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Post by VRM: LET'S GO BLUESHIRTS!! on Dec 12, 2021 10:56:05 GMT -5
Mercedes have lodged a protest, so this won’t be over this year. 2 separate protests apparently: Article 48.8 - "Max passed us under the safety car before the line." Article 48.12 - "What was that crap with only allowing the 5 cars between Lewis and Max to overtake?"
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 12, 2021 10:58:58 GMT -5
Mercedes have lodged a protest, so this won’t be over this year. 2 separate protests apparently: Article 48.8 - "Max passed us under the safety car before the line." Article 48.12 - "What was that crap with only allowing the 5 cars between Lewis and Max to overtake?" Well, the first one is easy, Max had nowhere to go because Lewis backed the entire pack up on a corner heavy sector.
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Post by SmashTV on Dec 12, 2021 11:12:27 GMT -5
What an end - potentially - to an amazing season. Both drivers deserved to win, and I thought Lewis would do it. However, I wanted Max to do it, so I’m a happy Smash right now.
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Post by cornettesracket on Dec 12, 2021 11:42:04 GMT -5
Mercedes have brought a barrister into the meeting which is not what anybody want.
Just a very messy last two races. Also George Russell getting into totos good books with a tweet. He knows which side his bread is buttered anyway.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 12, 2021 12:21:32 GMT -5
Mercedes have brought a barrister into the meeting which is not what anybody want. Just a very messy last two races. Also George Russell getting into totos good books with a tweet. He knows which side his bread is buttered anyway. ughhh. If they think they're winning this title in a court room they can go away.
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Post by VRM: LET'S GO BLUESHIRTS!! on Dec 12, 2021 13:09:11 GMT -5
According to Autosport, team reps of both Mercedes and Red Bull have just left the stewards' hearing.
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Post by VRM: LET'S GO BLUESHIRTS!! on Dec 12, 2021 13:20:08 GMT -5
Per Chris Medland on twitter:
"DECISION: Protest dismissed redarding overtaking behind the Safety Car." Looking to confirm....
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 12, 2021 13:21:26 GMT -5
We need a charity boxing match between Christian Horner and Toto Wolff. Just have to decide how many boxes we'll need for the pieces left of Christian to send to Geri. That was incredible, bookended by questionable decisions, can't wait to see the next series of Drive to Survive if this is the stuff we know about.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 12, 2021 13:25:06 GMT -5
Per Chris Medland on twitter: "DECISION: Protest dismissed redarding overtaking behind the Safety Car." Looking to confirm.... BBC are reporting it too.
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Post by VRM: LET'S GO BLUESHIRTS!! on Dec 12, 2021 13:26:23 GMT -5
Seen pictures of the Stewards decision, but FIA haven't posted it officially anywhere yet. Still looking, but it appears that the "Max overtook us on the safety car" protest was dismissed. No word on the other protest yet.
Per Autosport on the stewards ruling: "The Stewards determine that although Car 33 did at one stage, for a very short period of time, move slightly in front of Car 44, at a time when both cars where accelerating and braking, it moved back behind Car 44 and it was not in front when the Safety Car period ended"
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 12, 2021 13:39:14 GMT -5
Now this makes things REAL awkward (if they weren’t already), because now anything that goes in Mercedes’s favour here would be because of something done by race control and Verstappen would be punished having not actually done anything wrong.
Two things… 1. Masi is damned if he did, damned if he didn’t. He enforces that lucky dog rule to the letter (all cars to pass, race restarts next lap), race is over under safety car rules, Hamilton is champion in a damp squib finish and people would be up in arms that they never gave Verstappen a shot to win it under green. He hasn’t, so here we are
2. They gotta stop this thing of the team managers having a direct line to race control, I know it’s been great theatre since they’ve started airing them, but it’s getting to the point to where all they do is piss and moan. This guy Masi is essentially the referee, right? No other sport do you have coaches or managers having a direct line to referees like this for them to use to complain or try to sway decisions in their favour. And those sports don’t have people flying around in 300km/h rocketships on wheels, you kinda need the referee to be concentrating on that
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Dec 12, 2021 13:50:14 GMT -5
simple RACE CONTROL ****** UP by not allowing the FULL SAFETY CAR LAP to take place
FOR THEIR OWN MEANS!!!
they are the ones that messed up and it will COST one side or the other
but what a race, the most nervous i've ever been EVER watching one!
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 12, 2021 13:56:57 GMT -5
Now this makes things REAL awkward (if they weren’t already), because now anything that goes in Mercedes’s favour here would be because of something done by race control and Verstappen would be punished having not actually done anything wrong. Two things… 1. Masi is damned if he did, damned if he didn’t. He enforces that lucky dog rule to the letter (all cars to pass, race restarts next lap), race is over under safety car rules, Hamilton is champion in a damp squib finish and people would be up in arms that they never gave Verstappen a shot to win it under green. He hasn’t, so here we are 2. They gotta stop this thing of the team managers having a direct line to race control, I know it’s been great theatre since they’ve started airing them, but it’s getting to the point to where all they do is piss and moan. This guy Masi is essentially the referee, right? No other sport do you have coaches or managers having a direct line to referees like this for them to use to complain or try to sway decisions in their favour. And those sports don’t have people flying around in 300km/h rocketships on wheels, you kinda need the referee to be concentrating on that All the race highlights have that clip of Toto burned in going "nooooo noooo Michael this isn't right!" on the last lap. Merc won 7 doubles in a row and the moment they lose one Toto sounds like an actual crybaby. Even Horner sounded less upset when Lewis almost killed Max at Silverstone. (IMO, Lewis getting 25 points there? THAT wasn't right)
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Dec 12, 2021 14:00:06 GMT -5
there was a whole load of things happening in that race that COULD lead to questions ...
the failure of verstappen to match hamiltons pace the slippage crash of latifi, and the STUPIDITY of red bull "thanking" latifi for the crash ... NOT FOR crashing mind ... the "retirement" of perez the body language on the podium
just things that didn't sit well for myself
now i could not care which side, you MESS with the rules for some altruistic reason ... YOU ARE IN TROUBLE!
if the rules on safety car is followed, the race would have finished behind the safety car
but jeeeezzzzuuuussss christ the screaming i was making on that last lap, my hands holding my head as verstappen past hamilton, who really should have been in the pits to change those tyres ... can't fault the dutchmans vigour in wanting to win!
it was NOT his fault
neither he or hamilton deserve to be embroiled in this at all
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Dec 12, 2021 14:03:05 GMT -5
and it's done no full safety car lap race control should be ashamed of themselves
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 12, 2021 14:04:03 GMT -5
I mean, this stuff has happened before, goodness knows how many times stuff that Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher did ended up with protests and appeals and courtroom drama. The only difference here is that I’m not seeing or hearing any of that as a 30-second sound bite on a year-end review video or a blurb in a book, this is the first time I can remember going through this stuff in real time.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 12, 2021 14:06:27 GMT -5
and it's done no full safety car lap race control should be ashamed of themselves Even if it’s done, it won’t be done. Whoever loses will probably appeal to the FIA itself, and then the Court Of Arbitration For Sport. This will drag into 2022 for sure.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 12, 2021 14:10:06 GMT -5
Protests dismissed, and STILL 2021 Formula 1 World Champion…
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Dec 12, 2021 14:16:48 GMT -5
oh yeah forgot about Giovinazzi parking of his car WAY too far past the corner, bringing up the virtual safety car too
also hamilton should have given more time back for being forced off by verstappen at the beginning ... which WAS a forcing off as he came in far too shallow into the hairpin
and oh how ironic that hamilton didn't bloody defend the racing line at the end, max was defending like a CHAMPION on that last last
quite quite unbelievable end
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Dec 12, 2021 14:42:45 GMT -5
mercedes goes to the court of appeal just the overall time required and at the very end ... WHICH IS NOT A DEFINITE RULE ... that everyone want's to have a proper racing finish to A race, not a specific race irrelevant of situation or consequences it would have taken at least two laps for ALL the cars to be back in their racing positions AFTER latifis car is cleared, still behind the safety car, and that would have been the race result just so unfortunate that extreme time constraints given to clear the track, remove the safety car and finish the race properly ... michael masi has to consider his situation here anything else as of now WELL DONE MAX VERSTAPPEN FORMULA ONE CHAMPION 2021!
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