 GMT -5
The creepy, magic clown who wants to f*** a hypnotised Alexa Bliss while she's dressed like an 8 year old is clearly the babyface, duh.
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Post by tenshi on Dec 29, 2020 22:00:35 GMT -5
One is a demonic clown who has tortured and traumatized those he targets, changing their behavior while also acting like what younglings nowadays call a "simp" towards a girl he likes, brainwashing her so she could be by his side after using her as bait to drown someone in a swamp. The other one is a sociopathic bastard who engaged in violent pseudo-homosexual conduct after his friend of years came back, telling him that he loved him more than his wife before trying to cripple him as a way to keep him at home with his family. What's upon us is a battle without honor, humanity or pants where the one to prevail is truly the lesser of two evils and would terrorize the rest of the Raw roster however he sees fit without the other standing in his way.
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Post by bob on Dec 29, 2020 22:12:38 GMT -5
The Fiend was literally let on fire by Orton
Orton is the heel
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Dec 29, 2020 22:19:39 GMT -5
There are tons of beloved babyfaces who did deplorable shit either while a heel or even during their actual babyface run. It's not as much of a stretch as you think for Bray to be considered the face here.
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Post by schma on Dec 29, 2020 22:22:57 GMT -5
The Fiend is the heel by virtue of being the person who continuously picks the fight. Orton isn't going after him. The Fiend and Alexa keep asking Orton to do crazy evil shit. He's not a bad guy for doing it. I would argue that doing crazy evil shit *does* make you a bad guy, regardless of whether someone asked you to do it.
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Post by thehottag on Dec 30, 2020 3:14:21 GMT -5
I'm almost certain that the sociopathic, brainwashing killer clown, who is literally called THE FIEND, is the babyface here.
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Post by SirLucas on Dec 31, 2020 16:35:11 GMT -5
The Fiend was literally let on fire by Orton Orton is the heel Yet, but in storyline Orton lit the Fiend on fire because he is an unstoppable evil monster whose alter ego Bray Wyatt has been terrorizing Orton for years. I am going to play devil's advocate and say we can't just automatically assume that the Fiend is face because he got burned. We have to consider what the motive was for him to get burned. For example, in Halloween II, Dr. Loomis lights Michael Myers on fire, yet Loomis is the babyface and Myers is the heel. By the way, I am really enjoying the moral ambiguity of this Orton / Fiend storyline to where the lines are blurred between good and evil. Case and point is we are having discussion or debate based on our own interpretations. I hope WWE doesn't jinx this angle.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 31, 2020 23:45:16 GMT -5
The Fiend has pretty much been presented as a face since the Braun feud ended... as strange as it is... considering you know the Kidnapping and brainwashing Alexa... and being a nightmare murder clown...
but here we are.
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